"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Those of you that have hooked up with multiple friends

blueline

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Tell me about it. How did it go down? Was it obvious beforehand that she liked you? Where was the amount of physical contact at before you guys exited the friends dynamic? How about eye contact, were there ever moments where she might just hold the gaze with you in conversation?

The one time I hooked up with a "friend" it was as if I friendzoned her. She made verbal moves on me while I was still with my ex girlfriend and I told her I was taken but that she seemed like a cool girl. The next time I saw her, I came to her to vent about just breaking up with my girl and I was totally distraught. She tried to make a move, but I told her maybe some other time because I honestly felt like ****. I hung out with her again multiple times even after this, however no moves were made on either behalf. The conversations were always about all sorts of **** ranging from love to philosophy to physics. There was no physical contact ever.

Things were getting pretty platonic, she'd tell me about a dude she was dating. The next time I hung out with her, it was at a party, I was wasted, and I wanted to get laid that night, so I cashed my check. It was just instantaneous walk-up and makeout without even saying anything. From there, it was gravy and we went right into her bedroom.

Current 'friend' I wanna bang: As a friend, much like the last girl, I see eye to eye with her on pretty much everything. The conversations are awesome, we have a stupendous amount in common. That's great, but for seduction purposes, who cares. When I first met her, I intended to get amorous with her and it was basically a cold approach right out of the first class. I didn't even smalltalk about the class, it was just "Who are you? Those are some rocking sunglasses..." I gamed her pretty hard, there was probably a flirty vibe, but then I found out she had a boyfriend later on, so I laid off. However, I still talked to her, teased her, and hung out with her a couple times.

She broke up with that guy last weekend, and now I'm really trying to work it. I can get this girl to laugh at almost any joke I make, but that's meaningless. She's what I'd call a very anxious/nervous and somewhat awkward girl. There is no physical touching on her part, but that's possibly because I rarely do anything either. I try to do the extended eye contact and I can get her doing it when she's really comfortable. One time, while she was still with her bf, I got her to engage in extended eye contact across the room from me in the middle of class. I'd escalate on her while studying, but I haven't been able to get her alone, besides a library is a shit place for that. I asked her to grab a cup of coffee with me after class tomorrow last time we studied together. She agreed to it, but wasn't like super excited in the way you'd think she'd be after getting asked on a date. This will be the first time we hang out for no reason.

I figure I'll begin the kino as soon as we start walking over there by the old "I'm freezing, come over here" and put my arm around her shoulder. If she can do that and I can get in her face while talking to her, I'll probably ask her if she wants to kiss me in a playful way. However, this is kinda atypical behavior given what we have now, but context and her not being single hasn't let me do this before. I don't ever take the subtle, restrained approach with women, I'm usually super direct and physical. She even knows about my escapades with women and how I banged the last girl in a stairwell after talking to her for 30 minutes. However, I have this girl in two classes and don't really wanna be seen as a creep in case she rejects me.

At this point, I feel like I've been friend zoned, but there's a possibility that's just in my head. I've been on dates before (with girls I just randomly met a day or two ago, however) and the conversation and even nonverbals might be kind of shaky (talking about politics, little to no physical contact, etc), but boom, as soon as we're about to part ways I start the makeout and things get sexual. With this girl, though, I don't think I'm gonna risk getting blown out like that. If she were single when we first started talking, I would've asked her out the second time I saw her.

If she's physically attracted to me, I'm sure she knows we could have some fucking mind blowing sex given how similar we are.
 

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The only time it's happened for me was when she was attracted right off that bat. So I don't have much experience to draw on, but the following really jumped out at me:

blueline said:
I figure I'll begin the kino as soon as we start walking over there by the old "I'm freezing, come over here" and put my arm around her shoulder. If she can do that and I can get in her face while talking to her, I'll probably ask her if she wants to kiss me in a playful way. However, this is kinda atypical behavior given what we have now, but context and her not being single hasn't let me do this before.
I have never tried this, so I may be completely wrong about this one...but that sounds like an awful plan IMO. Not smooth. But give it a shot and we'll see how it goes haha.

If it were me, I'd skip the whole coffee thing...I mean since you know each other so well, what is there really to gain from more conversation?

You go to the same university, right? Hit her up on the weekend! Get her at the same part/bar/club that YOU are at. Then there is alcohol, your amazing game, and her. You should be able to take things from there ;)

You're worried about rejection, and it's understandable, but that's going to be a big limiter for you. Don't jump into anything too foolishly, but do NOT hesitate to move forward at any stage in the seduction process. Take baby steps, but make sure you take them. If at any point you see she's not feeling it, pull back a little, and if she wants it, she'll come get it. Small, progressive steps.

Basically, just assume the attraction, and keep moving towards what you want! Put the two of you in a situation where it will be easy for you to get what you want, and then just go and get it.
 

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yeah, well shit, we're set for coffee tomorrow, lol. The thing about coffee is that I can finally get this girl alone with me under no pretense of school bullshit and just her and I. This weekend is a really bad time for parties seeing as that we're both in a super competitive master's program. Maybe I can get her to come out for a drink on Friday if we hit it off really well tomorrow, but the real clincher is to go back to one of our places and watch a movie after the coffee.

I won't ask her if she wants to kiss me, but I'll def use the cold as an excuse to touch her. That's a tried and tested move for me.
 

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I feel you on this blueline. I'm in a very similar situation. Basically met this girl who really thought I was hot in the beginning of the semester. I wasn't really interested in her because she's kinda quiet and boring and actually friend-zoned her. It's cool though we study a lot and get dinner a lot. After a while I could tell she stopped being as interested in me and just wanted to be friends as well. Now I'm starting realize that she's pretty hot in her own way. I'm afraid we're already 'buddies' though and don't know if it could be anymore than that.

