Undecided on vasectomy

[The Duke]

@The Duke, I know you mentioned getting a vasectomy. Perhaps you can settle a debate @AmsterdamAssassin was having with me.

When performing a vasectomy, is it true that the doctor attaches permanent clips to the ends of your snipped pipes?

There are a few different methods. Yes some use a clip/clamp/band, others cut and sew the ends shut. My doc cut the vas deferens, took a section out, then sewed the ends shut. By the time the cut heals, the thread dissolves.

Here's a link to one that has the clips.

Michigan Urological Clinic | Male Urology Services

Leading Michigan urologists focusing on the treatment and diagnosis of urogenital disorders, specializing in vasectomy and vasectomy reversal.

michiganurological.com

I bet I've fired a couple thousand rounds thru my pistola and I'm still shooting blanks with damn near every round fired directly into the bulls eye. If you don't want kids, I don't know why you wouldn't have one done. 15 minutes in the docs office and a weekend of keeping your feet elevated and you'll be good to go.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Many of us have told you stop using the term broad.

 

[GoodMan32]

There are a few different methods. Yes some use a clip/clamp/band, others cut and sew the ends shut. My doc cut the vas deferens, took a section out, then sewed the ends shut. By the time the cut heals, the thread dissolves.

Here's a link to one that has the clips.

Michigan Urological Clinic | Male Urology Services

Leading Michigan urologists focusing on the treatment and diagnosis of urogenital disorders, specializing in vasectomy and vasectomy reversal.

michiganurological.com

I bet I've fired a couple thousand rounds thru my pistola and I'm still shooting blanks with damn near every round fired directly into the bulls eye. If you don't want kids, I don't know why you wouldn't have one done. 15 minutes in the docs office and a weekend of keeping your feet elevated and you'll be good to go.

In that case, perhaps I will revisit my vasectomy idea (and go with the sewed shut method)

 

[GoodMan32]

Many of us have told you stop using the term broad.

And I've explained many times how I know better than to directly call a woman I'm pursuing a broad.

I simply find broad to be a funny term to use online.

 

[GoodMan32]

We didn't debate about that. I talked about how your fear of the anaesthesia fading during the procedure and how chances of pain during the procedure are minimal to non-existent as they make sure you're properly anaesthetised.

As for the clips, like @The Duke says, his are sewn. You don't have to go for clips if you prefer them sewing them shut. Unless health care in the USA changed a lot, I assume you still have a choice in that regard.

The thing is, like with everything you do, you are trying to find the negative parts of any solution for your problems so you don't have to take actions. This is what is referred to as 'emotional leech' behaviour. If you take action, your problems might go away, but then you'd have nothing to whine about. And if you don't get to whine, you're missing out on all the attention and validation those issues provide for you. It's a common issue for therapists, patients who don't want to get cured because their whole identity is wrapped up in their 'misery'. This is also a reason why you open so many threads here talking about all your issues. Every response, even the most negative scathing ones, give you a little dopamine rush. That's why you don't take action, it would deprive you of getting these little dopamine rushes.

Believe me, I'd love nothing more than to get a steady supply of cooch.

Your idea that I enjoy complaining about my lack of success is preposterous.

 

[GoodMan32]

Don't forget who you're talking to. I deal with mental cases on a daily basis.

It's not 'my idea' that you enjoy complaining about your lack of success. What you 'enjoy' (I'd call it 'crave') is attention and validation and you think you're getting it by exposing your issues on this forum.

You know what would really give me validation?

Having free sex more than once in the past 9 years.

 

[GoodMan32]

Then maybe you should stop talking and just take the huge amount of advice already given to you on this forum.
Get a vasectomy so you don't have to worry about getting woman pregnant and go out there with new confidence.

I will reassess the vasectomy idea after hearing there's a way to do it without clips.

I'm not optimistic the vasectomy will help much in terms of getting free sex, however.

Even without having a vasectomy, there are always 45+ broads. Yet I struggle to even get those. So I have my doubts of how helpful getting snipped (therefore gaining access to the 18-44 demographic) will be.

If I get snipped, it'd be so I'd have some "just in case" assurance in the unlikely event a fertile woman offered me free sex.

