To the so called "warm" approachers

[Reykhel]

The warm approachers...

These are the guys who in any thread that mentions day gaming are quick to belittle day gaming or the "cold approach"...

They want to redefine cold approaching, which according to them should only be performed under certain conditions....
1. you should never just go out and cold approach for the sake of cold approaching
2. you can only cold approach if you are out and about doing "something else"....for example....traveling to and from work or the gym, going shopping, going to buy weed (seriously)
3. While you're out and about doing your own thing (very important), you should scan the area for hotties and hope that one of them will drop you an IOI
4. When she drops you and IOI, smile at her and IF she returns that smile, only IF, then you may approach her...
5. You can do this in a coffee shop too. But only if it's your genuine idea to actually have a cup of coffee and then by chance a girl happens to glance at you.....approach ...(but remember your original intention was the coffee...)

So this is cold approaching, redefined and renamed as (I guess) warm approaching........

Under no circumstances must you warm approach, with the sole intention of approaching women, because then that would be cold approaching and cold approaching is bad, see.

Anyway, this seems to be the "warm approachers" rational. That cold approaching is PUA(Y) and placing woman on pedestals and a high value man attracts women in to his life automatically while he's going about his business. they just toss IOI's at you.

In my opinion, I feel that waiting for IOI's before you approach a woman is akin to waiting for her permission before you approach her like a good little beta nice guy. I believe this warm approach mentality is stemming from FEAR. Only approach a sure thing. Rationalize away why you let her go.

It also seems to be the indirect hide your d!ck mentality. Don't want to upset the woman. The feminization of game. Game has already become feminized and turned into the "self development" movement. Why. To make it politically correct. Don't want to be a low life PUA.

A man leads. A man conquers. A man goes after what he wants. A man doesn't hide his d!ck.

So I put the following hypothetical situation to the "warm approachers".....

You see a hot woman across the street.....she's a head turner. You want her....you would like to fvck her.....how do you know? you can feel it in your loins.......oh damn here's the dilemma .....she didn't fvcking see you as she's across the street walking in the opposite direction....perhaps she has her head in the clouds......switched off.....like the majority of people int he street........
...your heart races....
"I am the prize" you think..........but no IOI's......

What would you do?

According to warm approachers philosophy ....they let her go....

Why? Because they have no balls would be the logical and honest answer no? Well no of course not silly boy! It's simply because she never IOI'ed them. Never mind that she didn't have the opportunity to IOI them.......

 

[Reykhel]

The warm approachers that I can think of.......
granted no harm if "warm approaching" is your thing, but why go into a thread were the OP is asking for cold approaching advice and disparage the OP because he's cold approaching?? Why call him an amateur simply because he's cold approaching?
@ChristopherColumbus "post game/I am too good for game"
@cola "If you're going for weed and a girl throws you a stubby, you may approach
@wifehunter "never approach with the intention of approaching"
@TheGambino "Amateurs all of you! Only approach if she gives you permission" "I have a six bytch harem"
@TheMonkeyKing "approaching is for beginners"

Just curious what the warm approachers would do in said hypothetical situation?

And why they are so against the wonderful art of cold approaching aka day gaming?

Fellas what the fvck is wrong with the intention of "going out to pick up girls?" There's almost a snobbery aspect now of....."oh a high value man is always approached by women" "oh I am the prize the biatch comes to me" "oh build it and they shall knock down your door" "oh I'm beyond game and all that nonsense" "oh picking up girls is pedastalising women"

 

[cola]

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

I swung by on the off chance and noticed this thread, so I'll bite.

@TheMonkeyKing "approaching is for beginners"

I don't remember saying exactly this, but yes, there is an element of truth all the same.


THE APPROACH VS COLD APPROACHING
Approaching a (particular) woman you naturally stumble upon, and specifically going out to approach (any) women are two slightly different things...

-Approaching a particular woman while you're going about your daily business is something you still have to do, 999 times out of 1000. Despite all the new found bravado and entitlement, women still expect a man to approach them, and will not have the balls to do it themselves. Almost always. This is just the natural order or things, and has little or nothing to do with 'game'. I quite like the idea of 'warm approaching' though, as it rightly suggests relying on solid IOIs from both parties.

-Going out 'cold approaching' any woman as an exercise, though has its own merits, is different. A 25 year old nervous basement-dweller (for example) who has never even touched a girl might need this kind of thing as a foundation of confidence to build on. There's nothing wrong with it, and different things work for different people.

Personally, I took Corey Wayne's advice and just began starting conversations with random people (men and women) during my normal day. I still do this especially if I'm planning to go out the same evening; it's good to gett the mouth moving during the day as a warm up. I do go out at night to meet new people though, at least in part. But that again is slightly different because the underlying context is to socialise anyway; unlike just passing someone on the street..

You see a hot woman across the street.....she's a head turner. You want her....you would like to fvck her.....how do you know? you can feel it in your loins.......oh damn here's the dilemma .....she didn't fvcking see you as she's across the street walking in the opposite direction....perhaps she has her head in the clouds......switched off.....like the majority of people int he street

Your message here is slightly confused. This is like half and half warm/cold approach scenario.

-You're just going about your business and you see a hot girl - warm approach scenario.
-She doesn't even see you let alone acknowledge or pay you any interest - cold approach scenario.
-You consider approaching, in spite of the fact she doesn't even know you exist.

