U.S. vs. China

[Potbelly]

Wow, another Asian with an inferiority complex, what else is new.

inferiority?? wtf are you talkin about???

I'm supporting China so wtf am I inferior about?

Wow another dumbass on the internet...what else is new

 

[Visceral]

The Super Rich would just move to bloody China instead of wasting money and time changing the legislation to a more protectionist ones (even that does not guarentee $$ and productivity) it might end up being worse. I even now know guys who are reasonable wealthy (Balance Sheet wise) that owns multiple properties around the globe. You also have to remember manufacture jobs that once were here are now displaced with information and service ones. Look AT IBM they hardly focus on computers anymore, more R&D/chip and service stuff.

It wouldn't be the rich who would demand that the laws be changed, but rather ordinary Americans - that is, everyone who isn't making a killing off free market globalization.

 

[diplomatic_lies]

I doubt Russias military would or could act fast enough to retaliate against a stealth nuclear strike. Their armed forces are in shambles and most or their silos are "silent" meaning the complex guidence systems needed to direct an ICBM over those thousands of miles have been removed.

So the US will just nuke a country suddenly, without warning, for no reason?

Not even the Nazis were that cruel.

 

[Shiftkey]

Really it depends on the objective. There would be no way we could attempt what we tried with Iraq. If the objective was to just cause as much damage as possible, the US would win hands down. We wouldn't even have to send troops because our jet and bomb technology is second to none. Sending troops there would also be easy (though not as easy as just bombing it) because their citizens don't own guns. If China tried to invade us, our citizens alone could mount enough of a defence to repel them thanks to the second amendment. Any jets or ships they send would be shot down before they reached us.

The only advantage China has is superior numbers, but each of our soldiers are worth ten or more of theirs because our large volunteer army has superior training. Their army would mostly be drafted.

 

[blackbirdbeatle]

I can't believe all the answers in this thread. China can have 1 billion troops if they wanted to but they are still poorly armed and suited troops. The Chinese army is still 20 years behind America in terms of military technology no matter what anyone says.

It's also a matter of he who has the carrier fleets wins in modern warfare. Guess how many America has? Guess how many the rest of the world has?

So let's see, the Chinese have a **** ton of poorly trained and armed and equipped cannon fodder and the US has air, sea, ground and pretty much every other aspect related to war superiority(Except for sheer numbers which don't matter now). I'd like to see China try to get past the Pacific with all those troops and I'd like to see the US invade China by land without first clearing the path with their navy fleets. Therefore the vast advantage to China with regards to population is irrelevant.

Of course this whole US vs. China thing is clearly stupid but I mean come on, there really is no worldpower that comes close to matching the US. This is coming from a Canadian with an inferiority complex with regards to Americans.

Along the economic token, if the US goes down, China goes down hard as well and so does everyone else inthe world. In fact, if one of the major auto companies or any major US company went under, the world would go into a recession. Think about that.

 

[diplomatic_lies]

Why would China want to invade the US in the first place? I find it funny how Americans talk about fear of Chinese invasion, while the US has a million troops stationed in Asia. How many troops does China have stationed in the American continent? (or outside their borders, for that matter)

Now that I think about it...hasn't 90% of wars been started by the US? The last time a country declared war on America was in 1941.

 

[The_flying_dutchman]

inferiority?? wtf are you talkin about???

I'm supporting China so wtf am I inferior about?

Wow another dumbass on the internet...what else is new

I'm not sure if I even wanna expend time or effort to explain it to you, but if you ask real nicely then I might do so. But I will ask this, why is it that you live in the US yet cheer for China? That would be like me cheering on a burgular trying to break into my house.

 

[Potbelly]

listen dutchguy, you don't gotta be all hard ass on the internet. we're all friends here. anyways, when i was a wee little boy, my parents kinda moved here and i couldn't talk when i was a few months old so i didn't have a choice. but the living conditions in the usa are better than those in china. that is why i choose to stay. however, in a war i believe china would win.

so imma ask nicely now. please explain what your inferiority comment means?? i think you just don't have an answer :X

 

[Rovalier]

It wouldn't be the rich who would demand that the laws be changed, but rather ordinary Americans - that is, everyone who isn't making a killing off free market globalization.

