Thoughts on polygamy? Religion is dying, moral decline, etc...

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

I knew what this concept existed a while ago and it is kinda similar to having girls on rotation and them having you on rotation, but spinning plates is a don't ask, don't tell kind of scenario. It's also casual, no commitments etc. But I mean, if you're in a married relationship with kids and ****, and you got multiple relationships at the same time, it just kinda ****s me up to think about. I saw another forum today that was just dedicated to talking about this stuff and reading the stories messed me up. This one dude's wife basically cheats on him and he just decides to open up the relationship and they can be with whoever. He wanted to leave originally but she didn't want to once he was about to. But it's not just him, there's so many dudes out there like that who are willingly cucking themselves. And the women there, holy ****. So many of them have monogamous husbands/partners, and I don't see the flipside of dudes with many monogamous wives. I'm not trying to push some sort of chauvinistic stuff but I'll be damned if I ever believe in multiple dudes sharing one single chick and being okay with it. That is the inversion of nature itself.

Not only that, but I see so many people leaving religion and stuff. So many exchristians, exmuslims, exmormons, etc. I don't care if you are against religion for whatever reason, that's not the point. The point is, it's moral decline. And it's not even so much that they're leaving religion. It's just that when they do, they go COMPLETELY against it and decide to just be a horrible human being overall because they feel there's no point. Everyone's become so nihilistic. And I can't even blame them because there's no meaning to anything anymore. We don't form deep connections with people anymore because we're all so focused on ourselves, and we have to be because pressures just got so much ****ing harder. Rome is burning right in front of me. There's so many more LGBT crap coming out now too, and I don't know if it's because of social media or if that just brought out latent tendencies. My sister went to a private school for a while where boys and girls are completely separate. It was supposed to be a religious school but she was telling me about how like all the girls were basically bisexual. Man I really don't care that much, but to see such decline in a religious setting, it's changed. I feel sick to my stomach, it feels like everyone is changing for the worse now.

 

[Spaz]

Move to Indonesia and practice polygamy.

It's legal over there.

Women are already practically practicing polyandry to get the best sons, it's naturally hardwired in them to do so.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Women are already practically practicing polyandry to get the best sons, it's naturally hardwired in them to do so.

Polyandry is not naturally hardwired, that is completely untrue. All that would do is increase the likelihood of getting pregnant by a weaker man. Polygyny is where they share the 'best'. That's an inversion of reality.

 

[Spaz]

Polyandry is not naturally hardwired, that is completely untrue. All that would do is increase the likelihood of getting pregnant by a weaker man. Polygyny is where they share the 'best'. That's an inversion of reality.

Why do you think that wives are cheating on their husbands?

 

[Serenity]

Well, if so many people go against it then wouldn't that suggest that it's human nature? I never seem to get this whole religious moral nonsense, trying to force humans to act in ways that clearly isn't in our nature. That sort of sh!t is unhealthy and it happens anyways, just more hidden when you can't trust a fvcking soul around you.

What these people choose to do in their lives is none of your business.

I don't care if you are against religion for whatever reason, that's not the point. The point is, it's moral decline.

Since when was religion a moral authority? Religion has done the worst of crimes against humanity. The people who claims to be good is often the most immoral.

 

[sosousage]

exmuslims are a good thing. mohammed slept with 8 year old girls. + all the terrorist attacks, how come all they were done by muslims or some arabs?

 

[Epic Days]

Why do you think that wives are cheating on their husbands?

She is cheating to get better genetic material into her. This is what happens when she marries a cuck.

 

[Epic Days]

Well, if so many people go against it then wouldn't that suggest that it's human nature? I never seem to get this whole religious moral nonsense, trying to force humans to act in ways that clearly isn't in our nature. That sort of sh!t is unhealthy and it happens anyways, just more hidden when you can't trust a fvcking soul around you.

What these people choose to do in their lives is none of your business.


Since when was religion a moral authority? Religion has done the worst of crimes against humanity. The people who claims to be good is often the most immoral.

If you don't care about this civilization then I agree with you. If you want families to raise kids then I disagree with you. It's an interesting conundrum. Women are anti-civilization as their genetic program operates with or without her husband's knowledge on a very primitive basis.
The main reason why I say that women don't have moral codes. They deliver lip service but will operate on their genetic commands.

 

[sangheilios]

I personally believe that the idea of having one wife, or something similar to it, was done long ago in human history to ensure stability within a society. If you have a handful of men who have all the women and a larger percentage of men without then that is going to lead to A LOT of conflict within a group, whether that be from small tribal societies to full blown nations. The concept of having multiple wives/women has been around for a very long time as well, but the vast majority of men did not have this going for them. This was almost always something you saw with the elite of society and not something your average person would have had at the time.

