Unpopular opinion: cold approach is a WASTE of time.

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Same evening drinks would be a good outcome of a daygame approach.

Also, I'm not PUA, so I'm not 'cold approaching'. Women in general consider me approachable and often come over for a chat. If I like them and they are available I meet them over drinks, but I'm quite selective with regards of doing kink/sex with them. From the indications they give me, most of them would be open to intimacy.

 

[YourGreatestFear]

Yes. The reason why I made @Jesse Pinkman leave the forum after he threw a tantrum at me . I kept criticizing his (seemingly) endless and not fruitful efforts to get his D wet due to cold approach.

Here's the thing:
-a man must build himself UP.
-Cold approaching IF YOU are successful at it,will cost you TONS of money, time and energy in multiple ways: first the venues where you chase(club, bar ,drinks clothes ect) secondly the actual dates...
- you are way WAY better off spending time learning skills which can give you LEVERAGE over time.
-its about power my friends. I've been with ap many women that I can safely say that they WON'T make you happy. The happiness comes when you obtain true power and abundance. Chasing P00SY will always put and leave you in a losing position.

Cold approach is a waste of time.

Wrong place to post this? On a niche forum where men look for shortcuts and formulas to get easy shortcuts to get women.

We are dumb enough to run thia rat race with women. All the while we have time on our side IF we practice self reservation.

Lol, lmao. Cold approach is when you see a girl and do what you want, follow your desire to meet her and **** her. Not making cold approaches when you can is you acting against your desires, how much "true power and abundance" is in it? How much power and abundance is in being a *****, buddy?
To reply to all of your points.
1. Building yourself up doesn't contradict cold approach at all.
2. Cold approach doesn't cost anything, wtf are you talking about. Approaching a girl in a grocery store doesn't cost you ****. Going on a date with her will only cost you whatever you buy yourself, which isn't a cost. And how poor you are to give a **** about this anyway? Not everyone is broke.
3. Cold approach doesn't require much time, meeting women is a HOBBY. I doubt that you use all your free time to learn useful skills, lol.
4. What the heck, why would anyone expect women to make him happy? Banging new women is just a pleasant pastime. It's like saying "having friends wouldn't make you happy". No ****, Sherlock. But NOT having any friends in your life sucks and can definitely make you unhappy.

Also, stop chasing p*ssy. You aren't chasing anyone, but giving them a chance to have a better life by being with you.

 

[Gamisch]

Lol, lmao. Cold approach is when you see a girl and do what you want, follow your desire to meet her and **** her. Not making cold approaches when you can is you acting against your desires, how much "true power and abundance" is in it? How much power and abundance is in being a *****, buddy?
To reply to all of your points.
1. Building yourself up doesn't contradict cold approach at all.
2. Cold approach doesn't cost anything, wtf are you talking about. Approaching a girl in a grocery store doesn't cost you ****. Going on a date with her will only cost you whatever you buy yourself, which isn't a cost. And how poor you are to give a **** about this anyway? Not everyone is broke.
3. Cold approach doesn't require much time, meeting women is a HOBBY. I doubt that you use all your free time to learn useful skills, lol.
4. What the heck, why would anyone expect women to make him happy? Banging new women is just a pleasant pastime. It's like saying "having friends wouldn't make you happy". No ****, Sherlock. But NOT having any friends in your life sucks and can definitely make you unhappy.

Also, stop chasing p*ssy. You aren't chasing anyone, but giving them a chance to have a better life by being with you.

You are 28. Perfectly fine to have to mindset now.

When you are entering 40 league , a notch count above 160 with kids to take care off you better find other things to do besides roaming the streets looking for women. And you better learn to control your desires. Or get new desires. And geuss what ,you only get 24 hours a day.

The interesting thing is that there are plenty of men who somehow understand this UNPOPULAR opinion. learn before you scream young buck.

 

[YourGreatestFear]

You are 28. Perfectly fine to have to mindset now.

When you are entering 40 league , a notch count above 160 with kids to take care off you better find other things to do besides roaming the streets looking for women.