These "rich" people tend to have the most clout because of their money (fund political parties). Not every rich guy inherited his riches either, they are smart people. They worked hard for it and they are not going to sit back and let someone take it from them.

Imagine the impact if a chunk of them took their business elsewhere, including their smartest R&D people to China. Time is everything, and the shift of power is occuring already. The chinese are more of a conservative patriarchy than America right now. With time if this continues to foster, you can be damn sure their power and numbers will grow by substantial amounts each year while America continues to depopulate - only immigration is what keeps growth up in America and much of the west (Canada, Australia, UK...). Just watch, some of the more established affluent men move there in the future. Language might be a problem but Mandarin was created to be more easily learnt by those of english language roots.

Anyways it is very unlikely China want to invade America (unless provoked for whatever reason) even if they are more powerful at one point because of the strong economic interlink of the two.

 

[Shiftkey]

People in this thread keep on saying, "why do you even think about it when it's never going to happen." It's a GAME. Just because it's never going to happen doesn't mean we can't wonder. It's like playing Risk - if I play that, am I trying to come up with the best way to win WW2? No! It's just for fun!

The_flying_dutchman, it has nothing to do with American pride either. Potbelly is entitled to his opinion - you don't need to flame him and get the thread locked.

Lighten up people.

 

[Nobody]

inferiority?? wtf are you talkin about???

I'm supporting China so wtf am I inferior about?

Wow another dumbass on the internet...what else is new

SUPPORTING? ROFL... why would you support China? There's a reason your parents moved over to America, and I bet you were born here. Why disrespect the country that's giving you a chance in life, and worship the country that pissed on your family so much taht they actually traveled across the biggest ocean in the world to come to.

 

[PeterNorthisawesome]

Well some posts were good and I agree to most but some I totally disagree. The fact is U.S. is still the strongest country because it has the best military. We still got nukes, rockets, planes, tanks, and well trained soldiers. The rockets we could have can reach anywhere in the world and we got bases everywhere (10-20 in Japan around 4 air bases that could support an air raid on North Korea, China, Russia and Iran. They have nuclear subs stationed near the ports too.) Sure we owe money but we owe money mainly to China and Japan (Allies), if we did start a war China would lose so much money from lending money and would lose their major trading partner.

Also China is going through the industrial revolution, they're running out of raw material which his why their economy will eventually slow down, their population is booming now but it'll eventually slow down too (Darwin's theory of evolution). They are and will be one of the major super powers, however like North Korea they don't have a missile that will reach the U.S. and don't have air craft carriers. The reason why U.S. won't attack China or North Korea is because they're so many allies near them that could get harmed like Japan, Taiwan and India. If the Chinese attacked then the U.N., U.S. and the allies would cruch China through economic sanctions and bombings to take out their factories. So unless the U.S. decides to invade China using ground forces which would be long / costly or get rid of the nukes. China, North Korea, Iran got no chance winning against the U.S.

 

[PRMoon]

So the US will just nuke a country suddenly, without warning, for no reason?

Not even the Nazis were that cruel.

The Nazis never had the opportunity to do so. If they had nukes would they have devistated the russian home front? Maybe, the Nazis were seeking GLOBAL domination so nuking one country during war time to demoralize the rest would be very plauseable (that's how we got the japanese to submit afterall).

Regardless, if we decided to go to war with anyone and it seemed as if the tide were turning (if that's even possible) then don't think for a second we wouldn't go light thermo on some one. We made agreements with the Russians to stop the anti ICBM program as well and we've violated and currently are violating that agreement as well and nobody's doing anything becaue no one can. Most if not all of the agreements made between the US and the UN can be subject to change if the US can come up with "credible evidence" as to why it needs to be violated or altered. Pretty hypocritical but hey that's the reality we live in.

 

[diplomatic_lies]

We made agreements with the Russians to stop the anti ICBM program as well and we've violated and currently are violating that agreement as well and nobody's doing anything becaue no one can.