But yeah, we can always use this as an experiment. I'm interested to see if I can turn her into more than friends. The heavy eye-contact is good along with some triangular gazing. I'm definitely gonna start some more kino and talk more sexual towards her and see what happens. It won't be easy to get out of the friend zone but we can try. I'm up for the challenge and so what if it doesn't work out because I got other options.

Definitely check out this Fingers Thread: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=43174
 

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Honestly, if there are no moves busted tonight, I'm out on this one. She'll just remain a hot friend. I've got another girl I can hookup with tonight, lol.
 

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You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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blueline

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Voice said:
haha, this is good. i've already naturally done a lot of the things on this guide like talk about sex, all i need to do is cross the physical barrier. today i'll bring up how my ex was a terrible lover, haha, and never let me eat her out once.

i'm gonna start interacting with girls i 'befriend' a lot differently now (i.e. a lot more 'friendly' kino).

ahhh gotta stop thinking about this i have an exam to study for
 

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"Date" was a total and utter dud. For two friends enjoying each other's company, it was great. For anything sexual, however, the vibe just was not there. She has this sort of skittish way of interacting with me, or pretty much anybody in general, I would say. Very much not a touchy-feely kinda girl. She stays out of your personal space big time, lots of girls I know, even with friends, will invade your personal space if you get friendly with them.

I can get the deep eye contact with even 'awkward' pauses (this is good, it's sexual tension when the girl is on) going with her briefly and then she becomes self conscious of it, and boom, it's lost. She doesn't really give me long enough to say or do anything when it happens. Perhaps if we met in another context (i.e. outside of a highly competitive PhD program) and I did my usual shtick that leads to me either getting rejected when I ask them to come out or actually getting a real date, then maybe it would've gone differently. Girls know exactly what's up when some random dude asks them for their number when they just met that day. It's impossible to get in the friends zone when you do that, which is almost exactly the reason I never end up in the friends zone anymore unless I want to be.

The only frustrating thing about this is that I would've gone for broke (i.e. go for the make out regardless of her non-verbals) AGES ago with this girl like I do with every other girl I take out had she not been in my program. I mean, I really set the stage to get rejected when I meet a random girl I like now, which I think is good game. It weeds out the ones that like you from the ones that don't and you don't wonder "what if...?" The final thing I'm going to do with her is get high with her at her place or my place and watch a movie. If it's just because she's nervous, the weed will chill her right out and get rid of her nervousness/awkwardness.
 

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No more tame dates with girls you already know. Either isolate her or take her somewhere you two will get a lil tipsy. Lesson learned.

Oh by the way, did the "I'm cold, come here" thing work out with this one?
 

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Back in senior HS, in my circle I had about 8-10 good female friends. I ended up fvcking 6 of them over the course of two years.

It was more of a "why not?" or "im bored, your bored, lets have some fun" type thing.

I was kind of aloof with all my friends, in that I put my own goals and life ahead of theirs. I wasn't the leader of the group, but whenever I was around I became the 'alpha'. I used my girl friends to practice my game on, and I guess it worked.

What I'd attribute my success to:

1. Scarcity. I was good friends with them but I was NEVER supplicant and I only hung out with them at times of my choosing.

2. Energy. I brought another level of energy to the group whenever we were together. Not exactly the 'funny guy', but I had them all wrapped around my finger, waiting to see what I would do next.

3. Leadership. Whenever we were talking to strangers, me and another guy would take the lead. We would also plan all the stuff we did, and basically lead the group. You could call him the 'leader' of the group whenever I wasn't around. He had pvssy lining up as well ;)

4. Looks. I am not a very handsome guy, but I worked on my appearance extensively a year or so before that time period. Was easily the strongest and most 'masculine' appearing guy of my circle of friends. It's amazing what a good body, clean face, and good dress style will do for you.

5. Sexuality. Wasn't afraid to act sexually in a playful way around my girl friends.

6. Alcohol. Won't deny it's a great social lubricant.

I had the same girl friends that I fvcked setting me up with THEIR friends, passing me around amongst them for about a year. I went through them like wildfire and left a good impression I suppose.

The nice thing is that I could go back to one of my girl friends months after I'd railed her friend, and still be able to get some action.

Overall, I'd attribute my success to the ability be casual about sex. Girls in grade 12 are begging for the c0ck, and only want you to come at them in a non-creepy way and in a way that doesn't make them look like a slut. I added comfortability factor and I guess for a time I was the guy who they went to when they were horny.

Any regrets? One.

Around the time that part of my life ended, I broke my jaw in an accident. A week or so after it broke, my face was real puffy and sore and I was fvcked out of my mind on painkillers. I was also moving house at the time. I got a call from one of those girl friends, telling me that she and two other of her friends were going to chill in a hot tub and were begging me to come. I had to decline due to the state I was in. She told me later that she was going to try to set up a threesome after one of the other girls left!

That was a big regret :(

Incidentally, with a couple of my girl friends a few months before that I did have a partial threesome. We were all making out when a little buzzed at a small get together, but I never made it past third base. I do not think I would have been able to get that far had those girls not been my friends and we'd not been so comfortable with each other. The fun was interrupted because another girl at the party who was interested in me went looking, cause I'd disappeared. She opened the door and was like "wtf?!" and left. That kind of killed it.

IMO there are two friend zones. Sexual Friendzone, and non-Sexual friendzone. The first is heaven, the second is hell.

If you're jealous, then don't worry. Since then my life has spiraled downhill with depression, low self-esteem, and being overweight. A bit of a rollercoaster, but such is life.

cheers.
 
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