Zarky said:
I'm not going to hijack this thread, so this'll be my last post because I'm not a clubber, but I'm going to have to disagree with almost everything you said in that post, with the exception of this:
I'd much rather be a mysterious stranger than a well-known loser AFC in a room full of women. I've seen AFCs in social groups who never get laid even though they've known the women forever and have put in tons of "effort." Once a woman pegs you as an AFC/beta you will almost assuredly never sleep with her, even if you are the last man on earth. If you don't make her "'gina tingle" then it doesn't matter how many times she sees you, you ain't gettin' any. And yes, if a woman and a man she thought of as an AFC were stranded on a desert island, the woman would become completely nonsexual and the man would go to bed unsatisfied for the rest of his life.
Sure, I'd much rather be a mysterious stranger, too, but that doesn't change the reality factor here.
Women CONSTANTLY sleep with beta guys- some examples: a beta is almost ALWAYS sought for a rebound relationship. Also, that orbiter AFC that's always hanging around a girl? If he's persistent enough, he'll get her when she has a big fight with her BF, or when she's drunk and feeling bad about herself at 2 am. Ever hear of a woman sleeping with her best guy friend? It happens more often than you think. These are all examples of "AFC game."
Now, your thoughts are spot on about why it's better to be an alpha--we are in complete agreement on that. "AFC game" is certainly not optimal! But, we have to acknowledge that cold approaching puts one at a huge disadvantage. You are likely facing down a wall of opposition from her friends, and every last bit of her social conditioning will try convince her that she should not trust you. In fact, the smoother you are, the more ASD will kick in.
Women ALL want an alpha. But, they also have a way of sabotaging things for themselves. You will find that many women are not happy in their relationships, and many more hook up with guys that are textbook AFCs and regret it later. There's lots of random aberrations to social dynamics that the theory buffs don't discuss.