 

[The Duke]

You know what would really give me validation?

Having free sex more than once in the past 9 years.

And you are the only one standing in the way. I urge you to study @corrector if you can't recognize your own patterns that @AmsterdamAssassin pointed out which hold you back, perhaps it would help you understand and achieve your goals.

 

[GoodMan32]

And you are the only one standing in the way. I urge you to study @corrector if you can't recognize your own patterns that @AmsterdamAssassin pointed out which hold you back, perhaps it would help you understand and achieve your goals.

I've done all of the following, yet am terrified to approach a woman:

• Go to a college where I knew no one (in a state where I knew no one)
• 2 years after college, I moved to a place where I knew no one (with no job lined up)
• Gotten many chest waxes
• Got a full Brazilian wax once
• Got tattooed
• Visited places solo that I had never been before
• I even attempted to take my own life once 6 years ago (and nearly succeeded)

On the other hand, there are a lot of men who have no problem approaching a woman, yet would be afraid to do some/all of the things I just listed.

It's interesting how everyone's different (and sometimes seemingly contradictory) when it comes to what we are/aren't brave enough to do.

 

[eli77]

Hey can't you save your sperm and save it for a later date?

 

[GoodMan32]

Hey can't you save your sperm and save it for a later date?

It's possible to save sperm in a sperm bank, yeah.

 

[eli77]

It's possible to save sperm in a sperm bank, yeah.

Seems like a good idea for some men if not most.

 

[HaleyBaron]

No thanks. You lose something if you lose your ability to cause pregnancy. Even if it's reversible, it's not something I'd go through with, nor would I tell others to.

 

[GoodMan32]

No thanks. You lose something if you lose your ability to cause pregnancy. Even if it's reversible, it's not something I'd go through with, nor would I tell others to.

Even though, as I said, I'm undecided on whether to get snipped, I have no qualms about losing the ability to impregnate.

I don't want to pollute a woman's womb with my genes.

 

[GoodMan32]

I did it and it was the best decision I made. With society how it is today fathers have everything to lose, than to gain except for "MuH GeNeTiCs"

It is a relief knowing that no women will have a possible weapon to use against me (kids).

You'll see how fathers in this forum start DEERing why having kids is good.

If my genes were worthy of getting passed on, I could maybe see myself reproducing in a manner that would ensure no responsibility on my part.

 

[SW15]

You lose something if you lose your ability to cause pregnancy.

I think so too. Women enjoy the idea of being impregnated, even if it isn't a goal in the near term. The ability to impregnate/get pregnant is a part of the masculine/feminine dynamic.

In interactions where the goal is a longer term relationship, many women will drop men if they know the man has had a vasectomy. This may even happen when the woman is actively using birth control. She might want to have children in the future and she won't want to spend her time with a man who has a 0% chance of doing that for her.

In an interaction that is shorter term in nature, women will tend to care less about the vasectomy issue. Most men won't lose a casual sex type partner over a vasectomy.

I have marketed myself as "Open to Children" even though my actions haven't fully lined up with this. I have followed Iron Rule of Tomassi #5 (Always Use Protection) even before Rollo put forth Iron Rule #5. By saying that I am "Open to Children" It's a good way not to get eliminated over something that likely won't factor into the overall course of the interaction.

The way in which I claim that I am "Open to Children" is that I have not had a vasectomy. This is technically true.

 

[GoodMan32]

I think so too. Women enjoy the idea of being impregnated, even if it isn't a goal in the near term. The ability to impregnate/get pregnant is a part of the masculine/feminine dynamic.

In interactions where the goal is a longer term relationship, many women will drop men if they know the man has had a vasectomy. This may even happen when the woman is actively using birth control. She might want to have children in the future and she won't want to spend her time with a man who has a 0% chance of doing that for her.

In an interaction that is shorter term in nature, women will tend to care less about the vasectomy issue. Most men won't lose a casual sex type partner over a vasectomy.

I have marketed myself as "Open to Children" even though my actions haven't fully lined up with this. I have followed Iron Rule of Tomassi #5 (Always Use Protection) even before Rollo put forth Iron Rule #5. By saying that I am "Open to Children" It's a good way not to get eliminated over something that likely won't factor into the overall course of the interaction.

