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You have to focus on it so you know what to look for, and when. And not dwell on it, but take action. You have to experience it first hand, take note of it, then learn. Been there...I was taken to task by my ex's friends after I had a Stroke. Things were already shytty, but I learned the hard way how to deal with this. Unfortunately you might have to be very upfront about it, depending on the people you're around.

I have a strong sensitivity to stress/conflict after all this, and what happened that took me there. I can't handle conflict anymore. Even a nasty tv show can flip my switch now. But try to tell a female doctor that...when I tell my story they think I'm the problem. Because I'm a man, who shows attitude when I explain, just by saying what I do. That's the only excuse women need. They took my meds away that helped me knock the PTSD I was diagnosed with. So, I have to just "deal with it". Toxic Femininity is indeed very real, and it's certainly not a new thing.

Women can use toxic masculinity as a factor in breaking men down, their marriages, their reputation. It can be a genuinely real Bytch.
I understand.

I've known people who had a stroke and how it changes them overnight.
 

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Imagine, for a second, a tampon commercial about "toxic femininity". It shows women backstabbing their friends, gossiping about co-workers, and making false sexual harassment allegations. It also shows female high-school teachers having affairs with underage students, college girls getting drunk and being obnoxious at the club, teenagers getting pregnant and having abortions. At the the end of the commercial, you get some preachy, sermonizing message like "women should do better than that". Can you really even imagine a commercial like that being released??? It would the scandal of the century. The company releasing the commercial would immediately go out of business and the advertising people would be burned at the stake.
You're the first person who actually answers the question in my OP by giving examples of negative traits which are typically female. Thanks you, much appreciated!!
 

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You may not be aware but you are subtly channeling the feminine imperative.

Women commit crimes on a more societal level than an individual level. But they are no less lawless or crimes against humanity.

Metoo movement?
Believe women movement?
Title 9?
Abortion?
Cuckoldry?
False accusations against men?
Socialism?
Special rights?
Alot of dope dealers give most of their $ to women.
So they do it for the puzzy.
Originally I was going to give my example for your list- toxic fem herd mentality. That's where I was headed...
All your priorities need group approval first.
 

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You may not be aware but you are subtly channeling the feminine imperative.

Women commit crimes on a more societal level than an individual level. But they are no less lawless or crimes against humanity.

Metoo movement?
Believe women movement?
Title 9?
Abortion?
Cuckoldry?
False accusations against men?
Socialism?
Special rights?
You may not be aware but you are subtly channeling the feminine imperative.

Women commit crimes on a more societal level than an individual level. But they are no less lawless or crimes against humanity.

Metoo movement?
Believe women movement?
Title 9?
Abortion?
Cuckoldry?
False accusations against men?
Socialism?
Special rights?
Metoo movement? Affects mainly Hollywood stars and in some cases justified, many cases not. Not a big deal for most people.
Believe women movement? That’s stupid, but does that compare to gang violence and murder?
Title 9? No idea
Abortion? Only an issue if you’re religious. I couldn’t give a damn.
Cuckoldry? We have threads on having side plates while married like it’s just normal. Again, how does this compare to criminal activity? How prevalent is cuckoldry, honestly? Other than utter trash, it’s not a big thing. Perhaps in the states but not here.
False accusations against men? Bad, yet not as prevalent as rape. Or assault. Or battery. Or child molesting. Which are 80%+ committed by men.
Socialism? Created by men. Supported by a lot of men.
Special rights? Yeah, I don’t agree with any of that.

Dude, I hate this post modern relativism as much as anyone, but you can’t honestly say the above on a societal level equates to the wrongdoing of the worst kind of men.

The issue is, co opting all the decent men into this. It’s not my responsibility, it’s nothing to do with me. This is where Gillette etc gets it wrong. All this feminist crazy **** is exactly that - it’s cynical and power focused.

