Tryna rizz exchange students

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Mode One Hardcore, mentality, and situational awareness. It would have been nice if you would have explained those concepts to OP earlier.

Bruh, I shared my entire two threads on the topic with OP.

Anything he wanted to know specifically, he could have asked.

But the fact that he gravitated towards the bullshiit others were preaching, goes to show that the"I am bold" shiit was just all talk.

It would have prevented so many petty arguments and so many irrelevant back and forth.

It's cool because these convos only serve as confirmation, that direct game is superior.

Anyways, I’m just trying to get laid so my man peace.

Do you, pimpin.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Recorded approaches are a thing.

I'm thinking about getting a hidden camera and recording my approaches.

 

[SW15]

I've been married from 2010-2022 (been separated since 2022).

That's interesting.

The typical guy who got married in 2010 likely started the relationship with the woman they married between 2006-2008. I'm going to tell a story here and I'm going to say 2007 is when that couple formed.

If this couple formed in 2007, married in 2010, separated in 2022, and likely finalized a divorce in 2022-2023, then we have a realistic timeline for a story.

It's very difficult to have a relationship for 15 years with the same woman and not have children with her. Couples that form prior to their late 30s likely won't go more than 5-7 years without having their first child together.

The typical guy who started an LTR in 2007 and received divorce papers in 2022 (women file for divorce in most cases) would have difficult in today's dating market.

This is likely a late Gen X/early Millennial guy (born 1979-1983) who has 1-3 kids with a woman who is near his age.

Imagine it is 2022 and a 40 year old early Millennial male born in 1982 has received divorce papers.

The 1982 born male with 2 kids who hasn't dated in 15 years is in for a rude awakening. He's like a blue pilled male and he likely wasn't a massive seducer prior to 2007.

Dating as a single father in the 2020s after 15 years away from dating is likely difficult, especially with a more blue pill ideology. However, many men do get more of a red pill ideology after they get screwed over in the divorce.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I didn't tag you because I didn't feel like dealing with your headache...again...I'm here to advise a noobie, not challenge your ego.

Have you ever done sales? Because this is like sales.

Your approach is "hey, wanna f***?" and you next them if it's anything but "yes".

My approach is "hey you're gorgeous, what's your name?" and then I improvise.

Both approaches are direct, but like I've said before, your method is like throwing a Hail Mary every single play. You might score some touchdowns, but you'll probably score way more by taking a little more time and showing these women why they want to sleep with you rather than expecting them to already know.

On a side note, I've posted field reports and a whole journal here, so you should know better than to say I "don't have balls". I don't think I've read any of your reports - everything is just Mode One this, Mode One that.

He talks about how he got with some 70+ year old granny with this method in one of them actually...

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

He talks about how he got with some 70+ year old granny with this method in one of them actually...

Yeah, and I also talked about how I got a 19 year old from the gym with it, too.

From ages 19-70, I make it easy for them to get my d!ck, if they want it.

And I don't care what fake azz dons on here think about it, either.

 

[characternote]

as with any 'method', you get the girls who think you are hot. It's all good
Direct/mode1 saves times
Although I personally usually go more indirect for my own reasons, but im' not really against it. Too each their own. Whatever works

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

as with any 'method', you get the girls who think you are hot. It's all good
Direct/mode1 saves times
Although I personally usually go more indirect for my own reasons, but im' not really against it. Too each their own. Whatever works

Both methods "work", but direct works better.

 

[SW15]

Both methods "work", but direct works better.

I like direct game better outdoors.

Indirect is good in indoor retail venues for not attracting attention of employees or security guards. There have been approachers who have been kicked out of malls and sometimes grocery stores for approaching.

My approach style has never drawn any attention and my favorite venue for approaching is a grocery store. I tend to go indirect in the grocery store.

Some approachers will spend extended periods of time in the grocery store (2-3 hours for an approach session). I have never gone more than 1 hour lingering in a grocery store.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

I like direct game better outdoors.

Indirect is good in indoor retail venues for not attracting attention of employees or security guards. There have been approachers who have been kicked out of malls and sometimes grocery stores for approaching.

