"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Thoughts on so-called "C&F" versus dominance

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(Aside: please, only respond if you're actually getting laid, I don't need hypothetical opinions here, lol.)

My game is "natural" now, so I never use any real techniques and tactics.

The only time I really consciously think about it is when an HB9+ is trying to dominate my reality, "test" me if you will. They do this a lot...

I used to always throw up "C&F" lines in response, but I suggest to you now that although these are decent, it is much better to just tell her to shape up or ship out.

E.g.
HB9 "God, you're such a misogynist!"
Wuss: "ohh, why do you say that?"
C&F: "And you love it!"
Dominant: "You can leave."

I've slowly transitioned from Wuss to C&F to Dominant. YOu have to have the inner game to back it up.

Basically, don't tolerate that bull****. When a hot girl is _CLEARLY_ being a b!tch and testing you, call her on it god damn it!

Don't be afraid to just say "Look, if you can't be nice to me, then get out."

I was driving an HB9 to a party today and I just said "You can walk" and she did the whole giggly "you're right, I'll behave"
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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I don't get it...... It shouldn't be c&f versus dominance it should be c&f and dominance, the 2 go together not against each other. If it is a simple test (what do you do for a living?) then c&f works great. If it is her being a silly little girl then yeah put your foot down and set the boundries. If you are always dominant and not at all funny then where is the fun side of it. Although I am a big fan of c&f it is not the be all and end all it is just part of your entire personality, you can be C&F and dominant and use some NLP and some mystery method. It is not about which is better it is about which is parts of what method you will take and use for your own
 
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HB9 "God, you're such a misogynist!"
Wuss: "ohh, why do you say that?"
C&F: "And you love it!"
Dominant: "You can leave."
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no no that dominant line just shows ur stubborness, what u shud have said:

HB9 "God, you're such a misogynist!"
C&F and Dominant: "Whats that?" (with a cheeky grin on ur face like she's trying to impress you)
 
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Re: Re: Thoughts on so-called "C&F" versus dominance

Originally posted by shumon
no no that dominant line just shows ur stubborness, what u shud have said:

HB9 "God, you're such a misogynist!"
C&F and Dominant: "Whats that?" (with a cheeky grin on ur face like she's trying to impress you)
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'mysoginist? thats a long word for a woman. nah, i know women are inferior but i love em.'

great opportunity for some playful banter about how funny women are, don't give away shyt about how you really feel about women let her wonder
 
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Re: Re: Re: Thoughts on so-called "C&F" versus dominance

Originally posted by &UWlNoMeByThTrlOPusy
'mysoginist? thats a long word for a woman. nah, i know women are inferior but i love em.'

great opportunity for some playful banter about how funny women are, don't give away shyt about how you really feel about women let her wonder
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Yep true, say something to make her wonder, but thats only u wanna lead her on, but I'm not the kinda of guy who wants to lead a girl on, because I am very picky when it comes to girls. But thats just me :)
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I'm not sure how this thread is supposed to lead to a discussion.

BUt I'll say this, thers times to be an *******, and theres times to pretend like you are clueless, and all of them will be dominance.
 
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