However, you can’t seriously argue that these modern feminist evils equate to the sum of male-dominated evils? Don’t let the feminists back you in the “male” corner and get you in some tribal alliegence with men due to a group identity. I am NOT in an identity with the various specimens of human excrement which pass for men in our prison system, any more than a decent woman is a bat **** feminist. If you get pulled in this way, they are getting to define you.
 

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Metoo movement? Affects mainly Hollywood stars and in some cases justified, many cases not. Not a big deal for most people.
Believe women movement? That’s stupid, but does that compare to gang violence and murder?
Title 9? No idea
Abortion? Only an issue if you’re religious. I couldn’t give a damn.
Cuckoldry? We have threads on having side plates while married like it’s just normal. Again, how does this compare to criminal activity? How prevalent is cuckoldry, honestly? Other than utter trash, it’s not a big thing. Perhaps in the states but not here.
False accusations against men? Bad, yet not as prevalent as rape. Or assault. Or battery. Or child molesting. Which are 80%+ committed by men.
Socialism? Created by men. Supported by a lot of men.
Special rights? Yeah, I don’t agree with any of that.

Dude, I hate this post modern relativism as much as anyone, but you can’t honestly say the above on a societal level equates to the wrongdoing of the worst kind of men.

The issue is, co opting all the decent men into this. It’s not my responsibility, it’s nothing to do with me. This is where Gillette etc gets it wrong. All this feminist crazy **** is exactly that - it’s cynical and power focused.

However, you can’t seriously argue that these modern feminist evils equate to the sum of male-dominated evils? Don’t let the feminists back you in the “male” corner and get you in some tribal alliegence with men due to a group identity. I am NOT in an identity with the various specimens of human excrement which pass for men in our prison system, any more than a decent woman is a bat **** feminist. If you get pulled in this way, they are getting to define you.
1. Metoo affects any woman who claims to have been assaulted, especially by a person in power.

2. Why wouldn't it be as bad? Innocent men go to prison? You're channeling the feminine imperative because you are channeling THEIR VALUES.

3. Then you are not educated enough yet on the subject. You should research here.

4. It is an issue if men want to have their baby but it is her choice to kill it. She gets all of the power and he gets all of the responsibility. How is that not criminal? Because we live in a gynarcho tyranny.


5. Women are never tricked into raising babies that are not their own. And yes it happens a lot. Again you channel the feminine imperative because you channel their values. You really think this is a minor crime to men?!?!

6. False rape is not as bad as real rape? According to who? Oh right. The feminine imperative. You are channeling their values at the expense of men's.

7. Socialism is mostly agitated for by women. Whether is is alimony, child support, entitlement programs, etc,...

I also did not include Open Borders but I should have since it is a civilization destroyer and mainly women agitate for it.

Your entire post proves my point.

Yes rape and murder are bad, but to question that those heinous acts by women are all that bad? Seriously?

Cuckoldry alone is an immense crime against men and yet it is not even illegal at all? Nor are the consequences of it?
 
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Men are assertive. The crimes of men are not limited to present day. Dawn of time. You kill the rough ones and kick the rest out of the tribe.

The crimes of women are the toxic and below the radar influences of destruction. The internal implosion of a societal structure.

Entire wars have been fought due to damaging influences of women attached to power. Underhanded manipulations of the minds of weak men.

None of this does a damn thing. You start with yourself. You stay the course. The final acts of everything will be laid upon the shoulders of men.
If you don’t want to carry that load...lay it where it belongs. Understand that the natural tendensies of women are anti-civilization where unobstructed breeding takes place.
 

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1. Metoo affects any woman who claims to have been assaulted, especially by a person in power.

2. Why wouldn't it be as bad? Innocent men go to prison? You're channeling the feminine imperative because you are channeling THEIR VALUES.

3. Then you are not educated enough yet on the subject. You should research here.

4. It is an issue if men want to have their baby but it is her choice to kill it. She gets all of the power and he gets all of the responsibility. How is that not criminal? Because we live in a gynarcho tyranny.


