“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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This woman is nearly as old to be your mom. Why. The. Fvck. are you trying so hard? You came off like a cool dude on the date, but your desperate side came raging out. She has you by the balls because you can't keep your emotions in check. Your little hamster got Beta Blasted.

Neon Owl said:
So we were txting tonight and after a while I ask her what films she likes.
She tells me she's not really into films, so I ask her why she agreed to go to the cinema with me if she's not into films. She replies saying 'I won't go then'...jesus christ talk about sensitive!!
Put your palms flat on the wall. Now, try to push. Push harder. Feel that? The harder you push, the more you get pushed away.

What did you expect her, AS A WOMAN, to say when you called her out?
Never propose a movie date unless you have stuck your goddamn Neon Owl in her Hooter.
Neon Owl said:
So I txt her back saying 'don't be like that I was just wondering. I still want to meet you. Thought you had a good time with me?'
No reply so I end up calling her but she doesn't answer.
Lack of option leads to desperation.

Neon Owl said:
then get a txt off her a minute later asking if I just rang her. I say yea and then she says she's sorry but she's going to bed and has to be up early.
I reply saying 'Ok then but I still want to meet you. I said I'd take you out and I keep my promises. Don't let me down Night'

No reply. WTF?
Take the hint she feels smothered. Give her some god damn space.

You build attraction during the date. You let her embrace attraction in between.

 

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Yea I realised just after I asked her why she agreed to go to the cinema that it was a bad idea. She obviously just wanted to get a chance to see me and wasn't bothered about watching a film. When I asked her why she probably got embarrassed about me confronting her on it. I didn't mean it like that though.

How would you have played it once she said 'I won't go then'?
 

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BeginningDJ said:
Put your palms flat on the wall. Now, try to push. Push harder. Feel that? The harder you push, the more you get pushed away.

Best analogy yet! I like that.


OWL, forget about what you should have said/done. When a girl acts like that, they should be ignored.

The thing to do now is go ghost on her.

She'll probably get back to you within 1-2 weeks if she's still interested. But Maybe not. Don't fret about it.

There are other hot (kidless) women out there you can be scoring with, now go find another one and stop thinking of this girl.

This is the perfect opportunity to train yourself (difficult as it may be) to not revert to AFC'isms / scarcity.

Only get back to her "IF" she gets back to you and wait a few hours when you do. The ball is in her court.
 

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She's certainly nutty and I still think you should have banged her sooner than later. She's confused by you since most guys would have banged her.

Neon Owl said:
So we were txting tonight and after a while I ask her what films she likes.
Would need to see the texts that led up to this.

She tells me she's not really into films, so I ask her why she agreed to go to the cinema with me if she's not into films. She replies saying 'I won't go then'
Something tells me the seed for this was planted in earlier texts.

So I txt her back saying 'don't be like that I was just wondering. I still want to meet you. Thought you had a good time with me?'
Super AFCness there. I think you threw cold water on her p*ssy with those lines.

No reply so I end up calling her but she doesn't answer. then get a txt off her a minute later asking if I just rang her. I say yea and then she says she's sorry but she's going to bed and has to be up early.
Rejection

I reply saying 'Ok then but I still want to meet you. I said I'd take you out and I keep my promises. Don't let me down ;) Night'
Final nail in the coffin.

No reply. WTF?
Are you really surprised?

I'm gonna call her tomorrow and try again and if she doesn't answer I'm nexting this crazy woman.
That will be a waste of time. You're done.
 

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I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that she says she has never been to a movie theater or a restaurant? Does not compute. Is she an alien? Been living in a cave most of her life? I mean think about that for a second. Then think some more. Has never been out to eat.....ever. Has never been to watch a movie? In todays world, how can that happen? I don't think it can.

Either she is a liar, or the most crazy, insane, sheltered person alive in the world today. Neither option is good.

I would go NC. Do not spend any more money on this girl. Do not spend any more time on this girl. IF she calls or texts you and says to come over, then go ahead. But surely you can do much better than a 42 year old MILF...right?
 

