Tom Brady, Sofia Vergara having ‘summer romance’ in Spain

[zekko]

A 40-42 year old man isn't close in age to either one. He hasn't had the same life experiences as either, so neither is likely to offer good personality compatibility. Looks would matters more and that's Sweeney's advantage with her youthfulness. Many 40-42 year old men would find it exciting to be in an interaction with a much younger woman.

The younger woman would be more exciting, but that isn't what always matters. Some people just click.

 

[SW15]

Some people just click.

I would be more likely to have personality compatibility with a childless woman in her late 20s as compared to an early 50s woman with a child 18+.

 

[zekko]

I would be more likely to have personality compatibility with a childless woman in her late 20s as compared to an early 50s woman with a child 18+.

Maybe, but we're talking about Brady. And he has children.

 

[SW15]

Maybe, but we're talking about Brady. And he has children.

Brady is likely to have different tastes than me. He has had different life experiences than I've had.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I really question the people saying younger is automatically better crowd. My current LTR is my age, and my previous one was 9-10 years younger than me. I was 29 and she was about to turn 20. The age gap between us was the primary reason why things did not work out. In addition, I find that Gen Z tends to look older than millennials and act more immature. I was having some nostalgia, so I asked my hair dresser what she thought about the year 2007. She said that she had no idea because she was like 3 and I was like wtf because I assumed she was around my age based off her appearance.

 

[SW15]

I really question the people saying younger is automatically better crowd. My current LTR is my age, and my previous one was 9-10 years younger than me. I was 29 and she was about to turn 20. The age gap between us was the primary reason why things did not work out. In addition, I find that Gen Z tends to look older than millennials and act more immature.

You are still under 35, so big age gap relationships seem less appealing. Until my mid-30s or so, I wasn't that interested in a large age gap. I consider a large age gap 10+ years.

I think mid-30s + men start to get more interested in big age gaps because a lot of mid-30s women have baggage and are overall less fun in interactions. Their physiques are often declining too.

Your previous LTR was 9-10 years, which is close to the 10 year threshold. I can imagine why that failed. 19 year olds are immature.

A 40 year old male with a 25 year old female might not experience immature as much because a 25 year old is more mature.

I was having some nostalgia, so I asked my hair dresser what she thought about the year 2007. She said that she had no idea because she was like 3 and I was like wtf because I assumed she was around my age based off her appearance.

This was a random interaction and not pickup/seduction. There is an important point in this.

In big age gap interactions, the two people will not have commonality in cultural touchstones. Nostalgia isn't going to happen because 2 people were at different points in time.

If I am dating someone born in 1998 (15 years younger) and I want to talk about 2005 (the year I graduated college), it's not going to be a productive conversations. She was in early elementary school. I can't also talk to early Gen Z'ers about the late 2000s/early 2010s recession. They didn't really feel it because they were in elementary school then. It's possible that they might have had a parent get laid off in 2008-2009, but that's different than experiencing something themselves. In the late 2000s/early 2010s I was in my mid to late 20s. I felt that recessionary period big time as a new MBA graduate trying to establish a career.

Some of that nostalgia/cultural touchstone stuff is a bit overrated in relationships.

In 1980, the band Steely Dan had a song about this topic. The song (Hey Nineteen) is about an early 30s guy who is having problems relating to some 19 year old woman but it becomes irrelevant as they are able to find commonality in alcohol, cocaine, and sex.

 

[Sega Genesis]

If I am dating someone born in 1998 (15 years younger) and I want to talk about 2005 (the year I graduated college), it's not going to be a productive conversations. She was in early elementary school. I can't also talk to early Gen Z'ers about the late 2000s/early 2010s recession. They didn't really feel it because they were in elementary school then. It's possible that they might have had a parent get laid off in 2008-2009, but that's different than experiencing something themselves.

^^Wha? I am female and don't see why she wouldn't be interested. Just because she herself didn't experience it?