The way in which I claim that I am "Open to Children" is that I have not had a vasectomy. This is technically true.

Even if the "open to children" thing is true on a technicality (as you haven't had a vasectomy), you've mentioned you prefer 3-5 year relationships. Surely the fact you don't want kids will come up in the course of a 3-5 year relationship.

Something as major as not wanting kids would be impossible to hide for 3-5 years.

 

[SW15]

Even if the "open to children" thing is true on a technicality (as you haven't had a vasectomy), you've mentioned you prefer 3-5 year relationships. Surely the fact you don't want kids will come up in the course of a 3-5 year relationship.

Something as major as not wanting kids would be impossible to hide for 3-5 years.

It's possible to play the 'Open to Children' card for a very long time, especially if the woman in the interaction isn't prioritizing having children.

Take a look at the blog post below. 70% of relationships end within 12 months. I think that covers both the casual sex interactions (which usually burn out in less than 12 months) and exclusive monogamous relationships. It's possible that the child issue doesn't come up at all before the relationship fails, even if I am operating in a monogamous frame with a woman.

How Long Does The Average Relationship Last? - The Hive Law

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My position is 'Open to Children but not prioritizing it'. That seems to work well enough for me. My stance on children hasn't been the primary cause of breakups. The majority of the women I've had sex were using birth control. I have also had women tell me that they didn't want children when I stated what my position was. I never outright say "I don't want children". That position helps with attraction and seduction. I do not wish to shrink my dating pool and I don't have to do that.

It is true that I have promoted the idea that relationships have a shelf life of 3-5 years. I am open to staying beyond that 5 year point. I don't like the idea of staying too long in a relationship and experiencing the worst decay.

A lot of relationships that make it to 2 years fail between Year 2 and Year 5.

Relationships that go beyond 5 years are in a state of significant decay in a lot of cases.

 

[GoodMan32]

If they know, and if they want to have children, they may react that way.

However, I think that unless a woman outright states that she wants your babies, I don't see why you should tell a woman that you're shooting blanks.

My reasons for sex with my lovers is not to make babies, but to have sexual intimacy. I didn't have a vasectomy, but if I had, I wouldn't feel the need to tell my lovers. They know I already fathered two children, I'm not looking to make feet for baby shoes. I changed enough diapers.

I've never changed a baby's diaper (and never will)

 

[GoodMan32]

It's possible to play the 'Open to Children' card for a very long time, especially if the woman in the interaction isn't prioritizing having children.

Take a look at the blog post below. 70% of relationships end within 12 months. I think that covers both the casual sex interactions (which usually burn out in less than 12 months) and exclusive monogamous relationships. It's possible that the child issue doesn't come up at all before the relationship fails, even if I am operating in a monogamous frame with a woman.

How Long Does The Average Relationship Last? - The Hive Law

How long does the average relationship last? In this article, you'll lean about average relationship length by age, before marriage, and...

www.thehivelaw.com

My position is 'Open to Children but not prioritizing it'. That seems to work well enough for me. My stance on children hasn't been the primary cause of breakups. The majority of the women I've had sex were using birth control. I have also had women tell me that they didn't want children when I stated what my position was. I never outright say "I don't want children". That position helps with attraction and seduction. I do not wish to shrink my dating pool and I don't have to do that.

It is true that I have promoted the idea that relationships have a shelf life of 3-5 years. I am open to staying beyond that 5 year point. I don't like the idea of staying too long in a relationship and experiencing the worst decay.

A lot of relationships that make it to 2 years fail between Year 2 and Year 5.

Relationships that go beyond 5 years are in a state of significant decay in a lot of cases.

Thinking back, the topic of wanting kids came up in the 8 month relationship I had back when I was 21-22. I forget if I brought up the topic or what (I don't recall how exactly the topic came up).

Anyway, I admitted to her I never want kids. She wanted kids eventually.

Ultimately, the kid thing had nothing to do with the breakup.

I suppose one benefit of going for 45+ broads: It's a given that you aren't looking to reproduce with her.

One thing about autists is we have a hard time lying. "Open to children" would be a lie if said by me.

5+ year relationships can get stale, you're right. Especially 5+ year relationships where they only stay together for the kids.