To those guys still self conscious about their looks...

[War Against Betaism]

I read an interesting thing in Mystery's book the Venusian Arts Handbook. He talks about some history about how men and women look for two things in each other; replication value and survival value. Replication value is how fit and good looking someone is--he discusses how women with better looking bodies and pretty faces are said to have a higher chance for replication, which is why we find these women attractive. Survival value is how well you can survive in the world.

But the most interesting part is that 80% of our attraction switches respond to a woman's replication value, while only 20% respond to her survival value. 80% of a woman's attraction switches respond to the man's survival value, while only 20% replication.

What this means is that even if you're the sexiest guy in the planet, you've only flipped 20% of her attraction switches! You still have a lot of work ahead of yourself.

What most men misinterpret is that most of these good looking guys who have great success with women simply have great survival value, and they perceive that it is their looks that is actually getting them the women.

 

[mahon83050]

It can also be said good-looking men are more confident, hence they get more women than ugly men.

IMHO, it is near impossible to be confident if you don't like your appearance.

 

[ketostix]

I read an interesting thing in Mystery's book the Venusian Arts Handbook. He talks about some history about how men and women look for two things in each other; replication value and survival value. Replication value is how fit and good looking someone is--he discusses how women with better looking bodies and pretty faces are said to have a higher chance for replication, which is why we find these women attractive. Survival value is how well you can survive in the world.

But the most interesting part is that 80% of our attraction switches respond to a woman's replication value, while only 20% respond to her survival value. 80% of a woman's attraction switches respond to the man's survival value, while only 20% replication.

What this means is that even if you're the sexiest guy in the planet, you've only flipped 20% of her attraction switches! You still have a lot of work ahead of yourself.

What most men misinterpret is that most of these good looking guys who have great success with women simply have great survival value, and they perceive that it is their looks that is actually getting them the women.

This sounds good on the surface but under examination is crackpot theory so ugly guys will believe they have hope and potential.

Survival value is how well you can survive in the world.

What does that mean? Wealth? How is a woman determining your survival value? If you mean by survival value how well a person can influence others and how socially effective they are, then that's like saying if someone is socially successful they're socially successful. It's not saying how or what they do is attributing to their success it's just an observation of their outcomes.

I don't think you can separate replication value and survival value. A good looking woman will likely have a higher survival rate in practice.

I think any guy who's truely goodlooking to women and isn't having success is because he doesn't see the signs girls are sending him and acting on them. He's not being bold and taking risks. Girls are probably assuming he's stuck up and full of himself.

 

[Jon55]

Survival value is how well you can survive in the world.

Vague statements are vague.

 

[Bonez]

I love the way guys on these sites were raised. They argue like they still live with their parents Like its a survival tool, make excuses that your parents would believe, and you won't get kicked out.

Survival and replication are extremely vague ideas in the modern age. When things were simpler, like with birds and bees, than this would probably be true. Now though, a guy can STILL hook up with a drunk girl, can still be the nice guy and get laid, can still have nothing going for him except money or drugs, a girl will sleep with what she sees as beneficial to her at the moment. If she wants a guy who will be successful she will go with him, instead of the guy who is successful but will like turn into a screw up. She will stay with a man that beats her, just because she loves him. She will stay with the next guy she sleeps with, because she wants a steady supply of ****. It all depends on what she wants.

What we learn is... how to give a girl what she wants.

She wants value, we give value.
She wants a challenge, we give a challenge.
She wants sex, we give sex.
She wants attention, we give attention.
She wants tension, we give tension.

Not everything is simple A = B, if she wants attention, and we give tension, she finds another way to get attention... ie sex.

 

[War Against Betaism]

Survival and replication are extremely vague ideas in the modern age. When things were simpler, like with birds and bees, than this would probably be true. Now though, a guy can STILL hook up with a drunk girl, can still be the nice guy and get laid, can still have nothing going for him except money or drugs, a girl will sleep with what she sees as beneficial to her at the moment. If she wants a guy who will be successful she will go with him, instead of the guy who is successful but will like turn into a screw up. She will stay with a man that beats her, just because she loves him. She will stay with the next guy she sleeps with, because she wants a steady supply of ****. It all depends on what she wants.

Calibrate your actions into what she wants and you'll end up like all those other losers.

What does that mean? Wealth? How is a woman determining your survival value? If you mean by survival value how well a person can influence others and how socially effective they are, then that's like saying if someone is socially successful they're socially successful. It's not saying how or what they do is attributing to their success it's just an observation of their outcomes.

I don't think you can separate replication value and survival value. A good looking woman will likely have a higher survival rate in practice.

I think any guy who's truely goodlooking to women and isn't having success is because he doesn't see the signs girls are sending him and acting on them. He's not being bold and taking risks. Girls are probably assuming he's stuck up and full of himself.

Basically those badasses you see in movies. Read the book "Secrets of the Alpha Male". Even in this time and age men still emit survival value.

I've read another interesting story. Brad Pitt when he first moved to LA absolutely SUCKED at picking up women. What does this tell you? You need more than just Brad Pitt looks to get women.

 

[swifTy]

a guy with good looks has the odds with him that he will survive. why? because he is a product of all those who came before him. somewhere along the line, someone worked damm hard and it is their efforts, their survival, that ensured him his current genes and good looks. its not a guarantee that he will survive but the odds must be pretty good. at the same time, a guy with average genes and average looks can also do very well for himself. He could get lucky in the lottery or he could work his a$$ off or maybe he just gets in with the right people. He then, will pair with a girl who has good genes, and his kids will turn out even better than him, and the cycle continues.

some people are just AHEAD in the cycle. the more ahead, the easier it is. the rich get richer, the poor get poorer.

