This one thing equals Frame

[Cheeky_James]

That doesn't explain good looking guys who are bad with women (not exactly a rare phenomenon) and average or even below average guys who are good with women.

hmmm..
there are good looking guys who are very Nice Guy/Beta . I know one or two. Tbh in this scenario one answer is they are closet Gay.
Or just Nice Guy/ mummy’s boy Beta syndrome.
Or other outlier , spectrum disorders perhaps.

average looking guys who are good I’ve met are very high in Dominance/Boss behaviours.
They are average looking Alpha Leader type guys.

Btw and an aside ,
as for this term ‘seducer’ that’s thrown in the mix often.
A real Seducer is typically a Pretty Boy Charmer like Jude Laws character in Alfie movie remake.

 

[BeExcellent]

LOL the short term . Yep. That’s what getting results in Pickup in bar clubs is all about. It’s understanding *women’s* short term mating strategy. what they look for to scratch an itch when they are horny in those environments.

which is what most guys are consuming the wrong theory about how to crack. They going about it the long long way which probably won’t even get them there.

it’s interesting you dropped the term ‘Slvt’ .
As I knew you would at some point.

when you described the best guy you know..your ‘tall & trim friend’ that would ‘talk girls into blowing him or doing him in the parking lot or the loo, go back inside & do it again.’ ..

I notice you forgot to use the word ‘Slvt’ there hey?
That your good friend you show admiration for was very skilled at picking up ‘Slvts’… the best guy you know in fact, at picking up ‘slvts’?

so in fact it looks to be myself and your friend are the same no? Am I missing something?

We get similar results in bars and clubs with girls.
But apparently he is “authentic “. He is “real”. He is golden. lol.

Or he doesn’t pickup ‘Slvts’ somehow even though their behaviour is the same as my lovely girls.

this is all a big crock of sh1t.

It’s a woman , doing her thing of ‘please don’t trick us guys- we like to have it both ways…we don’t like being tricked as it fvcks up our program’ (nawwww!)

please Nice Guys keep doing your thing and working on you self ‘ improvement ‘ so we can keep you as an option if we so desire… always be authentic it’s good for you! (but don’t forget , we wouldnt touch you in a bar or club if we’re horny, so sorry).

But let us give you advice to be better Nice Guys. More authentic and honest so you can be the best option you can be for us. we’ll just tell you it works in bars and clubs too. Just from the inside out of course. Just keep working on yourself.

lol…. Fvck that sh1t.
I can have it both ways too babe.
If it’s good for the Goose it’s good for the Gander as the old saying goes.

Jesus. Verbal diarrhea much, lol.

Obviously you cannot read. The guy who I know who was best at charming the pants off girls, not a guy I was ever interested in or involved with btw & lol.

Not the "Best" man ever ever ever....Sheesh are you 12?

The vast vast vast majority of women he "conquested" (as he was all about conquest), were loose women. He took great pride & humor in charming the pants off them, and it was fun to watch him, lol.

He ADORES women. Just loves them....and that my dear is a big part of his charm....

Now. I introduced him to his now wife, as I mentioned. They got to know each other conversationally outside a bar environment because she was moving to where he lived, she knew no one but he knew God & everyone...they were both from the same part of the same city originally too...and I thought they would hit it off at least as friends....so I gave them each the other one's number....

He called ME for advice about what to do because he fell hard & fast for her & was scared of screwing things up with her. THAT was a funny conversation. I was like Listen. You've been married, you're an expert with women, what are you worried about?"

He's like "BE, she's drop dead gorgeous, speaks 8 lanuages, and has her doctorate in ancient Greco Roman art....I'm retied law enforcement!!!"

I said are you scared? I've never seen you scared.

He's like well yeah. Kinda. You bet.

I said look. You already know how to be you. You just happen to care alot more than usual on the outcome with her, that's all. Manage THAT and you'll do just fine.....

And he did.

As far as horny girls? Sure. Own a nightclub, lol. Same for dudes who want to feel important for a night throwing money around.

You are incorrect in your assumptions about me. Now stop humping my leg, run along, wipe your drool and go start your own thread.

I'll wait....

 

[Cheeky_James]

So I’ve managed to completely prove to you that frame is entirely possible from an ethical and non manipulative perspective.

I run a team of my own making. That’s leadership, and that’s also frame.

I don’t think I have anything else I need to say here.

btw, what do you do for work and what what size team do you run?
I used to work in corporate for a decade.
The Leaders/managers in corporate are adept and managing the narrative as they brief their employees. Getting them to take on more work for the same pay. And ‘Influencing’ them one on one in the manager’s office. And of course, make no mistake behind the closed door when all the managers are together , they are discussing the dirty work that needs to be done to reduce costs and increase profits. And how to go about doing it.

there is great examples of frame control in corporate,

a classic funny one is the ‘Business Transformation Team’.
Aka
The cost reduction and head chopper team. Haha.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Jesus. Verbal diarrhea much, lol.