All the more reason why she would be interested! I know I would be! And have been!

My ex husband was 15 years older and I loved hearing about his experiences. Growing up, in high school, college, whatever and wherever.

And he loved hearing about mine too.

it's not about age or even compatibility OR money, status imo.

It's about what @zekko said - two people "clicking," that certain somethin somethin
that frankly can't even be defined, it's just there, it exists.

Mental, emotional, physical chemistry.

And when it's there, genuinely NOT based on the superficial like age, money, status, it's exciting! You want to learn all you can about each other! And have lots of hot sex too of course!

Have you ever felt that with a woman SW?

I only ask because of what's quoted above and many of your posts re dating and relationships. It sounds somewhat robotic versus based on actual human emotions and genuine chemistry.

With Brady and Sophia, without more context I tend to agree with @zekko about feeling that "click" with each other.

They most likely a have a great chemistry (not just based on the physical or age obviously) but all of it, that certain somethin somethin that again cannot even be defined.

He and Sydney may not have felt that same chemistry although on paper and perhaps by "society'" standards, they seemed like a better fit.

 

[SW15]

I am female and don't see why she wouldn't be interested. Just because she herself didn't experience it?

All the more reason why she would be interested!

I can't imagine that most 1998-2002 females would be interested in my Great Recession experiences because it would be more difficult for them to emotionally connect to these experiences, given that they were in elementary school when I was experiencing a great trauma in my life. Graduating from an MBA program in 2008 was brutal. I've not had too many conversations in general settings with Gen Z'ers about graduating into 2008.

At the same time, I believe that cultural touchstones are a bit overrated in romantic interactions. The Great Recession was a hugely significant event for 1980s born Millennials because we were the ones most affected by it.

I have had many fewer interactions with Gen Z women than I would like. Most of my interactions have been with women closer to my age. The oldest Gen Z's were born 14 years after I was born.

Money is a key way that men are able to get a much younger woman. It's difficult to get a good age gap interaction without good financial standing.

 

[MatureDJ]

He has a lot of choices and ended up with that. There are 20 something Latinas with great butts available.

¡MAMACITA!

 

[MatureDJ]

Graduating from an MBA program in 2008 was brutal.

It was definitely OVER for CollegeGradCels during the Great Recession.

 

[MatureDJ]

Sydney Sweeney is overrated af. She looks like any MID skinny young twenties white girl you see on college campuses or MAA pool parties.

Are you kidding? She needs to be bottled up and sold as an antidote for erectile dysfunction.

 

[MatureDJ]

You do realize they don't just hire bums and rats off the street to sell and advertise prestigious goods like Gucci, right? I didn't work at Gucci, but I did work at Abercrombie (when it was flaunty and waspy) and they weren't just putting cold bodies out in the store front. I would imagine Gucci takes their hiring to a whole new level lol.

I remember Abercrombie hiring this CEO that basically said he didn't want ugly people working at his stores.

 

[SW15]

It was definitely OVER for CollegeGradCels during the Great Recession.

The recessionary period of the late 2000s/early 2010s was a difficult time to be someone who was a recent graduate with either a bachelor's degree or an advanced degree.

Regardless of what Roosh said in his famous 2011 article about getting laid while unemployed (see below), it is more difficult for most men to get laid while they are unemployed or underemployed graduate in a low status job not requiring college education.

Getting Laid While Unemployed And Living In Your Dad’s Basement

I think there were some long term effects on the mating environment among 1980s born Millennials due to the recession.

She needs to be bottled up and sold as an antidote for erectile dysfunction.

Her breasts are amazing.

 

[Sega Genesis]

I can't imagine that most 1998-2002 females would be interested in my Great Recession experiences because it would be more difficult for them to emotionally connect to these experiences

^^It's not about a woman 'emotionally connecting' to your experiences, it's about being interested in your experiences because she cares about and is interested in YOU.