5. Women are never tricked into raising babies that are not their own. And yes it happens a lot. Again you channel the feminine imperative because you channel their values. You really think this is a minor crime to men?!?!

6. False rape is not as bad as real rape? According to who? Oh right. The feminine imperative. You are channeling their values at the expense of men's.

7. Socialism is mostly agitated for by women. Whether is is alimony, child support, entitlement programs, etc,...

I also did not include Open Borders but I should have since it is a civilization destroyer and mainly women agitate for it.

Your entire post proves my point.

Yes rape and murder are bad, but to question that those heinous acts by women are all that bad? Seriously?

Cuckoldry alone is an immense crime against men and yet it is not even illegal at all? Nor are the consequences of it?
Not so. I didn’t at once
1. Metoo affects any woman who claims to have been assaulted, especially by a person in power.

2. Why wouldn't it be as bad? Innocent men go to prison? You're channeling the feminine imperative because you are channeling THEIR VALUES.

3. Then you are not educated enough yet on the subject. You should research here.

4. It is an issue if men want to have their baby but it is her choice to kill it. She gets all of the power and he gets all of the responsibility. How is that not criminal? Because we live in a gynarcho tyranny.


5. Women are never tricked into raising babies that are not their own. And yes it happens a lot. Again you channel the feminine imperative because you channel their values. You really think this is a minor crime to men?!?!

6. False rape is not as bad as real rape? According to who? Oh right. The feminine imperative. You are channeling their values at the expense of men's.

7. Socialism is mostly agitated for by women. Whether is is alimony, child support, entitlement programs, etc,...

I also did not include Open Borders but I should have since it is a civilization destroyer and mainly women agitate for it.

Your entire post proves my point.

Yes rape and murder are bad, but to question that those heinous acts by women are all that bad? Seriously?

Cuckoldry alone is an immense crime against men and yet it is not even illegal at all? Nor are the consequences of it?
Read your entire post back, then mine, and you will see I didn’t question the severity of the offence, I questioned the prevalence.

Do you think there are more false allegations of rape, than rape itself?

Did I say cuckoldery was a minor crime, or a rare one?

As for abortion, you think impregnating a woman with an unwanted child and forcing her to raise your baby is fair? What planet are you on? Or is protection on her?

Please read what I post instead of drawing straw men. I’m saying the total of these female behaviours are not even a drop in the ocean to the male crime issue.

As for socialism, open borders, a woman has a democratic right to vote and they are 50% of the population. You can’t do much about that, other than take their vote away.

You’re arguing a point I never made. I’m talking about prevalence, not severity.

For the record, a false allegation should carry the same sentence as rape, and it doesn’t. I agree that’s unfair. Cuckoldry should carry a similar sentence - 10 years minimum. We may agree on a lot of things, but in the global ledger of human atrocities and unpleasantness, you can’t make an argument to say women have a bigger charge sheet than men. It’s preposterous to claim that.
 

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Not so. I didn’t at once


Read your entire post back, then mine, and you will see I didn’t question the severity of the offence, I questioned the prevalence.

Do you think there are more false allegations of rape, than rape itself?

Did I say cuckoldery was a minor crime, or a rare one?

As for abortion, you think impregnating a woman with an unwanted child and forcing her to raise your baby is fair? What planet are you on? Or is protection on her?

Please read what I post instead of drawing straw men. I’m saying the total of these female behaviours are not even a drop in the ocean to the male crime issue.

As for socialism, open borders, a woman has a democratic right to vote and they are 50% of the population. You can’t do much about that, other than take their vote away.

You’re arguing a point I never made. I’m talking about prevalence, not severity.