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Neon Owl said:
She told me by txt that she hopes I'm not expecting sex on the first date

Though she has pics of herself in her bra on her profile

She's not been flirty with me at all yet and seems a bit stand offish

She even disqualified herself before I got her number by saying she doesn't think I'm her type and wished me good luck in my search.

she said it's because she's too old for me

Funny thing is about 3 hours before the date she txt me saying she didn't think it was a good idea that we meet up as I hadn't got in touch all day

Anyway, she turns up 10 mins late

I notice she won;t look at me and is standing sideways looking into the distance as we're talking. She might turn and look at me for a second but then she looks away again
From how she is acting, it doesn't seem like she was really into you. More like she was giving you a chance. You don't have to game older women at all. They are very easy to hook up with because they like the idea of sleeping with younger men. It makes them feel like they still have it. She was blunt with you about not expecting anything. If she was attracted to you, she wouldn't say that. She would be flirty and into you. You should treat older women like you would a 21 year old hoe. You use them and then lose them. Some older women like to try to seduce younger men so you just let them and do nothing. You need experience with women before you try to date older women. If they see you have no experience, they will chew you up and spit you out. You were trying too hard with her and it shows. You shouldn't have to try hard to get with an used up older woman. Also, your living situation will hamper your dating life. The restaurant comment was weird and it seems like she was trying to turn you off on purpose. You put her on a pedestal when you shouldn't have, also being too mice to her hurt you as well.
 

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Harry Wilmington said:
Y'know where most people on this board run into problems? They go out on every first date with the goal of trying to bed this girl that night... and it shows. Women can smell the desperation of every guy they go out with because they all do the same thing. In fact, I can probably guess what your game plan will be:

1. Say something with a sexual innuendo or connotation to it
2. Initiate KINO or some kind of touching so she knows you want her
3. Suggest going somewhere alone with her (i.e. "Hey, let's continue this convo back at your place")
4. Mentioning how sexy you think she is so she'll be flattered enough to open her legs


And when you do all this stuff, she's going to think you're on this date solely to bed her, and it's going to lessen your chances of having it happen.

Now me, I've had sex with a decent amount of girls ("decent" meaning a lot for me, but not gigolo numbers since I am trying to find someone to marry), and the majority of my lays have taken place on the SECOND date (though one could argue that, since most of my first dates are coffee dates, my lays are technically taking place on the first REAL date). My secret? I act like the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of all the other guys trying to take them out.

What does this mean? On the first date, I completely throw out the idea of scoring any kind of sex with a girl. In other words, I am the one that completely takes the option off the table. It puts ME in control of when it happens, but it also takes the pressure off me to have to work so darn hard just to get a lay - I'm able to go on a date and be myself, and since I'm more focused on showing the girl a good time and having fun, there's no sense of desperation coming from my end.

Furthermore, I let her know that she's being qualified. The few times I hear a girl say something like "well, don't expect anything sexual from me on our first date," you know what I do? I respond back with, "ha ha ha, and what makes you think I'm trying to get some from you tonight? I don't even know you yet - for all I know, you could be a crazy person, and I like to take my time." Then, I spend the whole night NOT touching them and NOT trying to stare at them like I'm thirsty for their body. But I still show them a good time - I make them laugh, open doors for them, and give them ONE lightweight compliment (i.e. "that's a nice dress" or "hey, good job on the hair") .

Here's what I've discovered: do you know what happens when you don't try touching them, or mentioning sex to them? THEY become the ones that start doing it to ME! By not doing those things, it makes them question if I find them attractive, which causes them to want to do things to validate their attractiveness - things like touching me; asking me questions about my sex life or saying sexual innuendos; telling me how sexy I look (how's that for a shocker??); paying for my meal; giving me the "I want to make out with you" look... and so on.

Now, if she's throwing those types of signals at me... at that point, I could probably go in for the kill and try to get some, but I've also learned the art of patience and making them wait. So, if they're looking like they're down for a sack roll by the end of the first date, I make a note of it and wait until the second date. That way, they've had time in between the first and second date to reminisce over how good of a time they had with me on date one, which only helps to build up interest. By the time they see me on date two, they can barely control themselves!

So, in short: if you want my advice, don't try and have sex with her on the first date. Show her a good time, let her know you find her attractive, but that she's not the only one of you two making someone wait for sex. Get some drinks, some food, go in for a hug at the end of the night... and leave it at that. Then, if the date goes well and you're getting a good read on her interest level, wait 4 days to call her up, ask her out again, and try to score then - but again, don't make it the focus of your date or it won't happen. Hope this helps!
What kind of advice are you offering? Desperation? Women like strong confident men. Not passive men who hold back lacking experience. A good Don Juan should never throw out the idea of sex on a first date. Having sex should always be in your mindset, then you act accordingly to the situation. You don't act desperate for sex, but you should never automatically take it off the table like you are suggesting. You game each woman differently, then you act to what is best for your situation. You can hurt your chances by being passive and acting the same with each woman. I disagree with all of this. This is all passive advice. Not Don Juan at all.

