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What obstruction though?

And how did he try to stop the investigation exactly?
Volume 2, Pages 3-7 have a summary of different actions that he took that could be considered as obstruction. The report does not specifically say that he committed obstruction, but it does say that it is up for debate. In my eyes, the evidence presented there would make me say that it is obstruction.

As for specifically the part about trying to stop the investigation:

Volume 2, Page 4
“The appointment of a Special Counsel and efforts to remove him. On May 17, 2017, the Acting Attorney General for the Russia investigation appointed a Special Counsel to conduct the investigation and related matters. The President reacted to news that a Special Counsel had been appointed by telling advisors that it was the end of his presidency” and demanding that Sessions resign. Sessions submitted his resignation, but the President ultimately did not accept it. The President told aides that the Special Counsel had conflicts of interest and suggested that the Special Counsel therefore could not serve. The President’s advisors told him the asserted conflicts were meritless and had already been considered by the Department of Justice.”
Volume 2, Page 5
"Efforts to curtail the Special Counsel’s investigation. Two days after directing McGahn to have the Special Counsel removed, the President made another attempt to affect the course of the Russia investigation. On June 19, 2017, the President met one-on-one in the Oval Office with his former campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, a trusted advisor outside the government, and dictated a message for Lewandowski to deliver to Sessions. The message said that Sessions should publicly announce that, notwithstanding his recusal from the Russia investigation, the investigation was “very unfair” to the President, the President had done nothing wrong, and Sessions planned to meet with the Special Counsel and “let [him] move forward with investigating election meddling for future elections.” Lewandowski said he understood what the President wanted Sessions to do.
One month later, in another private meeting with Lewandowski on July 19, 2017, the President asked about the status of his message for Sessions to limit the Special Counsel investigation to future election interference. Lewandowski told the President that the message would be delivered soon. Hours after that meeting, the President publicly criticized Sessions in an interview with the New York Times, and then issued a series of tweets making it clear that Sessions’s job was in jeopardy. Lewandowski did not want to deliver the President’s message personally, so he asked senior White House official Rick Dearborn to deliver it to Sessions. Dearborn was uncomfortable with the task and did not follow through."


Take those two points how you will, but I see them as trying to stop or at the very least hinder the investigation.
 

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Take those two points how you will, but I see them as trying to stop or at the very least hinder the investigation.
Your wasting your breath with danger. He won't accept any text you post from it, nor will he do the digging himself. He can't accept it. It would shatter his worldview.
 

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I read it and I am asking how we know that it's true? The only verifiable thing are Trump's tweets.

It sounds like you can't accept there was no collusion.
Authoritarian followers are conditioned to completely submit to their leaders... only accepting information they are fed from said leader. We all know you only trust Big Daddy Trump. Career investigators just can't be more credible than Big Daddy Trump, can they?
 

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Career investigators has nothing to do with it.

Everything on there is somebody's "testimony". That is not evidence.
Wrong. Testimony is indeed evidence. False testimony is punishable by law. Peep all the Trump campaign officials headed to prison for lying.

If the best they have is potential "obstruction", then nothing ever took place to start the investigation.
That is 100% contrary to literally the opening argument of the entire document.

As usual, trying for a process crime by hearsay. And they got nothing.

Now we get to see what fraud started this mess with the FISA declass. I have a feeling Rod Rosenstein is going to get in hot water.....
You're in a cult my friend.
 

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Voting Libertarian or Green Party is akin to flushing your vote down the toilet.
Just off the top of my head, Jesse Ventura was elected governor of Minnesota as a third party candidate. Ross Perot could have conceivably won the presidency in '92 had he not waffled, it was apparent he didn't really want it.

But regardless, flushing your vote down the toilet is not the same as voting for the other party. I've voted for an independent candidate on several occasions when I didn't like the mainstream choices. But in that case, it's more of a protest than a flush.
 

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Testimony is not evidence.
Nope, that's incorrect. Testimony is admissible evidence.

This is why words never put people into prison in a free country, outside of admission. Evidence must exist to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Physical documentable evidence.
Wrong again. Mueller addressed this in the beginning of the report. There was not enough evidence to convict Trump beyond a reasonable doubt, but that absence of evidence did not qualify as exoneration. In summary, there was circumstantial evidence. And this is why it's clear that you can't read.
 

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If the best they have is potential "obstruction", then nothing ever took place to start the investigation.
I mean what started it was Russia interfering with the election. That is without a doubt, I hope you are naive enough to say that that is a hoax too.
 

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Why would Russia want Trump elected president as opposed to Hillary?
They don’t really care who wins, that’s not the big picture. They want to sow social division and discord in the US via racism, political attitudes with radicalization added in, whatever works, etc.
It’s a multi front defeat from within strategy and so far they're having a decent success rate judging by mainstream media news and convos on internet boards…
 

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"Russia is White, Russia Bad." - (((Mainstream Media)))
 

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If you dig as hard into government officials' histories as has been done the last 2 years, you're gonna find something.

Trump is smart enough not to involve himself in that kind of crap. He's a businessman, he doesn't conduct himself like politicians do.

That's why the Dem army can't bring him down, he's too smart to play their game.

And have you seen the sentences for these infractions? Some will only serve 14 days.

We should be so lucky if we got federally busted...it's laughable.
 

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If you dig as hard into government officials' histories as has been done the last 2 years, you're gonna find something.

Trump is smart enough not to involve himself in that kind of crap. He's a businessman, he doesn't conduct himself like politicians do.

That's why the Dem army can't bring him down, he's too smart to play their game.

And have you seen the sentences for these infractions? Some will only serve 14 days.

We should be so lucky if we got federally busted...it's laughable.
Trump is smart? LOL
 
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