There's a distinct difference.

Naturally you can't Imagine it, you have never experienced this type of connection/chemistry with a woman so it's understandable that you have zero idea what I'm referring to or talking about?

Which is fine, we can agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Only to say that IMO any woman (no matter what her age) who is uninterested or bored with hearing about your various experiences in life and getting to know all of who you are as a man and human being (the good, bad and ugly) is not a woman you should ever consider having a LTR with or marrying.

It's funny because I cannot imagine myself or any woman with high interest in a man NOT wanting to talk about and learn these things about him even though I myself never experienced it.

Different strokes...

 

[Sega Genesis]

It's funny because I cannot imagine myself or any woman with high interest in a man NOT wanting to talk about and learn these things about him even though I myself never experienced it.

^^Like in Brady's case, you think a highly interested woman wouldn't want to talk about and learn about his experiences playing football?

I mean if I'm reading you right, why would she? She's never played football so obviously she can't 'emotionally connect' to it, therefore she's not interested?

That's just one example. It could be anything you experienced.

The recession, anything.

Otherwise the relationship sounds quite shallow and superficial (to me) but again different strokes.

Apologies SW, I am just trying to wrap my head around your thought process, that's all.

Just as you are probably trying to wrap your head around mine! Lol

But we can agree to disagree.

 

[SW15]

^^Like in Brady's case, you think a highly interested woman wouldn't want to talk about and learn about his experiences playing football?

I mean if I'm reading you right, why would she? She's never played football so obviously she can't 'emotionally connect' to it, therefore she's not interested?

It is interesting and it is good that you bring up Tom Brady's case. I think women would be more interested in his money than his experiences playing football.

Brady had a very public job as an NFL player for 20+ years and now he's a leading broadcaster on NFL games.

Some women might have watched some of his games as a pro football player. I'm sure there are women who didn't watch any of his games.

Women are going to be more into Tom Brady's looks and money more so than being able to connect with him about playing football.

I don't think that we can to agree to disagree. I think we can meet in the middle on some of these things. I regularly meet somewhere in the middle with various male posters too on certain topics.

If a woman is interested in me, it's more about who I am as a person more so than my experiences of cultural touchstones that a woman might not have experiences herself due to an age gap.

In the early stages of mating interactions, I barely discuss my work. I like to discuss my hobbies and who I am as a person more. I like when a woman is interested in me due to personal attributes. There are also times where I have some common hobbies with women.

I haven't done much big age gap dating over time though. I've tended to have more interactions with slightly younger women.

 

[Sega Genesis]

I keep forgetting I'm on a men's seduction forum!

It is interesting and it is good that you bring up Tom Brady's case. I think women would be more interested in his money than his experiences playing football.

Women are going to be more into Tom Brady's looks and money more so than being able to connect with him about playing football.

Agree some women would. They're called
golddiggers. Brady's an intelligent guy, my guess is he can see right through those types and couldn't be bothered.

Perhaps another reason why he clicks with Sophia? Possibly.

Have you ever seen the movie Against All Odds? It's from the 80's with a hot Jeff Bridges as an ex-pro football player who was kicked off the team due to an injury.

An equally hot Rachel Ward played his girlfriend.

Her mother owned the team he got kicked off of!

She literally hated football players but when she met him - wowza! There was an immediate tension and chemistry that went beyond his money, looks (or hers)!

There was a bedroom scene where they were laying in bed after sex and he was telling her about a play he fumbled that nearly cost him his career!

Earlier SHE had shared with him the suicide of her brother.

Anyway...

He wanted her to know all about it and he literally said it was because he wanted her to know the real him, all of it, the good times and painful times!

The look on her face! She listened intently and quickly connected with his pain even though she herself never experienced what he had just told her.

It was a very moving scene and he fell in love with her that night.

To me, that's the type of woman you or any man should want.

Not women who are all about money, looks, status. Screw that.