My approach style has never drawn any attention and my favorite venue for approaching is a grocery store. I tend to go indirect in the grocery store.

Are we talking direct when it comes to requests for sex, or direct as it relates to asking for the number (or, for you guys; dates)?

Some approachers will spend extended periods of time in the grocery store (2-3 hours for an approach session). I have never gone more than 1 hour lingering in a grocery store.

There is one Walmart where I can spend 1 hour lingering, on a good day.

But besides that one, after about 10-15 minutes (if that long), Ive usually seen all I needed to see.

Dude, per previous discussion; Fry's.

Fry's may have surpassed Walmart nowadays.

My success at Fry's..Ive been doing NUMBERS in that muhfuka.

 

[Vanderdonck]

Ok so I went for the kiss. She just dodged. And said: "I'm sorry, I think we should leave".
Then while we were leaving she said : " I wont be mad if you dont come tommorow".

OP - good for you. Believe it or not you should count this as a win. Count every win.

You went for the kiss and she declined. No biggie. Now you know. And her comment was rude so just forget her. Take this experience and grow.

In fact the biggest takeaway is you didn't wait for silly "IOIs" but just went for it.

Generally exchange/erasmus students are DTF so it's not a bad idea to meet them. But cast a wide net and just keep trying. You're 18, lots of success to come.

 

[SW15]

Are we talking direct when it comes to requests for sex, or direct as it relates to asking for the number (or, for you guys; dates)?

For me, it's more about the opener. Direct as in the opener is more sexually oriented whereas indirect the opener is more observational about the environment then the conversation transitions into more personal topics followed by an ask out/phone number exchange.

In both direct and indirect approaches, contact info is exchanged at a minimum. It's better to get an agreement on a future interaction, then collect a phone number. A phone number alone without an agreed upon future 1-on-1 get together is worthless. I don't even ask for that anymore.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

For me, it's more about the opener. Direct as in the opener is more sexually oriented

If we are talking daygame, if one decides to use a sexually explicit opener on day game, then I tip my hat off to him.

I believe Mode One Hardcore is best served for nightgame (or certain other circumstances), but ain't mad ain't a dude who has the balls to go all out on the opener.

whereas indirect the opener is more observational about the environment then the conversation transitions into more personal topics followed by an ask out/phone number exchange.

Bro, I've been in situations where those lengthy conversations got me nowhere.

I've interacted with women, and exchanged contact info after a lengthy conversation (which I thought served me well), only for them to not contact me after it was all said and done.

My thoughts?

"All of that, for nothing".

That's why as of now, conversations are cut to a bare minimum.

Bank robbery method.

In & out.

In both direct and indirect approaches, contact info is exchanged at a minimum. It's better to get an agreement on a future interaction, then collect a phone number. A phone number alone without an agreed upon future 1-on-1 get together is worthless. I don't even ask for that anymore.

I get what you're saying, in theory.

I tend to be a little more quicker with the draw.

I'm gonna make a thread explaining my systematic approach...from beginning to end.

I'll see you there.

 

[SW15]

If we are talking daygame, if one decides to use a sexually explicit opener on day game

In daygame, the more standard direct opener is opening with a line about the woman's overall good looks.

I've been in situations where those lengthy conversations got me nowhere.

I've interacted with women, and exchanged contact info after a lengthy conversation (which I thought served me well), only for them to not contact me after it was all said and done.

My thoughts?

"All of that, for nothing".

That's why as of now, conversations are cut to a bare minimum.

The idea behind having an extended conversation in daygame or nightgame is to have a better idea if the vibes will be good enough for a good first date. A good first date is one that will result in a second date.

The idea about whether that works in the real world is debatable.

It's super disappointing to have an extended conversation, get an agreement for a future get together, and then have her flake on it is bad. It's also bad to have a lousy first date off of one of those extended approach conversations as well.

 

[AntoniousIV]

OP - good for you. Believe it or not you should count this as a win. Count every win.

You went for the kiss and she declined. No biggie. Now you know. And her comment was rude so just forget her. Take this experience and grow.

In fact the biggest takeaway is you didn't wait for silly "IOIs" but just went for it.

