Trying to figure out if men are leaving or are getting more thirsty

[Roober]

We are in a bit of a quandry at our current state in society. Men are told what they can or cannot do, while women are pushed into more masculine behaviors. When you sit back and observe what is happening, it is actually quite a fascinating social experiment...

One thing I am fairly certain of though is that women have entered the workforce and are here to stay. That has had a dramatic influence on relationships, and our general culture because men have failed to adapt to this. When you add the welfare state, and divorce imbalance, the issue is intensely magnified.

What I often see as the problem is men's dated perception of marriage. This means that a man works, and woman takes care of the kids and home. And this is where it gets interesting because many of the other tasks that required attention of a man (mowing the lawn, construction, general housework, etc) have either been automated or are provided by cheap labor (illegals, competition). For example, more and more men pay for home renovations instead of doing the work themselves. Oil changes, car washes, haircuts, fast food... All of these have made our lives better, but also removed some necessity for a masculine presence.

As a result of technology, the role of the sexes have changed dramatically...
A. Women still care for their children and homes as expected. But now women also work 8+ hours a day.
B. Men, on the other hand, still work as expected, but have filled their nonworking hours with leisure activities.

So, looking solely at men in the last 20 years...
- more leisure time
- same time with children, although this is increasing.
- same time performing household duties
- less physical activity (speaking generally)

And add to that...
- high divorce rates
- advantages to women in court
- kids tend towards mothers
- society shames "being a man"

It's no wonder the quality of men are in sharp decline, but we can't ignore how much of it falls on each man. It is a systemic failure of adjusting to a changing relationship landscape that has led to this mess.

"Bringing home the bacon" just isn't enough any more, and I'm not sure it ever will be again. Relationships in the 21st century require more fathering, better sex, more ambition, and stoicism.

Anything less than that will be discarded...

 

[Alvafe]

They are most definitely top tier, nothing beats fame/status/celebrity when it comes to SMV.

That said, fame aside, even in regular real life, no one is going to convince me that no top shelf attractive guy is ever going to want to be in a relationship, that they will all just singlemindedly seek casual hookups forever. Also, wanting to have a family is not an illusion, and I say this as someone who has never wanted children.

its a illussion of you marry and all will be well forever and ever, remember a relationship require work, on both parts, both need to work together and alwyas put the other in mind, thing is most are too lazy and the very little problem it happen they quit, just remember the whole family and marriage who are sold to you during all this years you are alive, consider how many of these ideas and visions are illussions

also for top tier, I consider top tier who have his mind, life, status and money, they certainly don't have mind and a good life, they mind damage they live they ahve money and status they lack 2 others stats to be top tier, they sell they are but they are not, but yes they are still high grade

 

[Trump]

You seem to be willfully evading the point; they're not saying that they can't "have a social life", but that the social life being created by their interests lacks the supply of desirable women, and that the tactic of using hobbies to create a social circle with a lot of available women in it is thus flawed

I asked him the same thing to him several weeks ago in another major thread, and he wouldn’t name one thing that had women in it. He evaded the point the exact same way. Actually he wanted $10,000 cash to name one thing that had women in it. Very akin to James Bond.

I guess if you join the event or social club he recommends, and it doesn’t work, you called him on it. By giving strategic advise and evading specifics, he has imparted wisdom for you to help yourself, but has taken the blame off himself if it doesn’t work out.

They are more successful than me, but it makes me really wonder how successful these “top players” are.

 

[corrector]

Then why do these women you see on OLD for 12 hours a day, YES you see women and attractive, non fake women who use OLD like 12 hours a day you see them or on there everyday and they list themselves as outgoing on their profiles yet they use OLD all day long? If they're so outgoing why are they on OLD every single day for months?

You have to be online yourself 12 hours a day to notice they are on 12 hours a day. Is that fun?

 

[AttackFormation]

We are in a bit of a quandry at our current state in society. Men are told what they can or cannot do, while women are pushed into more masculine behaviors. When you sit back and observe what is happening, it is actually quite a fascinating social experiment...

One thing I am fairly certain of though is that women have entered the workforce and are here to stay. That has had a dramatic influence on relationships, and our general culture because men have failed to adapt to this. When you add the welfare state, and divorce imbalance, the issue is intensely magnified.

What I often see as the problem is men's dated perception of marriage. This means that a man works, and woman takes care of the kids and home. And this is where it gets interesting because many of the other tasks that required attention of a man (mowing the lawn, construction, general housework, etc) have either been automated or are provided by cheap labor (illegals, competition). For example, more and more men pay for home renovations instead of doing the work themselves. Oil changes, car washes, haircuts, fast food... All of these have made our lives better, but also removed some necessity for a masculine presence.

As a result of technology, the role of the sexes have changed dramatically...
A. Women still care for their children and homes as expected. But now women also work 8+ hours a day.
B. Men, on the other hand, still work as expected, but have filled their nonworking hours with leisure activities.

So, looking solely at men in the last 20 years...
- more leisure time
- same time with children, although this is increasing.
- same time performing household duties
- less physical activity (speaking generally)

And add to that...
- high divorce rates
- advantages to women in court
- kids tend towards mothers
- society shames "being a man"

It's no wonder the quality of men are in sharp decline, but we can't ignore how much of it falls on each man. It is a systemic failure of adjusting to a changing relationship landscape that has led to this mess.

"Bringing home the bacon" just isn't enough any more, and I'm not sure it ever will be again. Relationships in the 21st century require more fathering, better sex, more ambition, and stoicism.

