Total submission or nothing

[Bokanovsky]

Women worry about being raped or killed.

From my experience, most women are not particularly worried about being raped or killed. Go to any major city on a Friday or Saturday night and you'll see swarms of scantily clad, drunk women everywhere. If they were seriously concerned about their safety, they would't be acting in a way that makes them easy targets.

 

[CornbreadFed]

From my experience, most women are not particularly worried about being raped or killed. Go to any major city on a Friday or Saturday night and you'll see swarms of scantily clad, drunk women everywhere. If they were seriously concerned about their safety, they would't be acting in a way that makes them easy targets.

Weren't you just in agreement that Western countries have turned into crime infested shvt holes due to immigration?

 

[jhonny9546]

-yes she will be on your azz with drama ( great thing!!).

Could you explain this point better?

 

[Vanderdonck]

In essence, your notion of leadership seems to imply that a man’s role is to “figure things out” by shouldering the burden of life’s most difficult, thankless, and stressful responsibilities, while a woman’s contribution is to show up and, as you say, "get on board" with her golden ticket. That's quite the arrangement - for one of the parties.

A man who leads will shoulder considerable burden and seldom be thanked. That's just how it is. Life isn't fair or equal.

 

[Bokanovsky]

A man who leads will shoulder considerable burden and seldom be thanked. That's just how it is. Life isn't fair or equal.

And man who takes on a burdensome, thankless task without getting anything in return is either a moron or a slave.

 

[zekko]

Go to any major city on a Friday or Saturday night and you'll see swarms of scantily clad, drunk women everywhere. If they were seriously concerned about their safety, they would't be acting in a way that makes them easy targets.

I don't think those are the most shining examples of femininity or intelligence out there. But they should be concerned about their safety. They probably feel they have safety in numbers, and there is such a thing as liquid courage. Women might also be concerned about date rape. I'm always surprised at all those solo female campers and solo female van life women on YouTube and whatnot. I'm surprised they don't come to a bad end more often. I don't think I would have the courage to be a woman, honestly.

 

[Bokanovsky]

I don't think those are the most shining examples of femininity or intelligence out there. But they should be concerned about their safety.

I agree that it's dumb behavior. But it dispels the silly notion that most women live their lives in fear of being murdered or raped. It's just not true.

I don't think I would have the courage to be a woman, honestly.

If being a woman is scary then being a man is downright terrifying. 80% of homicide victims are men.

 

[Gamisch]

Could you explain this point better?

imo ( example)women are such emotional creatures that if you spend a lot of time with them AND they really like ,she will know you patterns like the back of her hand. If you for example put out your phone for 24 hours it's ON. Another simple example can be the fact she has a bad day and she's unable to play nice. Finally she can ( subconsciously) be testing you.

In my language they say that the worst thing someone can do to you is to be indifferent. An indifferent woman almost never is a good sign ( as in ,she couldn't care less).

Part of the prize of being with a woman = a healthy amount of small drama every now and then. It takes experience to be able to stirr it into the right direction.

 

[Sega Genesis]

I don't think those are the most shining examples of femininity or intelligence out there. But they should be concerned about their safety. They probably feel they have safety in numbers, and there is such a thing as liquid courage. Women might also be concerned about date rape. I'm always surprised at all those solo female campers and solo female van life women on YouTube and whatnot. I'm surprised they don't come to a bad end more often. I don't think I would have the courage to be a woman, honestly.

^^This is very good post.

As a woman I do NOT live in fear however being sexually assaulted is a "concern" as well it should be. I used to work in legal and was exposed to 'date rape' situations all the time and agree with the poster who said it's usually due to drinking.

Such cases are very hard to prove and are typically a "he said/she said" which favors the defendant (typically the man).. The lines can sometimes be blurred and there have been plenty of false date rape reports as well..

I've seen it all, it's not pretty no matter how you slice and dice!

I agree with you @zekko and @Bokanovsky about the behavior of some women at bars and clubs and other solo ventures, getting into some random guy's car, having sex, going back to his etc.

I'm not gonna address how she's dressed, that should not matter; it's more about her behavior and I'm a woman saying this.

Even online before meeting, the dirty pics, the raunchy sexting, what do they think is gonna happen when they meet the guy in person? Y'all gonna go bowling? Lol

For me, again NOT fearful but I am always "aware" and behave prudently even somewhat modestly until I get to know him and feel a level of trust.

I do agree with @BeExcellent on some things and believe her point to be if a man wants submission from a woman, be a man worthy of being submitted to.