For the record, a false allegation should carry the same sentence as rape, and it doesn’t. I agree that’s unfair. Cuckoldry should carry a similar sentence - 10 years minimum. We may agree on a lot of things, but in the global ledger of human atrocities and unpleasantness, you can’t make an argument to say women have a bigger charge sheet than men. It’s preposterous to claim that.
You are intellectually dishonest and I reject your assertion. I didn’t say anything about who or what gender is mostly or partially responsible.

It won’t matter. Everything will be put on the shoulders of men. I watched women drive men to drink because those men have been tricked by this society to be passive. So to be honest, your full of shyt.
 
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Not so. I didn’t at once


Read your entire post back, then mine, and you will see I didn’t question the severity of the offence, I questioned the prevalence.

Do you think there are more false allegations of rape, than rape itself?

Did I say cuckoldery was a minor crime, or a rare one?

As for abortion, you think impregnating a woman with an unwanted child and forcing her to raise your baby is fair? What planet are you on? Or is protection on her?

Please read what I post instead of drawing straw men. I’m saying the total of these female behaviours are not even a drop in the ocean to the male crime issue.

As for socialism, open borders, a woman has a democratic right to vote and they are 50% of the population. You can’t do much about that, other than take their vote away.

You’re arguing a point I never made. I’m talking about prevalence, not severity.

For the record, a false allegation should carry the same sentence as rape, and it doesn’t. I agree that’s unfair. Cuckoldry should carry a similar sentence - 10 years minimum. We may agree on a lot of things, but in the global ledger of human atrocities and unpleasantness, you can’t make an argument to say women have a bigger charge sheet than men. It’s preposterous to claim that.
You are saying that male crimes outweigh female crimes are you not?

Are you not saying this based upon the current gynocratic legal system?

Are you not saying this with the presupposition that the quantity and severity of the male crimes outweigh the female?

My challenge to you is that you are saying these things based upon the feminine value system, and with dubious facts, if any at all.

Who is to say that rape is worse than cuckoldry?

Who is to say that murder is worse than socialism (financial slavery)?

Again, you channel the values of the feminine imperative because you have already aligned your value system to theirs.
 
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You are intellectually dishonest and I reject your assertion. I didn’t say anything about who or what gender is mostly or partially responsible.

It won’t matter. Everything will be put on the shoulders of men. I watched women drive men to drink because those men have been tricked by this society to be passive. So to be honest, your full of shyt.
You are intellectually dishonest and I reject your assertion. I didn’t say anything about who or what gender is mostly or partially responsible.

It won’t matter. Everything will be put on the shoulders of men. I watched women drive men to drink because those men have been tricked by this society to be passive. So to be honest, your full of shyt.

I wasn’t responding to you.

I was responding to Danger. If I HAD been responding to you, that would have indeed been intellectually dishonest.

It’s one letter away, Danger, Ranger...I can see how that happened.
 

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You are saying that male crimes outweigh female crimes are you not?

Are you not saying this based upon the current gynocratic legal system?

Are you not saying this with the presupposition that the quantity and severity of the male crimes outweigh the female?

My challenge to you is that you are saying these things based upon the feminine value system, and with dubious facts, if any at all.

Who is to say that rape is worse than cuckoldry?

Who is to say that murder is worse than socialism (financial slavery)?

Again, you channel the values of the feminine imperative because you have already aligned your value system to theirs.
There is not a single society on planet earth who equates socialism to murder. I am completely anti socialism but this conversation is falling into the realms of the bizarre. We live under a democratic system. This has delivered some socialist policies, and some free market ones. I’m not going to debate the merits of this, but if you’re seriously suggesting people who vote Democrat need 25-life, I don’t really know where to start.

Is cuckoldery on a par with rape. Possibly. I made that exact same point above, the exact point was made by me.

Imprisoning people for murder, violence, rape and fraud are not gynocentric ideas. Every society on earth worth it’s salt has criminalised these. It just so happens these are mostly committed by men, and that is mainly because or testosterone.