Anything less than that will be discarded...

In other words being a tradcuck with a petty sense of masculinity is on its way out.

And that's supposed to be a bad thing, or somehow perplexing? I hope you're kidding me dude. It's time to wake up.

But I understand that in countries that don't have family friendly policies like affordable childcare, paid parental leave, universal healthcare and education, it's significantly more strenuous to afford and raise children for the average person. So I understand why this is more of a conundrum to you. But all you really have to do is implement some basic, sound policies that already work elsewhere, and update your sense of masculinity to one not based on being a petty tradcuck, which the aforementioned policies make much easier to do.

 

[biggoal]

You have to be online yourself 12 hours a day to notice they are on 12 hours a day. Is that fun?

Not everyday but you get my drift. There really isn't anyone on OLD within a 30 mile radius around here it's that bad. I have it set for 65 miles and see the same faces every single freaking day. But then when I look in Tampa or Miami the chicks are plentiful and YOUNGER. OLD most are over 37 on OLD around here. Those cities lots under 30. This really sucks.

Oh and a low end HB7 I'm talking to now. We chatted and she gave me her number and we texted this afternoon. Shes under 40 too! 39. She's just over 50 miles away.

 

[zekko]

You seem to be willfully evading the point; they're not saying that they can't "have a social life", but that the social life being created by their interests lacks the supply of desirable women, and that the tactic of using hobbies to create a social circle with a lot of available women in it is thus flawed if any likely social life created therefrom is a sausage-fest.

Obviously you have to pick specific interests where there are a lot of available women. I have no doubt that this works, but I'm not sure I would be completely comfortable feigning an interest just to get close to some females. Doesn't sound authentic. Sounds a bit like those guys who just take yoga or aerobic classes just to get laid. It would be better if your actual interests naturally brought you into contact with females, but unfortunately that doesn't always happen. If it does, consider yourself lucky.

 

[biggoal]

Obviously you have to pick specific interests where there are a lot of available women. I have no doubt that this works, but I'm not sure I would be completely comfortable feigning an interest just to get close to some females. Doesn't sound authentic. Sounds a bit like those guys who just take yoga or aerobic classes just to get laid. It would be better if your actual interests naturally brought you into contact with females, but unfortunately that doesn't always happen. If it does, consider yourself lucky.

Very true. As I said not many decent women are into guns and fishing. I did take an pilates class in the summer one year in community college for my gym credit. Only two guys in there. Sadly not a ton of hot women, BUT I did have an HB9 I befriended who sat next to me. I saw on her facebook she had a boyfriend, BUT I was able to get her number one day. Just flirted a bit after class and when walking to our cars I just flat out asked for her number and got it lol. But yea it was strange taking a class like that but that was my goal was to see a lot hotties but jsut wasn't a lot in there.

What are hobbies that girls like that guys won't look awkward doing?

 

[ubercat]

Well yoga s an interesting one. Books on yoga for football, tennis, martial arts. So it does seem like one hobby that could improve your more manly pursuits.

 

[biggoal]

Well yoga s an interesting one. Books on yoga for football, tennis, martial arts. So it does seem like one hobby that could improve your more manly pursuits.

You just need to find the right Yoga studio that has hot young chicks. How do you scope them out without looking like a perv in the window?

 

[ubercat]

That would be all of them.

 

[Visionist]

None of my many hobbies are awash with single women.

Roller Coasters; parks are full of couples or girls in groups of girls & guys.

Movies; I prefer to see on my own as I'm there to see a movie, not socialise.

Cars; women generally don't know shît about cars and aren't about to start learning now, what with all the self driving and electric eco fâg cars that are becoming trendy (no thanks).

World War 2; this is a home study hobby with occasional visits to museums and important sites. Hardly awash with single women.

At the end of the day, my hobbies are too important to me to change them up for different ones in the hopes of getting laid. Getting laid really aughtn't be so important.

 

[Roober]

In other words being a tradcuck with a petty sense of masculinity is on its way out.

And that's supposed to be a bad thing, or somehow perplexing? I hope you're kidding me dude. It's time to wake up.

But I understand that in countries that don't have family friendly policies like affordable childcare, paid parental leave, universal healthcare and education, it's significantly more strenuous to afford and raise children for the average person. So I understand why this is more of a conundrum to you. But all you really have to do is implement some basic, sound policies that already work elsewhere, and update your sense of masculinity to one not based on being a petty tradcuck, which the aforementioned policies make much easier to do.

Ummm... What?

I think you grossly misunderstood what I stated.

 

[evan12]

You said top tier men never want more than dating or hooking up, so I took your statement at face value.
Having more options might make a man more picky or less likely to get involved, but it certainly doesn't preclude them ever wanting to have a relationship of some sort.

Every man need to settle eventually , but when I said never I meant when they are on their prime years, average man start thinking in "locking" the girl he is with from early twenties , but in Tender days I am more and more seeing attractive men or men with value staying single for longer time.
I know Turkish actor stayed single until he get old and got heart attack , then he quickly married a girl while he was still in hospital when we was at least 65 year.
So what women frustrated is that hot guy is never want more. She give him seex, some times money and wait him years, in herself she think she is the amazing woman who eventually will go with her, but after a couple of years she release he will never going to settle, then she go to Opra crying why men doesnt want to settle, here the sexless guy get angry because same women didnt give him even a chance to open his mouth with here clearly because her standards are way too high.