Why "Whatever You Want" Keeps You Single

She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.

You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.

The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.

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V-day date... but girl has a b/f?

djapotheosis

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G'day fellow DJ's! I'm just your run-of-the-mill lurker with a few questions about a certain predicament I've found myself in. Before I get into the nitty-gritty though, it's probably best if I introduce myself.

I was told about these forums by a friend roughly 4-5 years ago, and visited almost religiously for about a 2 year period of time. I've read most of the articles and tips (and threads!) from that time, and have found myself (imho) progress from an AFC to a more self-confident, budding DJ! I've been more confident with the ladies since then, and as a result, found myself looking more to instinct than the "search" feature on these forums over the years :cool:

But after going through about two LTR's (8 mo's and a year, respectively), I've come to find that though my confidence is still in check, my game has taken a bit of a hit. Guilty as charged of violating the 3s-rule on numerous occasions, and digging myself into friend zone after friend zone by showing rather than being. And here I find myself...

I met this girl in Chem lecture one day, checking up on problem sets. Cute, amazing personality, about an 8 on my scale. I introduced myself, small-talked about the problem set, got her name and screenname (AIM) and figured I'd get her number another time (rusty, as you can see!). I waited a few days, then IM'd her, suggesting we work on an upcoming problem set that weekend. She agreed, and in our meeting, I worked some kino into the small-talk and set myself up with some decent C&F. Eventually, some other people in our class came over and we all brainstormed till we were satisfied with our solutions, and one of the guys offered her a ride back up to her dorm (all the frosh live up campus, I'm a soph down west of campus). I offered that she COULD take the ride, or she could take an exhilarating walk back with yours truly. Sure enough, she turned down the ride and we walked back to her dorm. I dropped her off at the door to her building, but I've never been too good with closers. Like an AFC, I piped up, "so how does this work? shake? pound? hug?" We did all 3, and I left, unsatisfied, but on the high that every guy gets spending an evening with a fun, attractive girl.

Cut to recent times (about a week later). I've done a couple of AFC'ish things. I've IM'd her first two or three times in four days, although she always responded. I've let a phone conversation or two draw out and die out with small talk, with her leaving first one of those times. I skipped a class to walk with her to a class that was in some remote location across campus, saying I considered it "an adventure." I've also found out via a college friendster-type dealie that she has a boyfriend.

Come to think of it... she hasn't made any real disclosures in the time we've talked. She's talked about her family a few times, but she's the kind of girl with a quick wit and adept sense of humor that can provoke a laugh with an unseen wink. And so the conversation always stays light. I brought up frustration with females (via an ex-girlfriend of about a month) once to provoke some medium-quality disclosure, she retorted "ahh fresh wounds". I assured her there was no baggage!

Tonight I visited the dining hall she works at and waited till she took her break (about 30 minutes), bored out of my skull (which she saw, unfortunately). When I saw her heading over peripherally, I decided to take a trip to get some ice cream and turn the tables on the waiting game for a bit. When I returned, I saw and overheard her talking to a friend about Chemistry. I kept my cool, sat down and ate my ice cream until her friend left and she inquired "hey, do you want to go sit with my friends?" I replied that I was almost done and that it made no sense to move since I'd be leaving soon. I also suggested that she could go over if she desired (guilt trippy? eh). She sat with me and we small-talked, as usual, and I brought up seeing a movie with her tomorrow (Eternal Sunshine..) She said she didn't know what she was doing tomorrow and she'd call me to let me know. Of course, the DJ in me couldn't have that! I immediately responded, "Alright, tomorrow at 9 it is then." And she smiled and agreed.

So the date's set up. I didn't realize it was V-Day tomorrow though! Now... she said she'd be coming from a dinner commitment, so I'm assuming she means with her boyfriend. With the lack of disclosures so far (like the fact that she HAS a boyfriend) and thus intimacy so far, I have a feeling my chances are slim of getting anywhere. But she confirmed the movie plans, and I added in a trip down to collegetown for some tea to provide opportunity for some disclosures and the like. My questions are: how should I proceed with the date (pretty much going out for tea and then coming back to my dorm for a movie), what should I make of the situation I'm in, and should I keep up hope or shout NEXT?

-DJ apotheosis (getting there... :cool: )
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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DeathDealer

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If she does indeed have a boyfriend you could be her comfort friend or pseudo-boyfriend , or you could be her next boyfriend.

Sometimes people hide the fact that they're seeing someone while going on a date or hanging out with someone for many reasons, some of them could be that they're looking to see if there's anything better or they want to rekindle an old flame (ex.)

If you have the time, go ahead. Kinda knowing that she has a boyfriend (possibly) is a downer psychologically - I'm betting that you would've not thought of all of this if you hadn't known but.. as you know the truth hurts and it is good to have people who know the ins-and-outs.
 

Mr. Mystery II

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First, if your bored...

Your sitting there, looking bored she comes over and says hi. Tell her, thank god you showed up, I'm bored out of my mind with this assignment or whatever. Let her know you enjoy her company, if she is funny she will call you a loser or something to which you can retort back with some other funny stuff. No need to pretend, ever. If you are mad, bored, whatever, don't hide to impress some girl.

Second. Make a move. You have come off as pretty confident so far, she is probably wondering what is taking you so long. If she is cute and as cool as you make her seem, even if you don't end up hooking up with her there is still a good chance of making a new friend out of her.

Mr. Mystery
 

sfalexi

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If she hasn't told you she has a boyfriend, pretend you don't know. Continue doing whatever you're doing as though she DOESNT have a boyfriend. If you would normally make a move, make a move.

If she really wants only friends, she'll stop you before it's too late. If she wants YOU, then you'll succeed.

Alexi
 

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Most likely doesn't have a boyfriend; she probably dates, and is always looking to upgrade, nothing wrong with that. Your problem is that you are over thinking and analyzing this. Dinner commitment can mean that she's letting another chump take her out.

Don't worry about the rest of her social life. Just keep moving forward, and worry about what she does when it comes to you. Like her not flaking and showing interest. Make sure you start moving this sarge forward.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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