The difference now is that women can have sex all the time and not get pregnant, due to contraceptives, so many of these ideas of them marrying their first man are outdated. However, it is not really in a woman's nature to have tons of sexual partners in her life, something about it is degrading to them and their spirit. Most women that you know who sleep around are not really all there, they often have some sort of underlying issues. Well adjusted women are looking for a good and stable man to settle into a relationship with, though she may have a hard time finding that and often end up with the wrong man or men.

 

[Serenity]

If you don't care about this civilization then I agree with you. If you want families to raise kids then I disagree with you. It's an interesting conundrum. Women are anti-civilization as their genetic program operates with or without her husband's knowledge on a very primitive basis.
The main reason why I say that women don't have moral codes. They deliver lip service but will operate on their genetic commands.

You seem to have a simplistic view of the world. I'm sure there's plenty of evidence both for and against your opinion, leading me to think it's not as simple as you think. If we're talking civilization as a whole you don't have to worry, the families will always exist and so will the people who don't want it.

Genes has little to do with this btw. If this genetic programming actually existed then humanity would have been fvcked a long time ago, clearly this isn't the case...

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Why do you think that wives are cheating on their husbands?

Because they aren't physically,mentally, or emotionally attached to them. They're roommates.

Well, if so many people go against it then wouldn't that suggest that it's human nature? I never seem to get this whole religious moral nonsense, trying to force humans to act in ways that clearly isn't in our nature. That sort of sh!t is unhealthy and it happens anyways, just more hidden when you can't trust a fvcking soul around you.

What these people choose to do in their lives is none of your business.


Since when was religion a moral authority? Religion has done the worst of crimes against humanity. The people who claims to be good is often the most immoral.

Firstly, it IS my business if it is impacting me and everyone else around me negatively. That's like saying how someone committing suicide isn't any of my business because it's their choice to do what they want to do. Little do they know the impact...

Religions have not done the worst crimes in humanity. Secularism has. I can't believe this argument. In what way was WWI due to religious conflict? How about WWII? Holocaust? Stalin was worse than Hitler. Pol Pot? Pogo the Clown? Jeffrey Dahmer? I know some people from Syria, the fricking MEN and children over there get raped by government soldiers, forget about women. How about the Indian Removal Act? The US decided to commit a genocide of 100 million Native Americans, was that based off religion? Actually, they decided to pass a specific law to justify it, meaning purely secular.

The problem isn't religion, it's religions. If the whole world was under one single religion, then there wouldn't be nearly as many problems. It's just that religions insult each other and they get all butthurt about each other and stuff

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

exmuslims are a good thing. mohammed slept with 8 year old girls. + all the terrorist attacks, how come all they were done by muslims or some arabs?

How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go, Alice? I can take you places you've never been to before.

How about this tidbit: The US is directly supporting Israel. Hamas, a terrorist organization against Israel, is being supported by NATO (of which the US is apart of). What does that tell you?

 

[Epic Days]

You seem to have a simplistic view of the world. I'm sure there's plenty of evidence both for and against your opinion, leading me to think it's not as simple as you think. If we're talking civilization as a whole you don't have to worry, the families will always exist and so will the people who don't want it.

Genes has little to do with this btw. If this genetic programming actually existed then humanity would have been fvcked a long time ago, clearly this isn't the case...

You are entitled to your opinion. I'm good with that. I've already seen too much and been through too much to go back now.
Please explain how it's not genetic induced to have sex with the most optimum man that she can attract and then get married and then throw away all the intimacies and moments to jump to a higher quality man. I'm just curious as to how you think.
Why do you think things happen so wide spread, so exactly? In fact you can predict it perfectly The stories and personal observations are almost identical and universal.
Is there something about evolution, at least to an observable extent, that you disagree with? It really is observable as a mutation that can even be reproduced in a lab.
You can take cells and hit them with a very harsh and potentially dangerous light and watch those cells recoil in "pain". Then over a short period of time, they mutate and devise protection from that same light being used against them. They mutate to optimize their survival potential.

As far as all of this stuff? Oh, it's very simplistic. So very simple. The only complexities that exist are when observable data comes up against social programming instilled from birth that is in conflict. This becomes a mental conflict. It can't be resolved. that's why they call it brainwashing. The individual is unable to reconcile the conflicts. Mental experiments by the Russian, German and U.S. scientists during the 40's and 50's have soundly proven this. So he defaults to the reality that he was born and raised with. Thus his own demise is his fault.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Women are anti-civilization

Can you elaborate on this?