Yes, the majority of serous crimes are committed by men. Objectively, women are more law abiding. If you think that’s a gynocentric conspiracy, what are we to do? Legalise them? Lessen sentences due to testosterone? If that’s not the case, we start to hand out bigger punishments for female crimes. So if we do that, say, life for cuckoldery, do you think the prison populations would be equal?

I’ve been mugged, beaten up and robbed by men several times in my life. I’ve not yet known anyone cuckolded. I’ve known a few guys get shafted on divorce and can’t see their kids. That’s where the gynocentrism is. Family courts. To a lesser extent the workplace.

Even so, the prison system is full of killers, rapists, fraudsters, all manner of evil men. To argue that this is some feminine plot to criminalise men is beyond absurd.
 

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There is not a single society on planet earth who equates socialism to murder. I am completely anti socialism but this conversation is falling into the realms of the bizarre. We live under a democratic system. This has delivered some socialist policies, and some free market ones. I’m not going to debate the merits of this, but if you’re seriously suggesting people who vote Democrat need 25-life, I don’t really know where to start.

Is cuckoldery on a par with rape. Possibly. I made that exact same point above, the exact point was made by me.

Imprisoning people for murder, violence, rape and fraud are not gynocentric ideas. Every society on earth worth it’s salt has criminalised these. It just so happens these are mostly committed by men, and that is mainly because or testosterone.

Yes, the majority of serous crimes are committed by men. Objectively, women are more law abiding. If you think that’s a gynocentric conspiracy, what are we to do? Legalise them? Lessen sentences due to testosterone? If that’s not the case, we start to hand out bigger punishments for female crimes. So if we do that, say, life for cuckoldery, do you think the prison populations would be equal?

I’ve been mugged, beaten up and robbed by men several times in my life. I’ve not yet known anyone cuckolded. I’ve known a few guys get shafted on divorce and can’t see their kids. That’s where the gynocentrism is. Family courts. To a lesser extent the workplace.

Even so, the prison system is full of killers, rapists, fraudsters, all manner of evil men. To argue that this is some feminine plot to criminalise men is beyond absurd.
There are loads of educated people who understand socialism kills large numbers of people, Venezuela as the latest example and South Africa soon to follow.

The conversation is only bizarre to you because you are currently unable to detangle yourself from the framework of the feminine imperative.

As a result, you are suggesting I am saying imprisoning for rape or murder is gynocentric. I said no such thing.

Let's take a step back and focus on one example. Rape versus cuckoldry.

Why is one a crime and not the other?
Who benefits?
Why do we try to inflate the numbers for rape?
Why do we try to stop discovery of cuckoldry?
Why do we not track rates of cuckoldry?
If we inflate one and hide the other, what narrative does it help drive?

Your basis of men committing the most numerous and vile of crimes is based on the framework of the feminine imperative.

The above questions should help you realize that.
 

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There are loads of educated people who understand socialism kills large numbers of people, Venezuela as the latest example and South Africa soon to follow.

The conversation is only bizarre to you because you are currently unable to detangle yourself from the framework of the feminine imperative.

As a result, you are suggesting I am saying imprisoning for rape or murder is gynocentric. I said no such thing.

Let's take a step back and focus on one example. Rape versus cuckoldry.

Why is one a crime and not the other?
Who benefits?
Why do we try to inflate the numbers for rape?
Why do we try to stop discovery of cuckoldry?
Why do we not track rates of cuckoldry?
If we inflate one and hide the other, what narrative does it help drive?

Your basis of men committing the most numerous and vile of crimes is based on the framework of the feminine imperative.

The above questions should help you realize that.
You have some good points and I broadly agree cuckoldery is not given the punishment nor the publicity deserved.
 

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You have some good points and I broadly agree cuckoldery is not given the punishment nor the publicity deserved.
Because it is not publicized or recognized as a crime, it helps to convey that women are not so wicked as men, correct?

What other systems or values are in place to help strengthen this perception?
 
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Because it is not publicized or recognized as a crime, it helps to convey that women are not so wicked as men, correct?

