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So last night i go out with a mutual friend to drink. I just got a new job so i wanted to party and my friend just got dumped by her bf so she wanted to drink. I end up making out with her all night and almost took her home until our other girlfriend c0ckblocked me. Anyways we get to talking today and i tell her we're going to dinner because i promised her, and i always keep my promises. She agree's but then basically tells me she doesn't want me to have the wrong perception and she's not looking for anything more than what it is. I honestly don't care but i figured she just got dumped before v-day i thought she might want someone to make her feel special.

Am i wrong. I was talking to her today and she def wants to fvck. She even said we didn't have to get dinner. I'm confused because it's v-day, i figured i had to woo her a bit to get the booty but maybe not?
 

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AAAgent said:
she doesn't want me to have the wrong perception and she's not looking for anything more than what it is.
Typical anti-slut defense. She probably regrets how fast she let herself hook up with you. Id pursue it, as I normally would.....shes definitely interested. It doesnt matter what you do for V-Day, just have it end back at your place for some "drinks".....and bang it out.
 

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TheException said:
Typical anti-slut defense. She probably regrets how fast she let herself hook up with you. Id pursue it, as I normally would.....shes definitely interested. It doesnt matter what you do for V-Day, just have it end back at your place for some "drinks".....and bang it out.
Yeah i guess.

She definitely wants to check out my place and fvck and is kind of obvious about it and it doesn't sound like she wants a relationship but i figured better to play it safe than sorry.
 

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The "I don't want a relationship" thing I believe is a test. I might be wrong, but I think it is. It's sometimes a rejection, but in the context of someone you're hooking up with, I think it's a test to see how much you care. If you say you don't care and see other people, you'll probably pass. Don't get jealous, don't ever, ever ask her about other guys. That's if you care about LTR and this is just my opinion.

You don't need to woo girls who just want to ****. Just go one of your houses with alcohol and drink/chat/****. Easy.
 

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bradd80 said:
She's making excuses for her (normal) need to get fvcked for valentine's day. She wouldn't be making these excuses if it weren't for your mutual friends.

This is what you need to do:

1. isolate her from any possible interference/attempted c0ckblocking from her other friends

2. when she says "oh last time was a mistake" and "oh I can't believe we almost did it" and "I don't want it to go that far with you again" just ignore such silliness. Don't agree with her (thereby reinforcing the thought in her head) nor should you disagree with her (thereby building in her a natural resistance to your will). Just kind of nod your head and pretend to be understanding.

3. Take her out to dinner, and be romantic though not over the top. Talk to her like a boyfriend and sweet talk her, without coming across as too strong.

4. Have some drinks. In my experience, whenever you're trying to fvck a chick who has a bf/husband or just broke up with her bf/husband or is a hot friend in a circle of your friends, it always helps that they're a little tipsy on alcohol because the drinking (a) loosens their inhibitions and (b) gives them an excuse in their minds for having fvcked you.

5. after drinking, suggest you go back to your place. What worked for me the other night was I told my date I had old x-files episodes at home (during conversation, she told me she was into the x-files) and she happily came home with me. Of course, I had none of these episodes at my house but that hardly mattered as her panties flew off anyway when we got back to my place.
She definitely isn't saying "last time was a mistake" and we already planned to come back to my place hahaha. She's the one who brought it up and was okay with it.

She literally seems like she just wants to fvck but we shall see. Will post an update when i get a chance.
 

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IndeedSir said:
The "I don't want a relationship" thing I believe is a test. I might be wrong, but I think it is. It's sometimes a rejection, but in the context of someone you're hooking up with, I think it's a test to see how much you care. If you say you don't care and see other people, you'll probably pass. Don't get jealous, don't ever, ever ask her about other guys. That's if you care about LTR and this is just my opinion.

You don't need to woo girls who just want to ****. Just go one of your houses with alcohol and drink/chat/****. Easy.
Bravo Sir. "you must spread rep....."


AAAgent said:
I was talking to her today and she def wants to fvck. She even said we didn't have to get dinner. I'm confused because it's v-day, i figured i had to woo her a bit to get the booty but maybe not?
AAAgent said:
She literally seems like she just wants to fvck but we shall see. Will post an update when i get a chance.
So she's basically telling you she wants to be fvck buddies, and you're trying to figure out what your next step is?