I personally believe that the idea of having one wife, or something similar to it, was done long ago in human history to ensure stability within a society.

I strongly believe this. Sexual freedom led to decline in every civilization. I don't even think it's the cause, but just a symptom of a greater issue. If you look at EVERY civilization in history that has ever allowed homosexuality, it also allowed pedophilia too. Even some bestiality was in there too, they just hide it between the pages of history. The great Greek philosophers upon who lied down the basis for modern Western ideology, all of those engaged in pederasty (older men, younger boys). Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, these are the people that the West based their ideas off of, and they also all liked little boys. And it was the NORM. That's just screwed up. We even see it now with NAMBLA.

If you have a handful of men who have all the women and a larger percentage of men without then that is going to lead to A LOT of conflict within a group, whether that be from small tribal societies to full blown nations. The concept of having multiple wives/women has been around for a very long time as well, but the vast majority of men did not have this going for them. This was almost always something you saw with the elite of society and not something your average person would have had at the time.

The women get jaded because they can't lock down a man, he'll never commit to her anyway. The top men get jaded because now they see shallowness in women. Plus, they just reduce each other to the casual pleasure of a transient sexual interaction, and now there's no depth anymore. Not to mention, the dudes who can't get any aren't gonna be happy either. Jordan Peterson talked about this.

The difference now is that women can have sex all the time and not get pregnant, due to contraceptives, so many of these ideas of them marrying their first man are outdated. However, it is not really in a woman's nature to have tons of sexual partners in her life, something about it is degrading to them and their spirit. Most women that you know who sleep around are not really all there, they often have some sort of underlying issues. Well adjusted women are looking for a good and stable man to settle into a relationship with, though she may have a hard time finding that and often end up with the wrong man or men.

The main issue that I have with 'stable' women are that they are more colder emotionally. It's like, in order to be emotionally stable, they needed to dull out their emotions. This makes them very calculating, and as such, one has to question the sincerity of their love towards you (if you can even call it love).

 

[sangheilios]

I strongly believe this. Sexual freedom led to decline in every civilization. I don't even think it's the cause, but just a symptom of a greater issue. If you look at EVERY civilization in history that has ever allowed homosexuality, it also allowed pedophilia too. Even some bestiality was in there too, they just hide it between the pages of history. The great Greek philosophers upon who lied down the basis for modern Western ideology, all of those engaged in pederasty (older men, younger boys). Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, these are the people that the West based their ideas off of, and they also all liked little boys. And it was the NORM. That's just screwed up. We even see it now with NAMBLA.

While I personally have nothing against gay people, what you mentioned about social acceptance of homosexuality has historically been correlated with a decline of society. It's not the acceptance of homosexuality that is the actual issue, but from there it begins a downward spiral towards other things that are for sure detrimental to the stability of a society.

We can use our current western culture as an example. Homosexuality has relatively recently become to a general sense acceptable in society, where gay people are able to get married, they are open about their sexuality, it is included in movies, t.v, etc. However, from there it started spiraling into the full blown mentally ill nonsense we have now about transgendered individuals. In the field of psychiatry it is well documented that genderdysphoria often emerges around your teenage years, but over 90% of the case totally go away on their own without any intervention what so ever. However, now the SJWs are trying desperately to push this legitimate mental illness as instead normal and is instead encouraging this.

The issue, which you also mentioned, is that with this logic we could also say that pedophilia and other legitimately deviant behavior can be argued as "normal" and have that become an acceptable part of our society. There are actually a lot of very interesting parallels between the decline of the Roman Empire and current western civilization, and some of the things we are discussing here are shared similarities. I personally do not think this is all a well executed plan that is being carried out but is instead a culmination of various political and social factors that have occurred over the past century, particularly around WW2 and after.

In regards to specifically females and their sexual freedom, any individual with half a brain can make some observations today and see that many women truly have no idea of who to choose for partners. Look at the overwhelming number of single mothers out there, this was virtually unheard of just 50 years ago and yet now it is slowly becoming the norm, even for white America. An entire society having a bulk of it's children being raised in fatherless homes is not conducive to it's strength and stability as a whole, anyone can look at criminal statistics and basic social functioning and see that this is the case.

 

[Epic Days]

Can you elaborate on this?

Sure. I had to really think and extrapolate in this one myself.

