This one thing equals Frame

[Vanderdonck]

@GG, @BE, @Vanderdonk and others;

I just googled the meaning of Frame (again).

AI Summary is below (again).

Fyi reading over the below has made me realise wow yeah you’re all so right. It’s so simple!
And all of this Frame stuff definitely doesn’t sound like being Higher Value or Leading.. at all.. D’oh!
guess I just misunderstood. Must have been those references to ‘wars, battles, controlling, winning’ ithrew me off. Sheesh. I feel a bit silly now.

Q: what does Frame mean in pickup and seduction?

A: In pickup and seduction, "frame" refers to
your perspective or the underlying meaning you assign to an interaction. It is the social and psychological "reality" you establish, which influences how others perceive you and the situation.
The person with the strongest, most consistent frame controls the direction and outcome of the interaction.

Key Concepts

• Your Frame as Your Reality: Your internal beliefs about yourself and the world are projected outward through your actions, body language, and words. For example, if you believe you are a high-value person, your behavior will reflect that confidence, and people are more likely to treat you accordingly.
• Frame Control: This is the skill of maintaining your own frame and subtly guiding the other person into accepting your perception of the situation. It involves steering the conversation and interaction to avoid being pulled into the other person's less desirable frame (e.g., being "friend-zoned").
• Frame Battles: When two people have conflicting frames (e.g., one person wants a date, the other only sees a friend), a subtle "frame war" occurs. The person who remains most steadfast and compelling in their view typically "wins" the interaction.
• The "Meta-Frame": A core concept is the "prizability" or "you are the prize" meta-frame. This means operating from a place of non-neediness and abundance, where the other person is encouraged to qualify themselves to you, rather than you trying to impress them.
• Types of Frames: Frames can be social (establishing roles and social standing) or sexual (setting a tone where sex is a natural possibility).
• Maintaining Congruence: For a frame to be strong, your internal belief must match your external expression. Incongruence (saying you're confident while exhibiting nervous body language) weakens your frame and makes it easy for others to dismiss it.
• END OF SUMMARY

Cool, have it your way man. I internalized this stuff a long time ago so maybe to me it seems simple. AI is a useful tool but can be very verbose and repetitive.

 

[Divorced w 3]

@GG, @BE, @Vanderdonk and others;

I just googled the meaning of Frame (again).

AI Summary is below (again).

Fyi reading over the below has made me realise wow yeah you’re all so right. It’s so simple!
And all of this Frame stuff definitely doesn’t sound like being Higher Value or Leading.. at all.. D’oh!
guess I just misunderstood. Must have been those references to ‘wars, battles, controlling, winning’ ithrew me off. Sheesh. I feel a bit silly now.

Q: what does Frame mean in pickup and seduction?

A: In pickup and seduction, "frame" refers to
your perspective or the underlying meaning you assign to an interaction. It is the social and psychological "reality" you establish, which influences how others perceive you and the situation.
The person with the strongest, most consistent frame controls the direction and outcome of the interaction.

Key Concepts

• Your Frame as Your Reality: Your internal beliefs about yourself and the world are projected outward through your actions, body language, and words. For example, if you believe you are a high-value person, your behavior will reflect that confidence, and people are more likely to treat you accordingly.
• Frame Control: This is the skill of maintaining your own frame and subtly guiding the other person into accepting your perception of the situation. It involves steering the conversation and interaction to avoid being pulled into the other person's less desirable frame (e.g., being "friend-zoned").
• Frame Battles: When two people have conflicting frames (e.g., one person wants a date, the other only sees a friend), a subtle "frame war" occurs. The person who remains most steadfast and compelling in their view typically "wins" the interaction.
• The "Meta-Frame": A core concept is the "prizability" or "you are the prize" meta-frame. This means operating from a place of non-neediness and abundance, where the other person is encouraged to qualify themselves to you, rather than you trying to impress them.
• Types of Frames: Frames can be social (establishing roles and social standing) or sexual (setting a tone where sex is a natural possibility).
• Maintaining Congruence: For a frame to be strong, your internal belief must match your external expression. Incongruence (saying you're confident while exhibiting nervous body language) weakens your frame and makes it easy for others to dismiss it.
• END OF SUMMARY

This is red pill sociopathy

Any time you have to guide someone or employ manipulation you are employing persuasion and attempting to persuade someone means that you simply don’t emanate enough interesting personality for that person to naturally attract to your lifestyle.

Pickup is largely geared towards people who otherwise don’t exhibit those qualities. Pickup was literally founded by antisocial introverts, Mystery the founder of the concept was the worst of the bunch, severely depressed and cracked under the weight of living an unnatural formulaic lifestyle and had to be committed to a mental institution.