Obviously you cannot read. The guy who I know who was best at charming the pants off girls, not a guy I was ever interested in or involved with btw & lol.

The vast vast vast majority of women he "conquested" as he was all about conquest, were loose women. He took great pride & humor in charming the pants off them, and it was fun to watch him, lol.

He ADORES women. Just loves them....and that my dear is a big part of his charm....

Now. I introduced him to his now wife, as I mentioned. They got to know each other conversationally outside a bar environment because she was moving to where he lived, she knew no one but he knew God & everyone...they were both from the same part of the same city originally too...and I thought they would hit it off at least as friends....so I gave them each the other one's number....

He called ME for advice about what to do because he fell hard & fast for her & was scared of screwing things up with her. THAT was a funny conversation. I was like Listen. You've been married, you're an expert with women, what are you worried about?"

He's like "BE, she's drop dead gorgeous, speaks 8 lanuages, and has her doctorate in ancient Greco Roman art....I'm retied law enforcement!!!"

I said are you scared? I've never seen you scared.

He's like well yeah. Kinda. You bet.

I said look. You already know how to be you. You just happen to care alot more than usual on the outcome with her, that's all. Manage THAT and you'll do just fine.....

And he did.

As far as horny girls? Sure. Own a nightclub, lol. Same for dudes who want to feel important for a night throwing money around.

You are incorrect in your assumptions about me. Now stop humping my leg, run along, wipe your drool and go start your own thread.

I'll wait....

But like I said we are doing SO well on THIS thread BE.

re being verbose - pot, kettle , black lol,

I see you have downgraded the term ‘Slvt’ to ‘loose women’ for your friend also btw same same babe. Even if it’s one of ur besties doing the deeds heh heh.

oh yes that’s the difference hey?
he ADORES women,
He just LOVES them… all the way into the bathroom stall and car park he LOVES them. AND CARES for them , and respects them. Their feelings and wellbeing. In the Loo , in the car park he surely LOVES them . For sure. Me too!

As he guides their heads down for a ******* in a dark corner of the club he simply ADORES them!
He would never do them harm or think of them as anything other than amazing females . Or just strangers . Mega LOLZ at that distinction BE
Mega. LOLZ.

that must the difference between him and I then, (eye rolling)

sure thing BE sure thing.
We are so different him and I!

 

[Glassguy]

But like I said we are doing SO well on THIS thread BE.

re being verbose - pot, kettle , black lol,

I see you have downgraded the term ‘Slvt’ to ‘loose women’ for your friend also btw same same babe. Even if it’s one of ur besties doing the deeds heh heh.

oh yes that’s the difference hey?
he ADORES women,
He just LOVES them… all the way into the bathroom stall and car park he LOVES them. AND CARES for them , and respects them. Their feelings and wellbeing. In the Loo , in the car park he surely LOVES them . For sure. Me too!

As he guides their heads down for a ******* in a dark corner of the club he simply ADORES them!
He would never do them harm or think of them as anything other than amazing females . Or just strangers . Mega LOLZ at that distinction BE
Mega. LOLZ.

that must the difference between him and I then, (eye rolling)

sure thing BE sure thing.
We are so different him and I!

Youre good at 2 things: attacking members and hijacking posts.
Both are against the rules. I suggest you read them.
You will not continue provoking members. You will not continue to hijack posts. Youve been given every opportunity to start your own thread with your own ideas. Yet you continue to provoke and attack others.
@Dr.Suave
@TheProspect
@BackInTheGame78
@RickTheToad

The thread does not need locked, we just need one less member allowed to post on it. You'll find a thread in our group that I suggest you read.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Youre good at 2 things: attacking members and hijacking posts.
Both are against the rules. I suggest you read them.
You will not continue provoking members. You will not continue to hijack posts. Youve been given every opportunity to start your own thread with your own ideas. Yet you continue to provoke and attack others.
@Dr.Suave
@TheProspect
@BackInTheGame78
@RickTheToad

The thread does not need locked, we just need one less member allowed to post on it. You'll find a thread in our group that I suggest you read.

pffffft. Whatever,
I’ve stayed on track of the topic of the thread,
And defended my position. No name calling from my side. Quite a few users came on and agreed with the thrust of what I’ve been saying, Someone just can’t handle their take on it was completely wrong from the get go,

like I said before;

Best of luck to you GG , with maintaining your rock solid Frame with women by “not needing to talk the talk, just exiting the situation and disappearing, “ as you stated early on.
And hung yourself re the meaning of Frame and maintaining it.
As that’s the exact 180 opposite of what it all means.

and to @BE - stop giving ‘Mom Advice’ to guys tryna learn pickup. listening to Mommy too much is how Nice Guys became Nice Guys in the first place.