This is rather hard to confront but it’s important.
The largest jump, hands down, in civilization took place when the church went into agreement with the old testament and the Jewish doctrine about the nature of women. Now keep in mind that with the Jews it was only Jewish women being held to a standard. Not gentiles (non Jewish women). In fact is was the Jewish leadership that spread pornography throughout the world so don’t give them a pass if you think pornography is a degradation of society.

So the church and common beliefs throughout the world as they started to develop, learned that they had to put restrictions on women due to their sexual nature and of course their, hypergamous nature.
Men, if they thought they would have access to more women instead of just the frumpy ones left over after polygamy allowed the leadership and royalty to snap up the best women, they would be happier and more willing to work and build.
They also understood the nature of men as well. Men will work and go to the ends of the earth for access to pvssy and wives to bear children.

So in essence, men had access to women and they would work their a$$es off to keep them. This is how men were organized to build. They literally built civilization.

The problem was women still had primitive DNA and their X chromosomes combine from generation to generation so it won’t change. As long as women can live long enough to procreate, there is no need for evolution to change their nature. It’s important to understand this concept that their nature will not change as long as they can live long enough to give birth. What happens after that, the genome doesn’t care.

So civilization was built on top of a woman’s primitive DNA and X chromosome. In reality, civilization has been suppressing their free genome expression. Hypergamy or what we call “hypergamy”. She cannot will this away. No amount of religion or talking can change this. This is why she is emotional. Her emotions dictate her actions. This is called “survival strategy”.

Everything a woman says or does is in some way a reflection of her procreation imperative. Nothing else matters. She won’t be constrained. Even in countries where she can be executed, ten to 15 percent of the people walking around? Their father is not who they think it is. EVERYTHING a woman does is a reflection of their drive to procreate.

Feminism was initiated by the Bolsheviks. Communists. What group started communism is a different subject so I will leave it alone. The idea was to rip civilization apart so that individualism could be eliminated. To do that the family structure of civilization had to be destroyed. Feminism is the tool to do this and it is working quite well.

Present day. Women voted in the correct people to get laws enacted to support the primitive procreation strategy that exist in them. They fully understand the nature of themselves and all other women. Soon they got soy boys and other degenerates to ally up with them. They are not being evil, per say. They are removing barriers set by civilization to successfully execute their breeding strategy. So in effect, women are anti civilization because they are removing constraints to their sexual behavior and obtaining free reign over sex. Civilization will fall. If they were all about “Tall dark and handsome” as they claim, why are they with ridiculous versions of men? LOL
Game is nothing more than mimicking the markers recognized by her DNA that will release Chemicals and cause her to want to have sex with the man expressing those markers. It’s a trick to get her biology to give up the pvssy. She has absolutely no control over her feelings of sexual attraction. She does have the power to walk away but the present constraint free western civilization saddled with socialistic and communistic use of feminism, she has to believe that she has the most valuable man she can attract right now or she will jump ship. Zero emotion. Zero remorse. Men are completely mystified at it's callousness.

There is always uncertainty so she will spend years reducing her LTR or husband into a quivering cuck, then act. The man must be optimized. Only the optimized masculine man will counteract this.

Everything I just wrote is verifiable and scientifically substantiated. There is no debate. The cure is optimizing men even higher than they have ever been. Women will not change. But men can because we have fantastic minds and can see the value in rewriting our thought processes to be aware and immune to the most manipulative creature on the planet. Woman.

She is not being evil. She is surviving. This is also why I’ve said that women don’t have moral codes. If in any way, a moral code is an obstruction to her primitive breeding strategy, she will take it underground and execute clandestine sex. Those chemicals are so powerful that only being connected to an optimized, masculine, man will stop her.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Sure. I had think really think and extrapolate in this one myself.

This is rather hard to confront but it’s important.
The largest jump, hands down, in civilization took place when the church went into agreement with the old testament and the Jewish doctrine about the nature of women. Now keep in mind that with the Jews it was only Jewish women being held to a standard. Not gentiles (non Jewish women). In fact is was the Jewish leadership that spread pornography throughout the world so don’t give them a pass.

So the church and common beliefs throughout the world as they started to develop learned that they had to put restrictions on women due to their sexual nature and of course their, hypergamous nature.
Men, if they thought they would have access to more women instead of just the frumpy ones left over after polygamy allowed the leadership and royalty to snap up the best women, they would be happier and more willing to work and build.
They also understood the nature of men as well. Men will work and go to the ends of the earth for access to pvssy and wives to bear children.

So in essence, men had access to women and they would work their a$$es off to keep them. This is how men were organized to build. They literally built civilization.