I mean looks are important obviously and how successful a man is but that should not override feeling a genuine chemistry/connection with each other.

I do realize there are many of these shallow superficial types roaming around, flaunting themselves on IG, Only Fans and SM etc.

So you may have to look harder assuming you yourself want that type of connection. You may not which is okay too!

For me, I'd rather be alone than settle for anything less.

 

[SW15]

Have you ever seen the movie Against All Odds?

Yes, I have seen that movie. It's worth discussing how realistic its portrayals of human relationships and real life are. There was a car chase scene in it that was highly unrealistic. It would be impossible to race down Sunset Boulevard in Los Angeles in the middle of the day on a Saturday, both in 1983 when this was filmed (movie was released in early 1984) and in more modern times.

It was an entertaining movie, even if there were elements of it that weren't fully realistic.

equally hot Rachel Ward played his girlfriend.

I didn't understand Rachel Ward's supposed sex appeal as the Jessie Wyler character. In 1983 when this was filmed, Rachel Ward had short hair. She had a slender physique and that was good. However, her less than shoulder length hair makes her less attractive. It's difficult to believe that 2 men are going to form a love triangle fighting for some woman with a less classically feminine hairstyle. I think someone else should have been cast for that role.

She literally hated football players but when she met him - wowza! There was an immediate tension and chemistry that went beyond his money, looks (or hers)!

Not exactly. She was a bit rude to him when he first spotted her buying fruit from a street vendor. Somehow, he was able to break through that initial resistance. This isn't unrealistic, but not fully realistic either.

There was a bedroom scene where they were laying in bed after sex and he was telling her about a play he fumbled that nearly cost him his career!

Earlier SHE had shared with him the suicide of her brother.

Anyway...

He wanted her to know all about it and he literally said it was because he wanted her to know the real him, all of it, the good times and painful times!

The look on her face! She listened intently and quickly connected with his pain even though she herself never experienced what he had just told her.

It was a very moving scene and he fell in love with her that night.

To me, that's the type of woman you or any man should want.

The character of Jessie Wyler isn't someone that a man should have wanted long term. She perpetuated a love triangle. In more modern terms, Jessie Wyler would have been called a narcissist or self-absorbed at the very least. She was a rich spoiled young woman who was the daughter of an owner a professional sports team.

In real life, Mallory Edens would be a real life example of a modern Jessie Wyler. She's the daughter of one of the owners of the Milwaukee Bucks professional basketball team. She briefly dated a professional football player in the same market.

https://people.com/sports/who-is-mallory-edens-aaron-rodgers/

Some of the relationship stuff between Jessie Wyler and Jeff Bridges' Terry Brogan character could be considered realistic. I could understand Jessie mentioning her brother's suicide. It was less obvious why Terry mentions that one play from a game. Even Jessie had that reaction to an extent in the movie. I think Terry overshared there. Plenty of men overshare details and it often costs them attraction.

If we want to connect this back to Tom Brady, the Terry-Jessie relational dynamic would have been more realistic between Tom Brady and Sydney Sweeney (older man, younger woman) than Tom Brady and Sofia Vergara.

 

[Sega Genesis]

@SW15
Your take on the movie is interesting! Some things I agree with like the car racing scene but it was still exciting to watch!

The short hair? Your opinion is valid however I think things like that are subjective; I (and my boyfriend who I watched with a couple of months ago) thought she was gorgeous! They both were!

Despite her being somewhat rude to him when they first met, I still felt the tension between them. HE even yelled out after she sarcastically said CYA while driving away on her motor bike - "you sure about that?!

So yeah the mutual attraction was definitely there despite her bytch shield.

I mean consider how HE spoke to her? Not exactly kind or nice was it? In fact when she showed up at his hotel room unannounced, he was borderline nasty!

But yet at the time he was wildly attracted to her, that was obvious at least to me.

Jess felt it too! Despite his less than enthusiastic welcome.