Generally exchange/erasmus students are DTF so it's not a bad idea to meet them. But cast a wide net and just keep trying. You're 18, lots of success to come.

I like this answer, idk if im biased or whatever but I like it.
After you said it, I really think this is a win. Aspecially because I mustered up the courage to talk to her (before I knew them) and schedule a meet (I wanna show you a good "turkish tea place").

Btw which part do you think was rude? I dont quite get that part.

 

[Vanderdonck]

I like this answer, idk if im biased or whatever but I like it.
After you said it, I really think this is a win. Aspecially because I mustered up the courage to talk to her (before I knew them) and schedule a meet (I wanna show you a good "turkish tea place").

Btw which part do you think was rude? I dont quite get that part.

Oh, I misread this part: Then while we were leaving she said : " I wont be mad if you dont come tommorow".

I interpreted it as her saying don't come, but she's actually just saying it's cool either way. All good.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

In daygame, the more standard direct opener is opening with a line about the woman's overall good looks.

Agreed.

But I'm asking if I can give her my # immediately afterwards.

No time wasted.

The idea behind having an extended conversation in daygame or nightgame is to have a better idea if the vibes will be good enough for a good first date. A good first date is one that will result in a second date.

Why would you take a woman out on a date, before you know if she is receptive towards your sexual advances?

The idea about whether that works in the real world is debatable.

It's super disappointing to have an extended conversation, get an agreement for a future get together, and then have her flake on it is bad. It's also bad to have a lousy first date off of one of those extended approach conversations as well.

No dates before physical, intimate contact.

Should you adopt this philosophy/standard, I think you'll fair much better.

Since I value/respect your opinion, what beef do you have with my mentality, if any?

 

[SW15]

what beef do you have with my mentality, if any?

I don't have any beef with your mentality. I like it.

Why would you take a woman out on a date, before you know if she is receptive towards your sexual advances?

This is a good point. It's something that I might be doing wrong. If I am doing it wrong, then far more men are doing it wrong.

In a typical daygame type conversation, few men know if she's sexually receptive, even from a 5-10 minute conversation. The whole idea behind daygame conversations has been to set up a drinks date on same evening. Occasionally, a daygamer can set up an instantaneous date (I have done this) but that's an uncommon outcome from non-bar approaching.

Approaching at nightlife venues can be done to set up dates on future nights but I find that's better to do earlier in the night (before 9 PM). That's especially true on weeknights. After 9 PM, the man should be pushing for same night sex off of his nightlife venues approaches, even on the non-prime nights.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

I don't have any beef with your mentality. I like it.

Then use it .

This is a good point. It's something that I might be doing wrong. If I am doing it wrong, then far more men are doing it wrong.

Most men (and women) are victims of social programming...at least for over a century or more, of being told that there is only one way, and one way only...until it's damn near embedded in our DNA.

But direct game challenges our intuitions. It questions the norm.

It exposes the illogic.

Once you sit back, think about it, analyze it..you'll see it's the truth, and you will reach enlightenment.

In a typical daygame type conversation, few men know if she's sexually receptive, even from a 5-10 minute conversation.

Correct.

But it will be in your best interest to find out if she is sexually receptive, before you take her on a date.

That's really my only point.

Don't invest money on a woman, until you know if she's sexually invested in you.

And that's where guys get it wrong...taking a biitch on three dates, and ain't even smash yet.

Tsk tsk.

The whole idea behind daygame conversations has been to set up a drinks date on same evening.

Bro, until the subject of sex is discussed, all you are doing is treating a biitch to free drinks.

In fact, the subject of sex is where the entire relationship begins.

That's high level game right there

Occasionally, a daygamer can set up an instantaneous date (I have done this) but that's an uncommon outcome from non-bar approaching.

Still can't let go of dates, can you?

Approaching at nightlife venues can be done to set up dates on future nights but I find that's better to do earlier in the night (before 9 PM). That's especially true on weeknights. After 9 PM, the man should be pushing for same night sex off of his nightlife venues approaches, even on the non-prime nights.

I definitely agree!!

Nightgame treated me quite well back in the day.