The interesting thing is that there are plenty of men who somehow understand this UNPOPULAR opinion.

If you're 40, and you still didn't "build yourself up as a man", then you wasted your younger years and women or cold approach probably has little to do with it. You could've as well named your post "if you're a middle-aged guy who didn't achieve much in life, then you should have some higher priorities than getting laid", which I completely agree with, lol.

 

[Gamisch]

If you're 40, and you still didn't "build yourself up as a man", then you wasted your younger years and women or cold approach probably has little to do with it. You could've as well named your post "if you're a middle-aged guy who didn't achieve much in life, then you should have some higher priorities than getting laid", which I completely agree with, lol.

Depends

If you are 26 and you impregnate a woman for the first time( due to cold approach) then yeah ,something gotta give. Shorty cant eat no books. While your paychecks are spent on ****tails, mine were spent on diapers.


Typical female mindset, expecting a man to "retire at 40". While every man who knows a thing or two about life knows that 40 is just the beginning for a man.

Besides that, everyone has his own path in life. And its not about achieving much in life:the more you achieve the less you likely you will be roaming the streets looking for women.

The build of a man never ever stops. It can even become a better build once a man experienced the same game over and over and over again and he starts to realize that he wants more out of life.

 

[Gamisch]

My point still stands:

Let me rephrase my standpoint: after 35 its pointless to engage within cold approach as the manosphere means it(that means roaming the streets endlessly chasing women.) Ofcourse you'll try to cease an opportunity when it arrives ( e.g clear ioi or just a frisky mood/ a horny day / party with women ect. But iirc ,you're a "black belt" regarding gettkg women so tou have a bag full of tricks.


Its no different from playing videogames all day long: a useless endeavor. After 35 you gotta have a100+ notch count and move the F on , ans try to become a millionaire somehow somewat

I made a thread earlier with this video from coach EO who explains it better:

Understanding The ART OF COLD APPROACH | The Everett Overton Show

Welcome to the Everett Overton Show. In episode 13, EO discusses the topic: understanding the art of cold approach.Purchase your Limited Edition Everett Over...

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[SW15]

Let me rephrase my standpoint: after 35 its pointless to engage within cold approach as the manosphere means it(that means roaming the streets endlessly chasing women.) Ofcourse you'll try to cease an opportunity when it arrives ( e.g clear ioi or just a frisky mood/ a horny day / party with women ect. But iirc ,you're a "black belt" regarding gettkg women so tou have a bag full of tricks.

Do you consider lingering around indoor retail venues (grocery store, mall, etc.) and looking for approach opportunities the same as roaming the streets? Where does approaching strangers at nightlife venues fall into this for men 35+? Approaching at a nightlife venue is still a major effort.

For some 35+ men, their only options are deciding between approaching strangers in-person, tech-based methods (swipe apps or DMs on Instagram), or trying to build a social circle from nothing. Those are all difficult options for any 35+ man.

 

[Gamisch]

Do you consider lingering around indoor retail venues (grocery store, mall, etc.) and looking for approach opportunities the same as roaming the streets? Where does approaching strangers at nightlife venues fall into this for men 35+? Approaching at a nightlife venue is still a major effort.

For some 35+ men, their only options are deciding between approaching strangers in-person, tech-based methods (swipe apps or DMs on Instagram), or trying to build a social circle from nothing. Those are all difficult options for any 35+ man.

Watch the video.

Imo its indeed the same thing. Bar /club game is dead, a man is better off focusing on other ways to increase his value in the eyes of women. After 35/40 (/45 in some severe cases ) a man must move on amd focus on other things.

If you're missing the boat of money/status maxxing after this age, you're doomed. Way too many men chase these dreams ofa high notch count like its a rolex: if you have it will just eat dust eventually. Focus on the right shyte.

The world is full of former Chad/Tyrone tier men who fell off and have nothing to show for. And believe me: life goes on andall tge past memories will be blurry at best. Even if you have a 1000 notch count. You'll want new(quality)punani eventually.