And she ended up asking when he was leaving the island, gave him her address and directions and said "Don't leave without saying goodbye."

Attraction isn't always polite. Or "nice." In fact sometimes it can be just the opposite! It's a byproduct of the tension early in.

So in that sense. I thought that whole scene was quite realistic!

I don't think she "created" the triangle, circumstances being what they were, it became a triangle.

Re the bedroom scene when he shared his football story, not sure how you can say he "overshared" and risked losing her attraction?

At first she told him he didn't have to tell her but he wanted to - he wanted her to "know" him.

And she responded quite empathetically saying "it's still torturing you isn't it?" while kissing his face and him embracing her saying "oh Jess "

They became closer after that and fell in love!

I'm not suggesting all men should open up like that, it depends on so many things!

I only brought it up to show what that type of chemistry and connection looks like versus basing one's attraction on age, money, status.

She loved him A LOT despite all the BS. I mean she murdered a man to save his life!

She didn't have to. She could've have simply run away but she didn't.

Back to Tom, as I said earlier, on paper and by society's standards, Sydney may seem like a better deal.

But attraction/chemistry/connection isn't about some arbitrary list we check off like the right age, the right amount of money, right amount of
hotness, status etc.

It's about human emotions and mutual energies connecting which are intangible and impossible to define.

JMO!!

 

[SW15]

to Tom, as I said earlier, on paper and by society's standards, Sydney may seem like a better deal.

Sydney Sweeney is a better deal for Tom Brady. It might have been a one night stand between the two or nothing substantial might have happened. Many men want to have sex with Sydney Sweeney because of the size and shape of her breasts.

Sydney is almost 20 years younger than Tom. If I had an option with a 22 year old right now, I would find that appealing.

attraction/chemistry/connection isn't about some arbitrary list we check off like the right age, the right amount of money, right amount of
hotness, status etc.

It's about human emotions and mutual energies connecting which are intangible and impossible to define.

This is a valid point of view. I think there are a lot of men and women that use arbitrary lists in seeking romantic/sexual interactions. White women in the United States are well known for their arbitrary 6'0" height standard. There are memes about this and women's perception of the difference between 5'11" and 6'0".

Now I will go on to stuff about the move Against All Odds. You had some good quotes there. I appreciate you bringing it up and I think this is a good conversational piece. Despite the plot holes that I am about to expose here, I think it was an entertaining movie and I enjoyed watching it. It seems like you liked the movie as well. For those who haven't seen this movie, I have plot spoilers below in it.
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I don't think she "created" the triangle, circumstances being what they were, it became a triangle.

It is a key plot line in the movie that an attraction triangle existed between a nightclub owner/bookie, the daughter of a professional football team owner, and an aging football player who had played in the NFL 10+ years. Both a nightclub owner and a long time professional football player have sexual abundance. While sexual abundance would have been different in 1983-1984 than in the internet era of 2000-present, it still existed then. It's somewhat of a stretch to believe that a triangle would have formed based on circumstances. Both guys would have had options with other women. The nightclub owner/bookie isn't going to care about some spoiled brat biatch. He's going to move on with his life because he'll be able to have sex with other women easily due to being a nightclub owner who drives a Ferrari. Even if one thinks that he wouldn't have moved on as easily I think he would have, other circumstances would have prevented the formation of the triangle.

In order for those circumstances to emerge, one would have to suspend belief on a number of circumstances that are highly improbable based upon how NFL teams operate personnel matters now and even operated those matters back in 1983-1984. The TLDR version of this is that it would have been essentially impossible for Jeff Bridges' Terry Brogan character to end up in Mexico seeking the ex-girlfriend of a nightclub owner and daughter of the team owner that employed Brogan.