Well, the last thing you should do is take her out to dinner on V-Day. :kick:

Trying to play it safe, by treating her like a lady? Is that what she wants? Or does she want to keep it simple and just fvck?
Why are you trying to change the course of the relationship by treating her like you want an LTR? Are you trying to get to know her? Don't you know her already? Keep it simple.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=212354 (check out Lesson 8)
Edit: Here, this is easier.

Peaks&Valleys said:
FB of mine, I've talked about her in a few previous threads, texts me on a weekday night, "what are you doing?" This is translation for "I have some free time, do you want to have sex." I was actually planning on going out to have a beer by myself. I had been home all day (work from home) and I just wanted to get out, and some game was on. So I told her I was getting a beer, and said: "why don't you join me." She replies: "how about you text me when you get back home." I think, $hit, all we do is bang, she'll like this, so I say: "C'mon, come get a drink." So she says: "Okay". She meets me, we have a beer, I pay, we have a good convo, a few laughs, I learn some new things about her. As we're leaving, I'm getting this weird vibe from her...she seems to read my thoughts and says: "I'm just going to go home." She said it just like she was saying she was going to the store. But I knew what was happening, I could feel it, but I didn't know why..... She was a chick I had had a ONS with at my place, I had never been to her place. Every time, after that ONS, she had continued to come over to my place, we would fvck, then she would leave. That was it. No pillow talk, no staying over. She just wanted me to fvck her. And, she seemed completely content doing just that.

Our roles were defined. She had other guys for the other stuff. By having her come meet me for a beer and, get to know her more, talk about our lives, I threw a wrench in the whole FB dynamic. What I thought was something that could only strengthen the FB relationship, actually brought it to it's demise. She had been coming over 1 to 2 nights a week for a couple months, but after the bar "incident" it all stopped....just like that. The late night booty texts from her, the random calls when she was getting off work....gone. I did manage to rekindle it a few months later, somewhat, but it hasn't been the same since. It's a FB relationship that's now tied together with bubble gum and band-aids. I finally ended up going NC with her, and she's been responding well to it So we'll see.

Side note on this one: Why don't I just spin plates? Well, I try, BUT this one.....strong HB8....and fvcks like a pornstar. In and out. Why wouldn't I try to keep that going?

^^^So this story here combined with this lesson, were the inspirations for this thread: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=212292

After I figured out how I crashed and burned that good thing I had going, I started looking at past FB relationships. And they all seemed to be the same type of method or formula, even the ones that would later say they wanted something more. It was cut and dry, everything was virtually about sex, no real games, no fvcking around, just fvcking. And the chicks were all happy!!! Sometimes she would try to change the dynamic, sometimes I would, but always, when that happened.....it just ended all together.

All of this^^^I'm sure has been said in one way or anther in these threads. With a few of these guys, this is basically their mindset. And this is basically how they end up treating most of their relationships with women. I, however, didn't grasp this concept fully for whatever reason. I think it's because I like being in LTR's, or having plates to do stuff with, other than fvcking. I like going to the beach with chicks, having BBQ's, going out for drinks, watching movies and $hit with them. So, when I get a quality FB(HB8 and up) I seem to fvck things up when I try to turn an already purely sexual relationship into something more than it is. And half the time I thought I was doing the chick a favor, and doing what she wanted , you know, quality fvck buddy time. I kind of understood what was going on, why it was going south, but not fully, it was one of those concepts that had been floating around, just waiting to be fully realized.
And in the comments section:
I think what it boils down to, is the simplicity of it. Too much over thinking ends up going into it.........one party ends up meddling with a perfectly good thing
 
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Peaks&Valleys said:
So she's basically telling you she wants to be fvck buddies, and you're trying to figure out what your next step is?

Well, the last thing you should do is take her out to dinner on V-Day. :kick:

Trying to play it safe, by treating her like a lady? Is that what she wants? Or does she want to keep it simple and just fvck?
Why are you trying to change the course of the relationship by treating her like you want an LTR? Are you trying to get to know her? Don't you know her already? Keep it simple.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=212354 (check out Lesson 8)

In the comment section:
Well the previous night we were both drunk and i had her had on my d1ck basically so that's understandable if she wants to fvck then but we're sober the next day, talking normally. I'm gaming her and then get myself into this whole dinner scenario....