Harry Wilmington said:
1. Say something with a sexual innuendo or connotation to it
2. Initiate KINO or some kind of touching so she knows you want her
3. Suggest going somewhere alone with her (i.e. "Hey, let's continue this convo back at your place")
4. Mentioning how sexy you think she is so she'll be flattered enough to open her legs
You are confusing this for when a woman is not into you. When a woman is into you, she will be receptive to this, when she is not, she won't be. Never take anything off the table. Take action first, and don't be passive. Better to screen out a posible flake at the earliest moment, than to waste time to be flaked on later.
 

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cordoncordon said:
I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that she says she has never been to a movie theater or a restaurant? Does not compute. Is she an alien? Been living in a cave most of her life? I mean think about that for a second. Then think some more. Has never been out to eat.....ever. Has never been to watch a movie? In todays world, how can that happen? I don't think it can.

Either she is a liar, or the most crazy, insane, sheltered person alive in the world today. Neither option is good.

I would go NC. Do not spend any more money on this girl. Do not spend any more time on this girl. IF she calls or texts you and says to come over, then go ahead. But surely you can do much better than a 42 year old MILF...right?
I thought the exact same thing when she told me. But she also said her parents were abusive and she obviously had a bad upbringing. She also told me she's been hit by her previous boyfriends and raped etc. so I guess it is possible she's just never been taken out properly in her life.
When we were eating in the restaurant she saw her son walk past so she went outside to talk to him and she said he couldn't believe she was at a restaurant lol
And while we were eating she kept saying how weird it was to be in a restaurant...I guess some people really do live crazy sheltered lives.

I know she won't contact me again even if I go NC for weeks. Her self confidence is too low to risk doing that.

I'm gonna send her a short txt tomorrow asking if she still wants to come out on friday. If I get no reply then I'm done with her. This was only ever about getting a lay I had no intention whatsoever of seeing her seriously. Would be nice to get a lay this weekend though which is why I'm even still bothering with her.
 

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May_Day said:
From how she is acting, it doesn't seem like she was really into you. More like she was giving you a chance. You don't have to game older women at all. They are very easy to hook up with because they like the idea of sleeping with younger men. It makes them feel like they still have it. She was blunt with you about not expecting anything. If she was attracted to you, she wouldn't say that. She would be flirty and into you. You should treat older women like you would a 21 year old hoe. You use them and then lose them. Some older women like to try to seduce younger men so you just let them and do nothing. You need experience with women before you try to date older women. If they see you have no experience, they will chew you up and spit you out. You were trying too hard with her and it shows. You shouldn't have to try hard to get with an used up older woman. Also, your living situation will hamper your dating life. The restaurant comment was weird and it seems like she was trying to turn you off on purpose. You put her on a pedestal when you shouldn't have, also being too mice to her hurt you as well.
Actually I do pretty well with older women, much more so than with younger girls. It's my txt game that lets me down, but face to face I'm pretty confident in most situations and have no trouble building attraction and flirting etc.

You say she wasn't really into me and was giving me a chance...then why did her attraction build from the start of the date until we left that night? At first she wouldn't even look at me as she was so nervous then by the end of the night was ready to fvck. Telling me how cute I was and that she thought I was amazing.

I thought I handled the whole date pretty fvcking well tbh it was only the next day when txting that I messed things up.
I hate txting with a passion when it comes to gaming girls. But I guess when you're dealing with one that's as messed up as this one any little thing could set her off.

And what do you mean 'The restaurant comment was weird and it seems like she was trying to turn you off on purpose' I have no clue what you're talking about?
 

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I come on this site for entertainment. I don't even follow the advice when I ask for it.
 

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Neon Owl said:
You say she wasn't really into me and was giving me a chance...then why did her attraction build from the start of the date until we left that night? At first she wouldn't even look at me as she was so nervous then by the end of the night was ready to fvck. Telling me how cute I was and that she thought I was amazing.
If she was ready to fvck, wanted to be fvcked by you, she would have fvcked you. Women can tell you anything they want, doesn't mean that it is true. She showed low interest from the start, then she rejected you. If she wanted to hook up with you, your bad text game wouldn't matter, she would still want you to bang her.


