"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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toastmasters is worthy?

cof33

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who got experiences wit this? personally i think powerful comunication is above all when it comes to women even above looks,because you can easily create status an power if you good at it.

I live alone and i tried the read loud thing but its just too akward and gets boring plus i want a long term thing so speakin to a public sounds great(could get me some balls to open up hb groups)...


so toastmasters seems legit anyone got experiences wit it?
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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I've not been but it's definitely something I'd like to try in the future. It's not necessarily something I think would help with women but I figure being good at public speaking is a very good skill to have.

I'd be keen to hear if anyone else has tried it out though.
 

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I've never done Toastmasters but I can say with a lot of authority: NEVER underestimate the power of being able to stand in front of a group of strangers and speak confidently, wittily and with conviction.
There is absolutely no downside to acquiring this skill and I have no doubt it will help in your interactions with women.
 

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I did toastmasters for a year or two. I definately recommend it, it makes you uncomfortable and challenges you and you pick up some good skills.

The best part is being around people that are good speakers and who are very supportive, it is pretty fun too. My speaking skills and confidence improved alot from it, and this is coming from somebody who back at school at one point I refused to do a speech in front of the class.

Every now and then I think about going back to it but haven't.

Basically you are assigned a role at the start, whether it be timekeeper, evaluator for table topics (will explain in a minute), a person who counts 'ums'. Then they have a set thing, there is an introduction where you're all given a subject and talk about it briefly, going around the room. Then table topics is similar but a couple of people are chosen and have to talk longer about something random, it could even be something you've never even thought of before or know nothing about and you have to learn how to think on your feet. Then there is usually the prepared speeches.

You go through a manual and do different kinds of speeches and get judged on it, and even get a mentor. It's a pretty good and positive place to be.
 

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Greasy Pig said:
I've never done Toastmasters but I can say with a lot of authority: NEVER underestimate the power of being able to stand in front of a group of strangers and speak confidently, wittily and with conviction.
There is absolutely no downside to acquiring this skill and I have no doubt it will help in your interactions with women.
thats exactly what iam talkin people talk about looks but i see guys gettin it just for the simple fact they comunication skills are above average...
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Dominance said:
I did toastmasters for a year or two. I definately recommend it, it makes you uncomfortable and challenges you and you pick up some good skills.

The best part is being around people that are good speakers and who are very supportive, it is pretty fun too. My speaking skills and confidence improved alot from it, and this is coming from somebody who back at school at one point I refused to do a speech in front of the class.

Every now and then I think about going back to it but haven't.

Basically you are assigned a role at the start, whether it be timekeeper, evaluator for table topics (will explain in a minute), a person who counts 'ums'. Then they have a set thing, there is an introduction where you're all given a subject and talk about it briefly, going around the room. Then table topics is similar but a couple of people are chosen and have to talk longer about something random, it could even be something you've never even thought of before or know nothing about and you have to learn how to think on your feet. Then there is usually the prepared speeches.

You go through a manual and do different kinds of speeches and get judged on it, and even get a mentor. It's a pretty good and positive place to be.
sounds great
 

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I had a gf who was in it and went to some of her meetings. She joined because English was not her native language. Remember when you go that the people there are not necessarily all expert speech-givers. Most of them joined because they are bad at public speaking, but are trying to get better. Considering that more people fear public speaking than fear their own death, I think that is admirable. The late and great sales trainer Zig Ziglar said, "do what you fear most and you will control your fear."
 

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I am joining toastmasters this thursday..nice information on it bible_belt, i have the most craziest fear of public speaking and social anxiety. The future is looking very promising for me
 
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