chat convo is below:


me: i was having a good time watching the scrubbing thing
i forget the name
are you free friday?
Sent at 2:38 PM on Tuesday
HB: it's called curling
what's friday?
i wish i had tv
then i could just watch at home
i really enjoy the olympics actually haha
me: yeah i like it too
Sent at 2:46 PM on Tuesday
me: I promised i'd take you to dinner so i wanted to know if you're free
Sent at 2:47 PM on Tuesday
HB: lol
why do you need to take me to dinner?
Sent at 2:49 PM on Tuesday
HB: because i keep my promises
or atleast try my best to
HB: haha why did you promise me dinner?
Sent at 2:50 PM on Tuesday
me: because i wanted to hang out with you
Sent at 2:54 PM on Tuesday
HB: haha fair enough
Sent at 2:57 PM on Tuesday
me: let me know what you think about dinner so i can start planning
Sent at 3:01 PM on Tuesday
HB: on friday?
it's valentines day
haahha
Sent at 3:07 PM on Tuesday
me: well we still need to eat, v-day or not. I'd rather eat with someone I can get to know better
if it makes it easier it can be casual
Sent at 3:12 PM on Tuesday
HB: haha
why
did you want to take me somewhere fancy?
like la bernadin?
lol
Sent at 3:18 PM on Tuesday
me: i think i'd go home hungry after that dinner
not sure yet but i want to take you somewhere nice
HB: why?
haha
you don't owe me anything
me: promise is a promise
HB: did we make some sort of bet or something last night?
that i'm unaware of?
haah
i just don't understand why you made such a promise
lol
me: im pretty stubborn
and i knew i wanted to see you again
so i promised i'd take you out to dinner
Sent at 3:22 PM on Tuesday
HB: haha
Sent at 3:24 PM on Tuesday
me: i'm hoping you'll say yes
otherwise i'll be a liar and that would suck
HB: omg this girl we just interviewed just blew it
Sent at 3:26 PM on Tuesday
HB: you know the thing is
i don't mind hanging out
Sent at 3:29 PM on Tuesday
HB: it's just i'm not really looking for anything more than what it is
if that makes sense..
Sent at 3:32 PM on Tuesday
me: ok
well what type of food do you like?
HB: Haha
You're making me laugh
me: good
HB: Just want to make sure we are on similar pages
I don't even know what I'm doibt
Doing
me: you are clear
and you are going to dinner with me
we're going to have a great time
that's all i can really say as i have to plan the rest
HB: LOL
Sent at 3:37 PM on Tuesday
me: do you like American, Italian, and Thai food?
Sent at 3:43 PM on Tuesday
HB: haha i'm fine with everything
but i know you're vegetarian
Sent at 4:20 PM on Tuesday
me: ok
so i'll see you 7pm
friday
time and place tbd
Sent at 4:50 PM on Tuesday
me: i'll call you and let you know
Sent at 4:51 PM on Tuesday
HB: haha,...
it's going to be hard to get a reservation at that time on that date
me: i'll figure something out
HB: you're very persistent haha

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I basically forced myself into the dinner boat and i think backing out of that would be weak. I need to eat anyway so we might as well eat and then bunny it up afterwards.
 

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Thanks for posting that, but here's some tough love: Think that was the hardest thing I ever read, I wanted to yell at you half way into it. Yes, you played that like a straight up beta. Also, when you were making her laugh, not a good sign, she was laughing at you, like you're a cute little puppy dog.

Why are you begging her to be able to take her out to dinner?? Why oh why are you doing that? She's begging you not to!!!

Did you read the link I posted? Read it, please. Then read the the link that's embed in lesson 8.

Seriously man, she's telling you she just wants to fvck. If you take her out to dinner, you're not going to fvck her. Either that or she's just going to flake.

Your response, do it now: forget dinner, we're hanging out at my place.
Her: all that dinner talk and you suddenly change your mind??
You: olympics are on, don't want to miss it
Her: blah blah (might throw in a $hit test just because)
You: doesn't matter, I'm staying in, you can join me if you want.
Her: fine, you talked me into it.
You: bring over some wine (or whatever)


Man up brotha.
 

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yeah you're right. I think i was paranoid since her friends have c0ckblocked me once already. I was taking her friend home last year after drinks to her place and i tried to follow-up a few times to hang out but she had a bf. She actually really wanted to go with me but her girlfriends kept asking me about the situation and ruined it. Plus her friend monday night clearly told me....."You can do whatever you want to her but you are not allowed to fvck her." I just ignored her.
 
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