Neon Owl said:
And what do you mean 'The restaurant comment was weird
How many 42 year olds do you know that said they never been to a restaurant before? Don't you think that comment is weird?
 

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May_Day said:
What kind of advice are you offering? Desperation? Women like strong confident men. Not passive men who hold back lacking experience. A good Don Juan should never throw out the idea of sex on a first date. Having sex should always be in your mindset, then you act accordingly to the situation. You don't act desperate for sex, but you should never automatically take it off the table like you are suggesting. You game each woman differently, then you act to what is best for your situation. You can hurt your chances by being passive and acting the same with each woman. I disagree with all of this. This is all passive advice. Not Don Juan at all.
^^^yes, agreed



May_Day said:
If she was ready to fvck, wanted to be fvcked by you, she would have fvcked you. Women can tell you anything they want, doesn't mean that it is true. She showed low interest from the start, then she rejected you. If she wanted to hook up with you, your bad text game wouldn't matter, she would still want you to bang her.
She would have fvcked him if he didn't live with his parents. haha. Gotta get your own place dude, seriously. Also, think she feigned low interest. Big difference. When I see this I know I'm in. It's an act with bad acting. Same thing when they say "you can come in but we're not having sex."



May_Day said:
How many 42 year olds do you know that said they never been to a restaurant before? Don't you think that comment is weird?
I originally read this when he posted it, and as loopy as it sounds, didn't put much thought into it. Another ridiculous statement coming out of a womans mouth. Sometimes it's like they have a minor form of terrets, throwing random $hit at you, to see how you'll handle it. This woman obviously had a special case of it.
 

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You guys are using POF wrong if you're actually going on dates with these girls. At least real dates...

If a woman isn't willing to come to my house, share a few drinks/laughs with me, and hit the mattress - we'll probably never meet.

Fvck all this trying to be classy, or not letting her know it's sex.... THIS IS POF!

"I'm into sex baby, show me you can keep up and good things will happen" (that doesn't mean all we talk about is sex, it just means i'm unapologetic when it comes to being sexual)

That's pretty much my frame....

And it works... especially on POF...

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Anyway, this woman sounds like a pain in the @ss with major walls up.

This is most likely due to her apparent lack of social intelligence (+ personality). She's probably been used time and time again and, what you're seeing is years of that happening to her.

A normal woman wants a man to be sexually experienced and not afraid to take her without shame. But she also wants some amount of comfort and rapport with you.

You've probably spent too much time on the second part, which puts you in the nice guy/friend category.

A normal woman will allow a man to enter her, once he has convinced her social side to allow her primitive side to act (primitive = her side that wants the sex).

The best thing a guy can do is stimulate both sides at once! The problem is they're often fighting with each other.... But if you can make her comfortable with her inner conflicts - it's a cakewalk from there...

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The problem is this woman isn't a normal woman. She does not have a balanced personality. And she does not seek balance.

She clearly does not know how to bind with men.... She probably fvcks those that turn on her primitive side. And fvcks with the heads of those who engage her social side.

You're the later...


My advice is to move on.

Freeze her out.

Go no contact.


Find a new lamb to slaughter...

I dealt with a woman this exact same age, who was also d@mn hot for her age (pretty sure she had fake tits though). After a few days talking to her - I realized she lacked personality. She was like a d@mn robot who had been programmed with things to say. This woman doesn't sound too far off that.
 

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May_Day said:
If she was ready to fvck, wanted to be fvcked by you, she would have fvcked you. Women can tell you anything they want, doesn't mean that it is true. She showed low interest from the start, then she rejected you. If she wanted to hook up with you, your bad text game wouldn't matter, she would still want you to bang her.
She was basically asking me to take her back and fvck her...I don't know where you got the idea she wasn't ready for it. The only reaason it didn't happen is because I had no place to do it.

And she didn't reject me actually, she txt me today saying happy birthday and we started talking again. She definitely is still up for a banging and we've arranged to meet next week so you're wrong about that as well :p

bukowski, you're right she has probably been pumped and dumped by many men and treated like a wh0re. She has major issues and this was apparent to me early on in the date. Even if I have to get a hotel for the night I WILL f-close her on date #2.
I'll make sure I distance myself emotionally from her I can't afford to get entwined with another possible bpd woman. I don't think my sanity could take it lol
 
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