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To elaborate further; my pov is also cultural.

In my culture around 40 you can be a grandfather, by having a child at 20 who gets a child at 20 also.

Being a Caribbean man in the western hemisphere I've seen that there's a point where cold approaching becomes cringey. At the end we only get 24 hours a day. How you spend these is essential.

 

[Fruitbat]

I’ve been in sales ever since college, my accounts now are the top 4 in their industry. People think sales is about cold calling, thats for the entry level folks or those that never made a career in sales.

It’s about building relationships and being someone that people want to be around and know you. What you bring to the table both professionally and personally.

This applies to a dating, it’s not a numbers game at all. It’s how you let others perceive you and pick the opportunities you want to pursue

This is very true but I actually like a days cold calling to keep me sharp. I have a team which does most of that but for all the young ‘uns I make them do a good 4-5 days cold calling - with me, in a room, to show them A/ I’m not “above” cold calling and B/ it’s the absolute cornerstone skill of all salespeople.

Some of these lads don’t even need to cold call. They will inherit relationships, they don’t need to, but I make them do it.

this is B2B sales so it’s not like cold calling regular people, but cold Calling is such a heartbreaking, hardslog, it teaches you so much.

key thing I try to get over:

- What’s the worst that can happen? They can say “No” - oooooh! How terrible!

- generally they think “if I’m pushy they will never buy from us”. Fact is, if they aren’t buying currently, then so what? Nothing to lose.

 

[Chowda]

When I first started in sales, cold calling was what I did for 6 years. 60 calls a day, leads and people who used to own our software and fell off maintenance. Yes, it does teach you perseverance. However, you soon start to realize that your time is much better spent on other area to get to quota more efficiently.
I’ve mentored many BDR’s, many making 60k OTE. I had one on my team that made 40k one quarter just on commission so he made over 100k that year just supporting me. Company saw that really quick and changed the commission structure for them the very next quarter. It’s a thankless job, you soon get replaced for someone cheaper. Corporate America say hello.

I’ve been doing more enterprise sales the past 5+ years, focused on $M+ contracts so cold calling is a thing of the past, there’s more efficient ways to knock down quota than cold calling. Maybe I lost the art, but my time is much spent elsewhere. I do remember some guys telling me they won’t pick up and I asked him if he tries using his cell phone? He said oh! My cell is just for friends and family. Haha, I somewhat lost it and gave him a lecture on if he ever wanted to make it in sales he needed to be more creative. HR got involved telling me that his personal cell was for his own use. I asked them why not give him a $60 monthly allowance to reimburse his cellular plan to bring more revenue? They sat silent and just told me, we don’t do that. I just gave a smirk as they gave me the corporate America bullsh!t

I do miss being in the jungle that was the bullpen.
However, when you just do cold calls all day, you just see the trees from the forest, you miss out on the much bigger picture.

It’s the same as cold approaching, using the shotgun approach gives minimal returns on your time. Sales is about maximizing revenue, your commission. People buy from people, not what your company provides. Same with women, they see who you are initially then what you have to provide. If you lead with the product, you’ll fail most of the time, been there done that. You need to show your prospects why they should talk and get to know you above all else. That’s why I encourage everyone to take a sales gig at one point in their careers to understand the business, but more importantly, the aspects of human interaction dynamics

 

[Velasco]

It can seem like a waste of time if the only girls you been able to maintain beyond a one night stand, are girls that you don't really like that much (yea they not ugly 4-5s, but..would you really go around bragging about them?). But that only means you havent got lucky yet/fully maxxed out your looks.

I know for me personally, online dating apps would NEVER in a million years, landed me the girl I'm currently seeing, nor through social circle game as a non-rich, not-connected, mostly introverted guy (never gonna be the apex predator super social alpha male of any high status social circle any time soon). Cold approach was literally my only option to get this kind of girl. I just got lucky with being at the right place at the right time (while being lookmaxxed to death).

So if your someone who is also in that position, I'm afraid my only advice is that you just gotta stick with it. As frustrating as that advice may seem.