What other systems or values are in place to help strengthen this perception?
I don’t think the law has deliberately tried to do so. The technology to prove this is perhaps 20 years old.

On a day to day basis, I am far more worried about men in society than women. Women have their own risks but they are primarily carers for children. The issue is, the bad eggs are extremely damaging as they have a cloak of invulnerability. I would suggest you’re coming at this from a black and white perspective.

I’m still absolutely convinced that femal crimes - false victimisation, cuckoldery, and the whole gambit of female unpleasantness does not equal the wrongs of men. I’d still rather be cucked than murdered.

I agree cuckoldery is not recognised by law and that’s awful, and that family law is grossly anti male. Do you have other examples of female crime (other than socialism which is a point of political view shared by a lot of men)?
 

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I don’t think the law has deliberately tried to do so. The technology to prove this is perhaps 20 years old.

On a day to day basis, I am far more worried about men in society than women. Women have their own risks but they are primarily carers for children. The issue is, the bad eggs are extremely damaging as they have a cloak of invulnerability. I would suggest you’re coming at this from a black and white perspective.

I’m still absolutely convinced that femal crimes - false victimisation, cuckoldery, and the whole gambit of female unpleasantness does not equal the wrongs of men. I’d still rather be cucked than murdered.

I agree cuckoldery is not recognised by law and that’s awful, and that family law is grossly anti male. Do you have other examples of female crime (other than socialism which is a point of political view shared by a lot of men)?
You don't find it coincidental that nearly all laws involving both sexes benefit the feminine?

You ask about female crime but let's clarify. This is not about identifying actual crime by sex. This is more about identifying the value system differences by sex and why it leans so hard to support the female.

To say it in a different way. Perhaps it is not that men commit more of the heinous crimes, but that we have chosen to apply criminal law around actions men are more likely to take.


Let's pick another.

Why should women be allowed to request back child support from a father who never knew he had a child?

How is it not a major crime to hide this child from the father to start with? Is it not heinous to keep a child from knowing and bonding with their genetic father? Are the father and the child both not major victims here?
 

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You don't find it coincidental that nearly all laws involving both sexes benefit the feminine?

You ask about female crime but let's clarify. This is not about identifying actual crime by sex. This is more about identifying the value system differences by sex and why it leans so hard to support the female.

To say it in a different way. Perhaps it is not that men commit more of the heinous crimes, but that we have chosen to apply criminal law around actions men are more likely to take.

Let's pick another.

Why should women be allowed to request back child support from a father who never knew he had a child?

How is it not a major crime to hide this child from the father to start with? Is it not heinous to keep a child from knowing and bonding with their genetic father?
That’s terrible. I am not sure if that is the case in UK.
 

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The issue with identifying aggression or toxic behaviors is that male behaviors are much easier to observe. Men are more physically aggressive (murder, rape, etc.), therefore are certainly more likely to be put on display.

However, womens aggression can be equally as dangerous and the repercussions may be equally as damaging. For example, men will kill other men over a woman. Men will also get physically violent with a woman, whereas a woman will take away his children. Men essentially have to have perfect behavior to retain good relations with their children after a separation, and even that could always be in jeopardy of she suddenly decides to lie to the courts, which happens far more than people admit to).

However, these are things that are far less observable than physical a use inflicted by men. Now, if we start examining how the male suicide rate is 4 times that of women, and how boys are in special education at a rate of 3 to 1 to girls, we may get a bigger picture.

From my own experience, I witness it firsthand. Spend some time with kids of you want to see what really happens as adults. A little boy will hit when he gets upset, or lash out. Little girls use their words, their tone, and direct language to get results. They are both forms of aggression, but as a society, we are failing our young boys in identifying the behaviors properly.

"Boys will be boys" is the exact same thing as "girls are sassy" or have a mouth or whatever. However, you dont ever hear about sassy girls as a real problem. Why?
 
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