 

[Clockwerk50]

I don't have any beef with your mentality. I like it.



This is a good point. It's something that I might be doing wrong. If I am doing it wrong, then far more men are doing it wrong.

In a typical daygame type conversation, few men know if she's sexually receptive, even from a 5-10 minute conversation. The whole idea behind daygame conversations has been to set up a drinks date on same evening. Occasionally, a daygamer can set up an instantaneous date (I have done this) but that's an uncommon outcome from non-bar approaching.

Approaching at nightlife venues can be done to set up dates on future nights but I find that's better to do earlier in the night (before 9 PM). That's especially true on weeknights. After 9 PM, the man should be pushing for same night sex off of his nightlife venues approaches, even on the non-prime nights.

Women are rarely naive about men’s intentions. When a man approaches a woman he doesn’t know, wanting to spend time with her, she instinctively knows there’s a romantic or sexual interest - whether it’s overtly communicated or not. The idea that men are simply seeking company without any underlying motive is naive. There are exceptions, like wanting to learn a language or explore a city, but the underlying sexual dynamic is almost always present.

This awareness makes it easy for women to extract value from men - attention, drinks, food, or emotional support - without offering anything in return. Even with direct approaches, men are often still manipulated. The simplest way to avoid this is to only do what you genuinely feel like doing without expectation or obligation.

Since you’re the forum’s analyst, it would be valuable if you could quantify the effectiveness of different methods in terms of approach-to-lay ratio, time investment, and quality of women. For example, if I approach 50 women directly proposing an exchange in orgasms versus 50 women with a more gradual teasing-building, kissing, a “come to my place for coffee”, and then sex, how many of each would realistically lead to a lay?

 

[SW15]

Since you’re the forum’s analyst, it would be valuable if you could quantify the effectiveness of different methods in terms of approach-to-lay ratio, time investment, and quality of women. For example, if I approach 50 women directly proposing an exchange in orgasms versus 50 women with a more gradual teasing-building, kissing, a “come to my place for coffee”, and then sex, how many of each would realistically lead to a lay?

There is some insight into pounding the pavement, from Tom Torero prior to his death.

The Art of Daygame Seduction – Tom Torero - Alpha Male 2.0

Today’s article is written by my favorite daygame guy, Tom Torero. There is also a FREE audio component to this article, available for everyone. Tom will also be replying in the comments. Take it away, Tom!

alphamale20.com

What kind of realistic expectations should you have? Well, depending on your starting point, your mileage will vary. But a solid daygamer should be able to get a number from 25% of the girls he approaches. Out of those numbers, 25% should come out on dates. And from those dates, 25% should end up in his bed. If you think those statistics are depressing then look at your ratios for Tinder or dating sites.

Based on this, a daygamer would need to approach 75 women to get 19 phone numbers, 4-5 dates, and 1 new sexual partner. That's using a strong systematic approach like the London Daygame Model. I think a lot of daygamers need to approach more than 75 women to find a new sexual partner. In a better case scenario, it would realistically take most men a while to do the 75 day approaches to find a new sexual partner. Additionally, in going through this, one would probably want that sexual partner to last for some amount of time based on the effort it takes to approach 75 women in non-bar venues.

Few men 'spam' daygame anymore. I've never seen a 'spam' daygamer in action in my city and I live in one of the biggest cities in the USA. I have done daygame approach sessions in some of the most notable daygame spots in my city. When I do daygame sessions, I am a little bit more selective with my approaches. In a 2 hour session outdoors on a popular walking path, I might only do 5 approaches.

I think that most daygamers will need to do over 100 approaches (sometimes well over 100 approaches) to get a sexual partner and it will take a lot of time to do that. I don't think most men can 'spam' daygame to shorten that time and I don't think there's a desire on the part of most men to 'spam' daygame.

When Torero wrote what he wrote, he didn't go down to the level of detail of an approach asking directly for sex vs. one that is a little bit more gradual. The London Daygame Model is based on open-stack-vibe-invest-close, so that's a more gradual method. A London Daygame style opener could be classified as direct or indirect.

An analysis of nightlife venue approaching is likely to turn up similar numbers.