Be consistent and congruent, don't play games, don't employ "compliance" shyt tests, lead by example and if SHE is worthy of you, she will follow suit.

Yes it's a tough task but if done right, she will treat you like a King in and out of the bedroom which is a win-win for both..

$.02

 

[Gamisch]

I am also female like BE and understand your point about leadership but how about consistency and congruency?

Just my read on her post but I think she was referring to some men expecting total submission simply because he's a man and has a penis.

It takes more than that.

Also I'm curious how you (generic you) define total submission?

Should she not have a voice, her own opinion and be allowed to express it? Lest you think she's being defiant and not complying?

Is she allowed to have a life outside of just you that's important to her?

I've read that which is why I ask.

Lastly...



No one, woman or man, can '"make" you feel like a loser without your permission.

No person should allow another person to have that type of power and control over them.

To address that last sentence again;
Here's the thing:

A man will perceive his own value based on how his last woman ( treats)treated him .

If you only ever deal with women that doubt you..you'll roam the earth thinking that you ARE indeed "not good enough". You'll get ignored by every woman and every tree and actually "understand " why they ignore aka auto reject aka not preselect you.

This is happens gradually., not overnight. At some point a woman might have a high smv to a man, but all it does is giving him somme clout . Soon as the curtains close and the door is locked...he goes through hell dealings with a person who doesn't fecking like HIM ,his essence, his energy, his looks, demeanour, smell,humor, lone language, past struggles a.d traumas (read that last one twice) ect. This is DEVASTATING to a man's self esteem.

On the other hand..a man who gets treated like a KING, will walk around with exactly that air. Hence why occupied men oftentimes are preyed on by women. Dude who just made a woman squirt and scream his name vs dude who is on a years long involuntary dryspell (no celibacy excuse or bs ,just that plain ol' dryspell no p00sy no nun'.).

 

[zekko]

If being a woman is scary then being a man is downright terrifying. 80% of homicide victims are men.

Men engage in some pretty stupid behaviors also.

 

[Beyond It]

Most men don't experience enough /never experience total submission. Most are chasing women that look at them as secondary options at best and thus the entire relationship is rocky from the start.

Total submission on the other hand is when a woman is completely in her feminine state. That includes drama (I'll make a thread on that specifically).

Gentlemen ,there are only two flavours in this ish: 1.she either submits 100% or 2. she doesn't.

Let's look at what total submission looks like:
-she is completely of the market and yours completely
-she waits for you whatever you do. (Thas why dudes in jail can keep a woman off the marker for sometimes years.
-to allude to the first one: her p00sy is soaking for you at any time. She loves having sex (with you)
- she is willing to listing and adjust
- she does feminine shyte as washing your clothes making you food sucking you D cleaning your house with a smile
-yes she will be on your azz with drama ( great thing!!).

You could basically ask her to marry you and she would instantly say yes. Ask her to live with you? Yes. Is that smart....perhaps . Perhaps not.

The most important about total submission is that it allows you to be a KING. Whereas a woman who doubts you makes you feel like a LOSER. Because you are literally losing in life if you waste your time on a woman who clearly wants a better deal than you. Why would you surround yourself in that energy??? So the outside world thinks you are a stud? From now on ,go for total submission and nothing else!

Interesting. When he starts thinking this…he’s already beyond help. He cares about the outcome. There is no end game. Being worshipped is a feminine goal. That’s how delusional they are.

 

[zekko]

I do agree with @BeExcellent on some things and believe her point to be if a man wants submission from a woman, be a man worthy of being submitted to.

While we're on the subject, I wanted to mention that I know some guys who are with women, but they aren't exactly good leaders. They have some questionable judgement in certain areas that can sometimes mess up their lives. That hasn't stopped them from finding love, interestingly. But I wouldn't say their women submit to them, rather it's the opposite. A woman isn't going to submit to a man, especially if it's in an area that he isn't competent.

 

[BeExcellent]

Exactly @Sega Genesis and of course you are female, you "get it". It is not fear per se but as an attractive woman you stand out. Therefore you must have situational awareness at all times.

I do not get drunk. Never have really. I do not tolerate excessive alcohol, and must always have wits about me to evaluate situations in real time.

I once was driving home late from a business trip. Rural area. Severe storms all around. A law enforcement officer pulls up adjacent to my car, drives alongside for a little bit. Drops behind me and pulls me over. Its raining. He asks me to get out of my car & tells me to get in the front seat of his cruiser. I am VERY uncomfortable. He starts saying suggestive things. Wants to "chat".