Adios muchachos.

 

[Glassguy]

pffffft. Whatever,
I’ve stayed on track of the topic of the thread,
And defended my position. No name calling from my side. Quite a few users came on and agreed with the thrust of what I’ve been saying, Someone just can’t handle their take on it was completely wrong from the get go,

like I said before;

Best of luck to you GG , with maintaining your rock solid Frame with women by “not needing to talk the talk, just exiting the situation and disappearing, “ as you stated early on.
And hung yourself re the meaning of Frame and maintaining it.
As that’s the exact 180 opposite of what it all means.

and to @BE - stop giving ‘Mom Advice’ to guys tryna learn pickup. listening to Mommy too much is how Nice Guys became Nice Guys in the first place.

Adios muchachos.

Not everyone has to agree. Provoking and attacking other members is uncalled for.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Not everyone has to agree. Provoking and attacking other members is uncalled for.

never did that? Just defending my position against the onslaught .
Dude go back to our first exchange in posts 2 and 3.
I said you were “kinda onto it but not really”. And wrote 30 ish lines in a neutral fashion.

In response to this you came back with-
‘ if you don’t agree with me , start your own thread then Mr Know it all.’ More or less.
It’s been downhill since then,

so which one of us was reacting emotionally off the bat?

and since then, a fair few members have come on and stated the same as moi. ER and Frame are 2 separate things. Translation - you’re kinda onto it , but not really. There’s a lot more to it.

take a chill pill. It’s just a forum.
Your equation of ‘One Thing Equals’ doesn’t stand up . That’s about it.

 

[Sega Genesis]

Frame is an important concept around here. Like Glassguy, I'd think you starting your own thread based in your own experience would be great.

As to the important necessity of emotional regulation, that is really not something an intelligent game aware guy is going to debate, but you are....

Emotional regulation is a big component of frame whether you or AI define it that way or not. And emotional regulation is, in fact a simple concept. But simple does not always equate to easy.....

The point Glassguy is making (and that you are demonstrating rather well) is that losing your cool does not benefit you.

This is magnified in interactions with women. No matter what the setting is (nightlife or bar random meet, office, social circle, relationship, marriage, etc) you paint yourself in a bad light when you are not properly emotionally regulated.

In fact it will negatively impact the interaction the very most if it is a random girl at a bar who doesn't know you. Why? Because a random girl with any shred of self esteem has nothing at all invested in you, she doesn't know you, she couldn't care less about you. So you think some PUA verbal jujitsu is going to make her panties drop because you say some magic sentence? Nope.

I cannot count the number of times some guy (who, poor thing, like you) spent too much money on PUA theory/books/drank the PUA KoolAid has approached me. And whenever such guys start in with the canned lines or the negs (only an 11 year old would try to use verbal negs these days).... I simply stop them mid-sentence and politely tell them I am not interested....sometimes they believe, as you do, that I mean to try harder. Um. No. I mean GO AWAY but I prefer not to start off rude....So I stop them mid-sentence once again and I say:

Look. I have been polite and told you I am not interested. If you need me to be a b1tch or call security I can, but I'd rather not. I'm not interested so please leave me alone......

Or if I'm feeling sassy I'll ask them point blank: So how's all this canned pick up stuff working out so far...'cause its not working wth me right now...."

And the eyes pop & the jaw drops. Not kidding.

And men have stormed off mad (no emotional regulation) because they just found out the PUA crap they paid real money for is not frame and does not work. And they try again on some other girl, or girls, get more ticked off, eventually leave, and these are the guys who think frame is calculus. It isn't.

But it is FOR THEM, lol.

We love and believe in what we invest in. All humans are like this. CheekyJames has obviously invested a great deal into PUA theory & books etc. So his ego has a tough time understanding that he's bet on the wrong horse. Hope it works out for him.

So I'd love to see a thread where he can school us on frame.

Most men need to get emotional control under their belt long before they start debating the finer points of frame.

I meant to respond to this^^ earlier. Awesome post BE! One of the best. And I've experienced same.

Had to deal with some major nastiness at times simply because I politely declined an approach, a date whatever

It's a sad state...

 

[BillyPilgrim]

never did that? Just defending my position against the onslaught .
Dude go back to our first exchange in posts 2 and 3.
I said you were “kinda onto it but not really”. And wrote 30 ish lines in a neutral fashion.

In response to this you came back with-
‘ if you don’t agree with me , start your own thread then Mr Know it all.’ More or less.
It’s been downhill since then,

so which one of us was reacting emotionally off the bat?

and since then, a fair few members have come on and stated the same as moi. ER and Frame are 2 separate things. Translation - you’re kinda onto it , but not really. There’s a lot more to it.

take a chill pill. It’s just a forum.
Your equation of ‘One Thing Equals’ doesn’t stand up . That’s about it.

Glass isn't steel.