"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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cof33

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who got experiences wit this? personally i think powerful comunication is above all when it comes to women even above looks,because you can easily create status an power if you good at it.

I live alone and i tried the read loud thing but its just too akward and gets boring plus i want a long term thing so speakin to a public sounds great(could get me some balls to open up hb groups)...


so toastmasters seems legit anyone got experiences wit it?
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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I've not been but it's definitely something I'd like to try in the future. It's not necessarily something I think would help with women but I figure being good at public speaking is a very good skill to have.

I'd be keen to hear if anyone else has tried it out though.
 

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I've never done Toastmasters but I can say with a lot of authority: NEVER underestimate the power of being able to stand in front of a group of strangers and speak confidently, wittily and with conviction.
There is absolutely no downside to acquiring this skill and I have no doubt it will help in your interactions with women.
 

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I did toastmasters for a year or two. I definately recommend it, it makes you uncomfortable and challenges you and you pick up some good skills.

The best part is being around people that are good speakers and who are very supportive, it is pretty fun too. My speaking skills and confidence improved alot from it, and this is coming from somebody who back at school at one point I refused to do a speech in front of the class.

Every now and then I think about going back to it but haven't.

Basically you are assigned a role at the start, whether it be timekeeper, evaluator for table topics (will explain in a minute), a person who counts 'ums'. Then they have a set thing, there is an introduction where you're all given a subject and talk about it briefly, going around the room. Then table topics is similar but a couple of people are chosen and have to talk longer about something random, it could even be something you've never even thought of before or know nothing about and you have to learn how to think on your feet. Then there is usually the prepared speeches.

You go through a manual and do different kinds of speeches and get judged on it, and even get a mentor. It's a pretty good and positive place to be.
 

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Greasy Pig said:
I've never done Toastmasters but I can say with a lot of authority: NEVER underestimate the power of being able to stand in front of a group of strangers and speak confidently, wittily and with conviction.
There is absolutely no downside to acquiring this skill and I have no doubt it will help in your interactions with women.
thats exactly what iam talkin people talk about looks but i see guys gettin it just for the simple fact they comunication skills are above average...
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Dominance said:
I did toastmasters for a year or two. I definately recommend it, it makes you uncomfortable and challenges you and you pick up some good skills.

The best part is being around people that are good speakers and who are very supportive, it is pretty fun too. My speaking skills and confidence improved alot from it, and this is coming from somebody who back at school at one point I refused to do a speech in front of the class.

Every now and then I think about going back to it but haven't.

Basically you are assigned a role at the start, whether it be timekeeper, evaluator for table topics (will explain in a minute), a person who counts 'ums'. Then they have a set thing, there is an introduction where you're all given a subject and talk about it briefly, going around the room. Then table topics is similar but a couple of people are chosen and have to talk longer about something random, it could even be something you've never even thought of before or know nothing about and you have to learn how to think on your feet. Then there is usually the prepared speeches.

You go through a manual and do different kinds of speeches and get judged on it, and even get a mentor. It's a pretty good and positive place to be.
sounds great
 

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I had a gf who was in it and went to some of her meetings. She joined because English was not her native language. Remember when you go that the people there are not necessarily all expert speech-givers. Most of them joined because they are bad at public speaking, but are trying to get better. Considering that more people fear public speaking than fear their own death, I think that is admirable. The late and great sales trainer Zig Ziglar said, "do what you fear most and you will control your fear."
 

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I am joining toastmasters this thursday..nice information on it bible_belt, i have the most craziest fear of public speaking and social anxiety. The future is looking very promising for me
 
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