I told the officer that I had called my husband (first husband) and let him know my location via my cell phone, that I was being pulled over, and to call 911 and give my location if he didn't hear back from me in 20 minutes. I also asked him why he had pulled me over because I wasn't speeding or breaking any law.

His response was chilling: "Oh, just because...."

I told him I was going back to my car to get home to my family. And I got out of the cruiser & got back in the car. I had memorized his name tag in that encounter.

The next morning I called the sheriff's office, told them what happened and so forth. The female officer I spoke with was disturbed by what I reported.

I was lucky to get out of that situation safely. A man 10 years younger with a gun.

So yeah. Concern indeed. This crap does not happen to guys.

 

[Vanderdonck]

And man who takes on a burdensome, thankless task without getting anything in return is either a moron or a slave.

Ok, you see a leader as a slave. It's all a matter of perspective.

A man will perceive his own value based on how his last woman ( treats)treated him .

Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission. IOW men should learn not to draw their value externally, especially from women. A lot of men do, maybe that's what you're saying, but the paradox is that those who don't often attract at a higher level.

 

[jhonny9546]

Part of the prize of being with a woman = a healthy amount of small drama every now and then. It takes experience to be able to stirr it into the right direction.

Yes, indeed, this is why being single is so wonderful for a man.
Freedom doesn't bring anxiety, while being with a woman and being aware of it always brings drama and therefore anxiety.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I really disagree with this notion of men are privileged and women are not because of xyz. 1). We can be a victim of a crime, so I am not going to walk through a sketchy area at night like an idiot. 2). We are negatively profiled and targeted by society. For example, a cop is going to be more suspicious of me than a female especially if you are young and masculine. 3). Male privilege only applies to Chads and the top 1% in a community. This just proves that 99% of men are invisible to women because it is ridiculous to assume that I am automatically put in The Boys Club because I am a guy lol. Do I have to worry about being raped? No, and I understand a woman's concern for that, but society needs to realize that each gender faces its unique set of problems.

 

[CornbreadFed]

On the other hand, men are not doing a great job showing women that they are the leaders, protectors, and emergency responders. Yes, we used to be the providers, but that role is long far gone, and men just think having a dvck, a job, and being nice is going make them marketable to the modern women. My GF can boast about women power all she wants, but she knows who will be the one to confront the intruder in the house, who will be the one that handles the emergency situation, and who will be the one that navigates the family through valley, rivers, and etc. This is why you see women settling for bad boys/SUS men because they tend to exhibit some of these qualities while your average man is just a bvtch level providor. Modern women do not need providors, they need men.

 

[SW15]

Modern women do not need providors, they need men.

The following is written in the context of the United States' mating market.

The provider male has been falling out of fashion with women since they started getting bachelor's degrees in large numbers and entered white collar work.

Second Wave Feminism (1960s-1980s era feminism) was the movement that killed the provider male, though it happened more gradually.

By the time I was in high school (1997-2001), the young females I knew (early Millennials) were preparing themselves to work throughout life. Most were planning to go to college and do some white collar thing for the 40 years after college. These were the first large generation of women who experienced their formative years after Second Wave Feminism.

If you were a GI Generation male (1910s-early 1920s births) or a Silent Generation male (late 1920s-1945 births), you were going to be a provider male in most cases. Most women were not going to be able to financially independent. In the 1960s, there were a few female trailblazers that started to live independently, but it was less common. A media depiction of this was Peggy Olson on Mad Men. Peggy Olson's character was born in 1939, making her a member of the Silent Generation.

The changes started during the Baby Boomer generation (1946-1964 births). Second Wave Feminism started coming in during the youth years of Boomers. The mentality didn't fully change yet but it was changing on college campuses and more Boomer women started to attend colleges in the late 1960s up through the early 1980s. The leaders in Second Wave Feminism were Silent Generation women like Gloria Steinem but a lot of the followers in the 1970s-1980s were Boomer women.

Generation X got the last remnants of the older provider male movement. It had really faded by then. Second Wave Feminism occurred during their childhoods. They were the children of No Fault Divorces of the 1970s and some of the youngest of them had older Boomer parents in the early part of the Boomer divorce wave of the 1980s-early 2000s.

 

[darksprezzatura]

Expect all circumstances and relationship dynamic to constantly be in a state of flux. One day a woman would do anything for you, the next day she might not.

The only thing in our control is to be help yourself and her grow. Feeling dominant and superior in a dynamic is often how fools get played. Don’t get blindsided. Focus on your purpose, let the chips fall as they may.