>The 'warm approach' is simply a progression of the 'cold' approach practice.

DEAMEANOR

@wifehunter "never approach with the intention of approaching"

I whole-heartedly buy this as well. Women are very socially intuitive, much more than men. More than most men will ever understand. It's their nature. Part of that intuition is gauging people's intent.

During most 'cold' approaches, a man will be giving off a level of thirst, no matter how polished he thinks his game is. The very fact of trying to strike up conversation with out any indication of any kind will have at least a whiff of suspicion about it.

However, if a girl smiles as I walk past her, and/or holds my gaze giving me the come to bed eyes, and I like the look of her, too right I'll be saying hello and introducing myself.

It's important to understand the marked difference between these to scenarios; especially the difference in potential success.


Three last points to conclude, which is one more than TMK usually provides.

-I live in a city of nearly 11 million people; I'm not going to be pining (too long) over one hot girl I let pass by, because I see at least two dozen more every single day of my life. And neither should anyone else.

-If you see a girl across a street and she's not paying you attention, she probably has noticed you, but isn't interested. Women really aren't that different from men in this respect. They are more aware of their surroundings than you think. This goes back to what we said about social intuition; knowing what we do about hypergamy, you don't think many women are continually on the look out as well? More than likely she did clock you at a distance (if she liked the look of you, and/or she's not short sighted). If she liked what she initially saw, she will give a second look.

-I get enough IOI's to keep me busy with 'warm approaches' to need to go out 'cold' approaching. When you naturally exude value as a man, women do pay you attention and give you the indication to approach.

As far as 'day game' is concerned I can almost guarantee the 'warm' approach will warrant more success than going in blind, with your d!ck figuratively hanging out.


All this being said, fortune favours the brave. So fill your boots lads.

 

[skinnyguy]

Here's what I think about cold approach. It works for many guys but hasn't worked for me so that's why I stopped doing it. I do warm approaches at meet ups and usually it works (I don't do it that often cause most meetup girls are ugly but once in a while I'm interested in one).

If you fail 99 times out of a 100 in cold approach it can wreck your confidence and make you feel ugly. While some guys say it's a numbers game, a 1% success rate is laughable at best. I'd rather spend that time making money, which I'm very good at.

Some guys who have nothing to do all day might find cold approach rewarding. But the thing is, I don't go by looks anymore. The last three girls I dated were very hot but made horrible partners. I now screen for other things before I approach a woman. I don't want to waste my time over hot women with bad attitudes. Not worth bending over backwards for them in order to get my **** wet.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

There also seems to be a geek element to cold approach. If you are a geek, and need to get over approach anxiety, then by all means practice cold approaching.

But to continue doing it, like a pinball bouncing around randomly is still geeky. The suave approach is the 'warm' approach. Here is an approach from yesterday [and from another thread]. It's hard to say whether it's cold or warm... I think it's more situational.

On the Richter scale, I'm probably a 6 maybe 7. Yesterday, I was in the queue waiting to buy a coffee when I noticed a hottie come in with an incredible shape and a pretty face [and a good age! 30 something]. She got a window seat, then joined the queue. As soon as I saw her, I knew I wanted to meet her. So I avoided eye contact [avoid the gaga look], and let her check me out instead. I then went and sat in the seat next to the one she had taken... ha ha

She comes back with her coffee and breakfast, opens her book, and I open her with 'You look busy'. A delightful conversation ensued for twenty minutes - she was not only super cute but intelligent with a friendly personality. She left to go teach her class shortly after we exchanged numbers. A good chance of seeing this one again

Rather than being about the external situation, I think the 'cold' and 'warm' approach to approaching women reflects differing frames of mind. Cold approach is where you have the pre-conceived notion to go out and meet women in general. You are on a mission! Warm approach is where meeting a particular woman is like a happy accident in the normal course of your life. The second is more romantic, and more likely to lead to a quality woman/ relationship... if that is what you are looking for.

 

[devilkingx2]

In my opinion, I feel that waiting for IOI's before you approach a woman is akin to waiting for her permission before you approach her like a good little beta nice guy. I believe this warm approach mentality is stemming from FEAR. Only approach a sure thing. Rationalize away why you let her go.

to be fair the only part of the "warm approach" guys philosophy that is good advice is that you shouldn't waste time approaching girls unlikely to be interested or give you the time of day

and sometimes you can't approach because if you get a bad rep it'll follow you

aside from that I agree with you

 

[devilkingx2]

So I put the following hypothetical situation to the "warm approachers".....

You see a hot woman across the street.....she's a head turner. You want her....you would like to fvck her.....how do you know? you can feel it in your loins.......oh damn here's the dilemma .....she didn't fvcking see you as she's across the street walking in the opposite direction....perhaps she has her head in the clouds......switched off.....like the majority of people int he street........
...your heart races....
"I am the prize" you think..........but no IOI's......

What would you do?

According to warm approachers philosophy ....they let her go....

Why? Because they have no balls would be the logical and honest answer no? Well no of course not silly boy! It's simply because she never IOI'ed them. Never mind that she didn't have the opportunity to IOI them.......

to be fair, chasing a stranger down the street is a bad idea, and a head turningly hot girl would be one of the hardest possible approaches so I wouldn't fault anyone for not doing that