The problem was women still had primitive DNA and their X chromosomes combine so it won’t change. As long as women can live long enough to procreate, there is no need for evolution to change their nature. It’s important to understand this concept that their nature will not change as long as they can live long enough to give birth. What happens after that the genome doesn’t care.

So civilization was built on top of a woman’s primitive DNA and X chromosome. In reality, civilization has been suppressing their free genome expression. Hypergamy or what we call “hypergamy”. She cannot will this away. No amount of religion or talking can change this. This is why she is emotional. Her emotions dictate her actions. This is called “survival strategy”.

Everything a woman says or does is in some way a reflection of her procreation imperative. Nothing else matters. She won’t be constrained. Even in countries where she can be executed, ten to 15 percent of the people walking around? Their father is not who they think it is.

Feminism was initiated by the Bolsheviks. Communists. What group started communism is a different subject so I will leave it alone. The idea was to rip civilization apart so that individualism could be eliminated. To do that the family structure of civilization had to be destroyed. Feminism is the tool to do this and it is working quite well.

Present day. Women voted in the correct people to get laws enacted to support the primitive procreation strategy that exist in them. They fully understand the nature of themselves and all other women. Soon they got soy boys and other degenerates to ally up with them. They are not being evil, per say. They are removing barriers set by civilization to successfully execute their breeding strategy. So in effect, women are anti civilization because they are removing constraints to their sexual behavior and obtaining free reign over sex. If they were all about “Tall dark and handsome” as they claim, why are they with ridiculous versions of men? LOL
Game is nothing more than mimicking markers recognized by her DNA that will release Chemicals and cause her to want to have sex with the man expressing those markers. It’s a trick to get her biology to give up the pvssy. She has absolutely no control over her feelings of sexual attraction. She does have the power to walk away but the present constraint free western civilization saddled with socialistic and communistic use of feminism, she has to believe that she has the most valuable man she can attract right now.

There is always uncertainty so she will spend years reducing her LTR or husband to a quivering cuck, then act. The man must be optimized.

Everything I just wrote is verifiable and scientifically substantiated. There is no debate. The cure is optimizing men even higher than they have ever been. Women will not change. But men can because we have fantastic minds and can see the value in rewriting our thought processes to be aware and immune to the most manipulative creature on the planet. Woman.

She is not being evil. She is surviving. This is also why I’ve said that women don’t have moral codes. If in any way, a moral code is an obstruction to her primitive breeding strategy, she will take it underground and execute clandestine sex. Those chemicals are so powerful that only being connected to an optimized, masculine, man will stop her.

I see your point, but I don't think that is the case. If it were true, then civilization never would have been able to be built. I do blame feminism, but I blame it for a different reason. Firstly, it's important to understand the modes of reasoning that men use, vs women. The main mode of reasoning for men is logic. For women, it's logical fallacies. That's why they say it's hard to win arguments with women and that they're more emotional. Logical fallacies are emotionally charged most of the time. Secondly, when feminism came along, it used the logical fallacy of "if you don't vote for in favor of women, you do not believe in human rights", which due to being a logical fallacy meant it resonated with women.

The fact of the matter is, women already had 'equal rights'; they just did not have equal roles. Not because of sexism, but because of biological differences making it as such. Feminism corrupted women by marketing 'freedom', which implied that they weren't free to begin with (untrue). And once women were corrupted, men soon followed, because the most beautified thing for men is women.

 

[wifehunter]

 

[LiveYourDream]

The main issue that I have with 'stable' women are that they are more colder emotionally. It's like, in order to be emotionally stable, they needed to dull out their emotions. This makes them very calculating, and as such, one has to question the sincerity of their love towards you (if you can even call it love).

ITDG, good to see you! I wonder about the sample size that led you to see only two choices. What you speak of may primarily reflect your own personal experience to date and/or what you primarily see portrayed in the main stream media or on sites like this.

In my experience a COLD woman is not a healthy woman. A perpetually unstable woman is not a healthy woman. Those are the only two choices I see you offering. I suggest you open to the possibility of more options. Expand your perspective so you can start to find and meet and connect with another type of woman and experience her. That would be a healthy, grounded woman whose core nature is warm, loving and caring, as well as affectionate. I suggest you go for option three, ITDG. I think you will be glad you did and a happier man for it.

 

[sosousage]

How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go, Alice? I can take you places you've never been to before.

How about this tidbit: The US is directly supporting Israel. Hamas, a terrorist organization against Israel, is being supported by NATO (of which the US is apart of). What does that tell you?

i have no clue

what could it mean?