So if the US nukes an entire country, nobody is going to do anything? They'll just sit there and go, "Well that's life". We're talking about wiping out an entire country - up to 2 billion people dead. It's a more serious agreement than anti-missile treaties.

Regardless, if we decided to go to war with anyone and it seemed as if the tide were turning (if that's even possible) then don't think for a second we wouldn't go light thermo on some one.

There's a reason they call it mutually assured destruction. China may not have as many WMD as the United States, but it's still enough to take out most of the US population centres. You think the US people are willing to sacrifice 25% of their own population just to colonise Asia again?

 

[Rocko]

(because China has no interests in the American continent, whereas the US likes sticking its nose into other peoples business)

Um...ya, thats a lie, please don't make stuff up. The Chinese are SLOWLY BUYING OUT the American government. They are investing money into our economy, so our dollar value will go up, decreasing OUR net exports, and increasing OUR imports of THEIR goods. They keep their money supply high so that way it is cheap and we get to invest in it.

 

[StrangeButTrue]

China hasn't got a chance. Nobody wants nor plans to invade mainlaind China- It's simply an impossible prospect with a small but elite volunteer army. Unless allies like India got involved nobody would even consider it.

No, this would be a naval war, first and foremost. And China has an ass-backwards Soviet 1975 navy (though it's trying to build up as we speak.) The US outguns it in number and quality, and most especially experience. When has China EVER had a navy? A little tradition goes a long way; just look at the Brits' Royal Navy.

Once America gained complete naval supremacy, then you can fly sorties at will and choke China to death with a blockade. No need for yucky jungle combat.

Any land fighting in this scenario is in the Philippines or Taiwan, maybe Korea if Lil' Kim thinks he's hot ****. US wins any of these considering the air and naval superiority and a big unsinkable carrier called Japan.

No contest.

 

[PRMoon]

So if the US nukes an entire country, nobody is going to do anything? They'll just sit there and go, "Well that's life". We're talking about wiping out an entire country - up to 2 billion people dead. It's a more serious agreement than anti-missile treaties.

You're not taking into account what kind of mentality the US would have to be in order to take this course of action. If for some reason the US would become what would be inessance a "global terror" and went totalitarion then there would be little any other country would or could do to stop them. To date the US is the only country to be labled a hyper power (one step above a super power) because if it's influence and direct effect on the global community. Although it should be noted that it was dipolomacy that got the US to this point and not war. A situation like this would go against all rationality and leave diplomicy, the US's most valuable trait/weapon/tool checked at the door.

There's a reason they call it mutually assured destruction. China may not have as many WMD as the United States, but it's still enough to take out most of the US population centres. You think the US people are willing to sacrifice 25% of their own population just to colonise Asia again?

Well to be completely honest the bulk of their missiles wouldn't even make it here. The DF-5 is a relatively slow moving missile and would make easy prey for a small squadron of F14 equiped with air to air missiles. Even if the missiles some how made it more then half way across the ocean, the us could use the patriot system to take down the bulk of the chinese nuclear arms with little effort. There are more counter measures set up to take down low flying nukes but we don't really need to discuss them here. The main point is mutually assured destruction is quickly becoming a thing of the past for the more advanced countries of the world. We've come a long ways since the cold war and technology has no signs of slowing down.

 

[ROOKIE OF THE YEAR]

I don't know if China will surpass U.S., but I heard tons of people said China is booming really fast right now.

 

[Derek Flint]

The US has Air superiority, and that would be the deciding factor.

 

[diplomatic_lies]

If for some reason the US would become what would be inessance a "global terror" and went totalitarion then there would be little any other country would or could do to stop them.

If the US ever becomes a threat to the free world, then they can be stopped. Yes, maybe the world will be crippled along the way, but the US will still be stopped.

Well to be completely honest the bulk of their missiles wouldn't even make it here. The DF-5 is a relatively slow moving missile and would make easy prey for a small squadron of F14 equiped with air to air missiles.

Exactly - which is why China has recently moved into a diplomatic route. They know America is an aggressive country who aren't afraid of blowing up the world to get their way, so Beijing is quietly cutting off any excuses for the US to attack. The only way American troops will land in Shanghai is, if the US government becomes a fascist dictatorship.