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maybe she had a thing for her fvck buddy the whole time. don't let you inner afc out...your getting out of control. jealousy will make matters worse. just let go of her
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
You hit a point close to my heart. If you're looking for a real relationship (LTR), all those "techniques" will not work in the long run! Those stupid games/techniques are made for stupid clubber/raver type of girls who are out only to have fun and are only good for short term fun (ONS). They are shallow girls who really do go for the "exciting jerk" and actually are attracted to guys who do not show much respect. Relationship-material girls DO NOT go for jerks in the long run. Also, keep in mind that the games/techniques (such as the whole jerk routine) tend to work less on more mature girls.wayword said:Most PUA tactics are designed to quickly attract and escalate women for quick hump & dumps.
But will these fast-approach tactics backfire over time? Are they like sprinting in a marathon? Will the callous "jerk" shtick wear thin over time in a relationship? Or do you have to keep it up to maintain relationships? What's the secret to keeping a loyal, faithful, supplicating LTR gf?
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Hold on!! You said you both lost your virginity to each other and now you say she had a pimp before you and he is now back? HUH????Dominicus said:i dunno. i just cant believe that it was actually my fault. i miss her a lot and im way too depressed to go out and meet new chicks. she wont even talk to me anymore and has already brought her old fvck buddy back. im so jealous i dont know what to do. i need a picker upper, b/c this is the lowest i've ever felt in my entire lifetime.
Wow, Till, I think that is the only logical reply I've ever heard on this question YET! :cheer:TillTheEndOfTime said:You hit a point close to my heart. If you're looking for a real relationship (LTR), all those "techniques" will not work in the long run! Those stupid games/techniques are made for stupid clubber/raver type of girls who are out only to have fun and are only good for short term fun (ONS). They are shallow girls who really do go for the "exciting jerk" and actually are attracted to guys who do not show much respect. Relationship-material girls DO NOT go for jerks in the long run. Also, keep in mind that the games/techniques (such as the whole jerk routine) tend to work less on more mature girls.
HOWEVER, being a completely supplicating guy is not attractive to ANY type of girl. I believe any "fast-approach" tactic is not suitable for LTR. I have never seen it work well. My friend got burned one year into a relationship. He built it quickly using mostly kino and in the end he got played.
I have lived with a girl who is in a 4 year LTR and anoter girl who had a
3-year LTR. Their boyfriends are not jerks by any means. In fact, a lot of self-righteous people on these forums who think they are tough sh1t might call them "AFCs". They are actually nice to their girlfriends! *GASP* :nervous: (That's right! Some girls actually do appreciate guys who respect them) They do stuff for their girlfriends. In turn, their girlfriends return the respect. That is how a real relationship is supposed to work. It does not have to boil down to games, being a jerk and thinking every minute about how to remain a "challenge".
I know girls talk sh1t sometimes, so when trying to figure out what the guys in those LTR's did right...I asked leading questions, meaning that I did not ask the girl directly what I was thinking. I asked her something that would indirectly give me an answer. That way I would minimize the "female bias" by routing my intended question around the BS barrier (you know the thing about what women SAY they want and what they REALLY want).
From what I have observed and found out, LTR material girls LIKE the relatively slow build up. They like it when they are left guessing if the guy really does dig them enough. It turns them on. Fast seduction crap will not fool them, or keep them for long.
In both instances, the guy just asked the girl out to places or visited them. It was not like "hey baby, let's get together". In both cases, the guy got the girl to bring up the idea of a relationship. They did this by slowly building up attraction by showing the girl they like her (through asking her out places), but NOT EVER DIRECTLY SAYING "HEY I LIKE YOU". This leads me to an important point....
NEVER, EVER TELL THE GIRL YOU LIKE HER EARLY ON. NEVER! In most cases, this will cause her to put up a shield, ESPECIALLY if she thinks it is unexpected. That is why you slowly draw her to that conclusion through ACTIONS. That way she absorbs the idea of you two together in small bites and it does not seem so scary. You "grow" on her this way which never happens in fast-seduction type of techniques. That is where the long-lastingness stems from. Allowing your personality to grow on her.
When she accepts you as a person and not simply as a seducer, the relationship can have long lasting potential. You may be accepted as a seducer by acting like a jerk and playing games for a while, but you will not be accepted as a person....so it will not last long in the end.
The most important question you need to ask yourself is what you want. Do you want a LTR or do you want to be the short-term seducer? You can't have both. Then go from there.
wayword said:Wow, Till, I think that is the only logical reply I've ever heard on this question YET! :cheer:
So, the PUA fast approach actually backfires for LTRs...as for an LTR, you actually want to do the OPPOSITE...build up sllloowwww, not FAST. Spend a loong time qualifying her, before you even choose to bone her, for example. Just like pacing yourself for a marathon, instead of a sprint. And then, the relationship can also be sustained with mutual effort, instead of your cheap jerk routine, which will likely wear very thin pretty fast...
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
reallyfreakinlost said:Ok, let me break this down to you guys real nice and slow. The god damn divorce rate is 70%. Any attempt to have a lasting relationship is FUTILE. FULTILE! That means not worth any effort at all. Nada. Zip. Women are all god damn feminist b*tches and want to be men, for some god awful reason. Its true. Argue with me all you want, but I'll say it again, this is completely futuile. Just use the god damn women for sex, because if you want anything worthwhile, like a lasting relationship... and i mean LASTING, then forget about it. Do what I'm doing... make a god damn time machine so you can go back in time when women were women.
I'm all for finding the right girl, all I'm saying is the chances are less than winning the lottery... of course I'm speaking for myself, I can't speak for otherssyed said:Cmon dude, that's retarded. Just because the divorce rate is 70% doesn't mean you should never try a relationship. Just because something is doomed from the start doesn't mean you wont get anything out of it. Hey, the chances of me dying at some point are 100%...is living futile? I'm planning to graduate college next year...should I not bother with making new friends there?
People on this site need a reality check: when's the last time you really felt something for a woman? If it's been a while, shouldn't that worry you? Are you sure you're really living?
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.