1. There's a scene early in the movie where Brogan is criticized by his coach during practice for missing a block in the previous Sunday's regular season game. It is inferred that this is an early season regular season game (probably somewhere between Weeks 1-4 of an NFL season). Brogan was supposedly protecting his shoulder, which was likely injured during the previous season and he likely had offseason surgery for it. This is an issue that would NEVER have come up early in a regular season. It is something that would have been dealt with during the offseason or in pre-season games. Additionally, Brogan likely would have had contractual protections against an incident like this happening in the regular season. It's unknown what his contractual status was heading into that season, but one would have to suspend belief in some important parts of the NFL business to believe a player with 10+ years of seniority is going to be released from the team during the regular season without significant compensation and without options from other NFL teams immediately. That significant compensation would have covered his bills until next season, thus preventing his interaction with the nightclub owner/bookie from becoming reality.

2. After Brogan is cut from the Los Angeles Outlaws, he is seen calling his "agent" Steve Kirsch from a pay phone near the Outlaws locker room. While Kirsch was once his agent, Kirsch is now a legal counsel for the Outlaws. It is LIKELY that Brogan would have been informed of this change prior to it happening. He would not have needed Kirsch's secretary to tell him to call that other agent named Hal Schumacher. Brogan would have called Hal Schumacher immediately. The scenes between Brogan and Kirsch prior to Brogan departing for Mexico (crucial scenes in creating reasons why Brogan went to Mexico) have no basis in reality based on the NFL business model of the time or even today.

3. Even if one could suspend belief in items 1 & 2, there's a scene where Brogan ends up face-to-face with Mrs. Wyler, who has inherited the Outlaws team as a result of becoming widowed from Mr. Wyler. At the Riviera Country Club, Mrs. Wyler offers Brogan his roster spot back on the Outlaws. If things even got to this point (unlikely based on 1 & 2), there's a 100% chance that Brogan re-joins the Outlaws when Mrs. Wyler makes this offer. When that happens, there is no Mexico trip, no attraction/sexual triangle, and no movie.

Despite her being somewhat rude to him when they first met, I still felt the tension between them.

There's a case that there was tension there when they first met in Mexico, but I proved that Brogan would never have made it to Mexico. Without that context, that's a valid interpretation.

HE even yelled out after she sarcastically said CYA while driving away on her motor bike - "you sure about that?!

the mutual attraction was definitely there despite her bytch shield.

Agree

I mean consider how HE spoke to her? Not exactly kind or nice was it? In fact when she showed up at his hotel room unannounced, he was borderline nasty!

But yet at the time he was wildly attracted to her, that was obvious at least to me.

Jess felt it too! Despite his less than enthusiastic welcome.

And she ended up asking when he was leaving the island, gave him her address and directions and said "Don't leave without saying goodbye."

Attraction isn't always polite. Or "nice." In fact sometimes it can be just the opposite! It's a byproduct of the tension early in.

So in that sense. I thought that whole scene was quite realistic!

Your take on that scene is valid and the scene itself has realism if the actual context I laid out above is completely ignored.

the bedroom scene when he shared his football story, not sure how you can say he "overshared" and risked losing her attraction?

At first she told him he didn't have to tell her but he wanted to - he wanted her to "know" him.

She said he didn't have to tell her that. That's an indication of oversharing. That's why I called that an overshare.

Keeping mysterious is better than oversharing in general.

she responded quite empathetically saying "it's still torturing you isn't it?" while kissing his face and him embracing her saying "oh Jess "

They became closer after that and fell in love!

I'm not suggesting all men should open up like that, it depends on so many things!

I only brought it up to show what that type of chemistry and connection looks like

Yes, there was a chemistry and connection there. There are also a lot of times when men open up and it doesn't work out. Most of the time when men open up and show vulnerability, it doesn't work. The scene itself isn't entirely unrealistic from a red pill perspective.

In real life, a 6'0"+ fit guy with NFL money might be able to get away with this behavior and keep attraction, but the typical 5'9"-5'10" male with a more modest physique and income isn't going to have the same outcome.