 

[Monkey]

a guy with good looks has the odds with him that he will survive. why? because he is a product of all those who came before him. somewhere along the line, someone worked damm hard and it is their efforts, their survival, that ensured him his current genes and good looks. its not a guarantee that he will survive but the odds must be pretty good. at the same time, a guy with average genes and average looks can also do very well for himself. He could get lucky in the lottery or he could work his a$$ off or maybe he just gets in with the right people. He then, will pair with a girl who has good genes, and his kids will turn out even better than him, and the cycle continues.

Eh? good looks have nothing to do with 'survival', they are simply and utterly luck.

And certainly NOT previous generations 'working' hard to pass on their looks. Thats a ridiculous statement...

 

[ChapStick]

Man, so I guess since this crap was written in a book by Mystery, that means it's true? Sheeple...

 

[swifTy]

Eh? good looks have nothing to do with 'survival', they are simply and utterly luck.

And certainly NOT previous generations 'working' hard to pass on their looks. Thats a ridiculous statement...

there is an element of luck, but within a family, if the parents are good looking, odds are, the offspring are also good looking.

good looks DO contribute to survival. are you a good looking person? if you are, surely you are aware of the treatment you get. its just easier. Also having good looks; better chance of reproduction; and with higher quality genes, lending to: SURVIVAL of those genes.

there IS a cycle. rich get richer. poor get poorer. and the beautiful get more beautiful. looks are a measure, a signal to others, of where you are in the cycle. it is not the only measure, but it is pretty strong hence why we notice the hot girls. I mean, heck, why not just hook up with the fatty with the dog face. See where that gets you.

 

[Monkey]

Theres just as many good looking hobos living on the street as there are ugly millionaires.

The physical beauty of a person is not a good gauge to the quality of their genes.

 

[War Against Betaism]

Man, so I guess since this crap was written in a book by Mystery, that means it's true? Sheeple...

And what evidence do you have to debunk this theory? Besides, it correlates well to how life works. Don't tell me you've never heard of a guy tell you that looks doesn't matter.

 

[fertileTurtle]

What this means is that even if you're the sexiest guy in the planet, you've only flipped 20% of her attraction switches! You still have a lot of work ahead of yourself.

Well, that's good news for me buddy.

 

[fertileTurtle]

good looks DO contribute to survival. are you a good looking person? if you are, surely you are aware of the treatment you get. its just easier. Also having good looks; better chance of reproduction; and with higher quality genes, lending to: SURVIVAL of those genes.

And the same could be said about rich, smart, talented, interesting, etc. people. So go out and accomplish and you will be accepted.

 

[fertileTurtle]

a guy with good looks has the odds with him that he will survive. why? because he is a product of all those who came before him. somewhere along the line, someone worked damm hard and it is their efforts, their survival, that ensured him his current genes and good looks.

You take evolution science way too far. We all have a free will to make our own decisions and genes have nothing to do with it. Dumb *ss.

 

[War Against Betaism]

Well, that's good news for me buddy.

Yeah, I'm sure it is...

 

[muscleman]

Looks are a perk to a woman, just like intelligence is a perk to a man.

Biologically:

Men seek physical beauty.

Women seek security and stability (primary manifestation of this in today's world is $$).

Everything else is secondary. To what degree depends on the person, but those are the primary concerns.

Here: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=132386

You should still look your best and hit the gym, but women aren't as concerned with looks as men are.

 

[swifTy]

You take evolution science way too far. We all have a free will to make our own decisions and genes have nothing to do with it. Dumb *ss.

i don't buy all of this freewill crap. Everyone is motivated by the best deal. Everyone wants the best they can get. the top dog. the best option. the best stock. the more he/she got the better, the more you want it.

From personal exp, when i was younger, i went out with this one girl, and by god, at the time, i wanted her so bad. I wanted what she had. Her genes, everything. Even after she disrespected the hell out of me and basically shat me out I still desired her as much as before. I had no choice. No freewill. Later, what happened was, I grew up, and I started getting closer to my potential, in looks, status, all that jazz, and now she throws herself at me. Thing is, now im the one on the higher level. There is no freewill for her. She wants what i got.

Looks are one of those things that cement you in the top dog zone. If you look around you, the most successful men, the most talented, intelligent, funniest, coolest, most alpha, more often than not have got the good looks. And if they don't its only a matter of time before they hook in to a familty that does.

I've witnessed girls dumping and getting rid of men who are making bank and gone for the hot guy who is just gettin by. It depends on the girls options, yes, maybe the girl is already financially comfortable, who knows. What i do know is that the guy with the good looks stil has the potential to earn money. The average guy doesn't have potential to get good looks.

women aren't as concerned with looks as men are.

I dunno man. The sh!t ive seen women do. In my younger days, before i was the prize, women just acted freely around me, and pretty much just treated me like i wasn't even there and i saw, i heard, i know.

You say that women are concerned with stability and security but you can say the same thing about men. Heck, i'll go with a girl who is loaded. Why not? sounds awes to me, i'll sit back and chill.

Its all about the best deal.

 

[ChapStick]

And what evidence do you have to debunk this theory? Besides, it correlates well to how life works. Don't tell me you've never heard of a guy tell you that looks doesn't matter.

Looks open doors, but it's game that gets you in! I don't disagree with you, but I think looks matters to some extent. A girl won't give you a chance if you're physically ugly to her. Some girls have said I'm downright handsome, and some girls have told me they thought I was ugly.. You can't please everyone..

I don't have as much game as I'd like.. I can easily get numbers and dates with girls, but keeping it going has been a challenge..

I'm a decent looking guy I think, but I lack game... It's something I'm trying to improve on. Guys who are not as good looking have had much more success than I have.

Oh well... COngrats to them!

 

[fertileTurtle]

Yeah, I'm sure it is...

I hear an echo.