 

[The Duke]

Its your choice to get hung up on some technicality because it struck an emotional nerve and miss the point of Glassguy's post but it's a shame because there is some golden advice there that is crucial to being successful with women. But thats what happens when you lose your frame and feel the need to make 35% of the post on this topic trying to convince everyone. ;-)

 

[Glassguy]

Its your choice to get hung up on some technicality because it struck an emotional nerve and miss the point of Glassguy's post but it's a shame because there is some golden advice there that is crucial to being successful with women. But thats what happens when you lose your frame and feel the need to make 35% of the post on this topic trying to convince everyone. ;-)

The old saying is that you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.
Its also funny how some people have a definition of being a "leader" and then lose their shyte because they cant control their emotions lol. I wasnt trying to draw the ****roaches out but they came scurrying.
I tend to find that most guys that follow the PAU stuff like a religion tend to have very thin skin and lack emotional control. Its a trend.
Its a theory to cover up their own deficits instead of actually doing self improvement in areas they will benefit from the most.

 

[Glassguy]

This is red pill sociopathy

Any time you have to guide someone or employ manipulation you are employing persuasion and attempting to persuade someone means that you simply don’t emanate enough interesting personality for that person to naturally attract to your lifestyle.

Pickup is largely geared towards people who otherwise don’t exhibit those qualities. Pickup was literally founded by antisocial introverts, Mystery the founder of the concept was the worst of the bunch, severely depressed and cracked under the weight of living an unnatural formulaic lifestyle and had to be committed to a mental institution.

Totally agree. Just because one says he is a leader doesnt go far when their actions are that of a tantrum throwing child.
I find it best to strive to be the best version of myself, genuine and outgoing. I recognize my deficiencies and work on that as well. Too many people bought into the PUA stuff and they are probably worse off than they were before.

 

[SmoothHendrixPS2]

@Glassguy I love this topic. We are energy beings who will feel all sort of ways during the human experience. The key is staying present with those emotions and choosing your RESPONSE, rather than letting your instincts REACT. This is something that can be practiced through meditation and visualization. Many pro athletes train their mind with professional mental skills coach on this stuff. I credit this stuff to much of my success with women, being that their emotions are like a roller coaster... How can one lead an interaction or relationship if they aren't aware of themselves.

The Michigan football coach who recently got caught cheating on his wife banging one of the staff on campus totally lost his cool and broke into her house and threatened to kill himself, will now likely do prison time. If he had taken a deep breath, not reacted, but chose to respond by staying cool and let it play out, he coulda pulled a rick pitino and went overseas and get a high major coaching gig back in the states in a couple years.

When I was younger I got a girl pregnant, and I was lucky enough to have a seasoned don juan help me deal with it. He helped me stay calm and not appear emotional, which lead to her feeling comfortable enough to make the decision to have the abortion on her own... A man who is panicking and condescending in this situation will more likely deal with an emotional women who will make the wrong decision out of spite.

Men can only benefit from emotional regulation and awareness.

 

[TheGambino]

@Glassguy I love this topic. We are energy beings who will feel all sort of ways during the human experience. The key is staying present with those emotions and choosing your RESPONSE, rather than letting your instincts REACT. This is something that can be practiced through meditation and visualization. Many pro athletes train their mind with professional mental skills coach on this stuff. I credit this stuff to much of my success with women, being that their emotions are like a roller coaster... How can one lead an interaction or relationship if they aren't aware of themselves.

The Michigan football coach who recently got caught cheating on his wife banging one of the staff on campus totally lost his cool and broke into her house and threatened to kill himself, will now likely do prison time. If he had taken a deep breath, not reacted, but chose to respond by staying cool and let it play out, he coulda pulled a rick pitino and went overseas and get a high major coaching gig back in the states in a couple years.

When I was younger I got a girl pregnant, and I was lucky enough to have a seasoned don juan help me deal with it. He helped me stay calm and not appear emotional, which lead to her feeling comfortable enough to make the decision to have the abortion on her own... A man who is panicking and condescending in this situation will more likely deal with an emotional women who will make the wrong decision out of spite.

Men can only benefit from emotional regulation and awareness.

I lost a woman recently because she said (I found out later) he (me) doesn't give me the ''I need to go to the psychologist feeling, he is the guy that I should want, relaxed, nonchalant, and not emotional''. I did my utter best with her to always stay calm but she's toxic, had her ex abuse her and she just wants that domination, the guy that makes her feel the roller coaster.

I am happy were done, I enjoyed the cex, the ride, the dates but shes not good for me. Im an entrepreneur, I need a calm woman, a warm home where I can come home and chill with her, not come back from a roller coaster at work sometimes into a new roller coaster at home.

Always count to 10 and think twice, three times before reacting.

 

[SmoothHendrixPS2]

I lost a woman recently because she said (I found out later) he (me) doesn't give me the ''I need to go to the psychologist feeling, he is the guy that I should want, relaxed, nonchalant, and not emotional''. I did my utter best with her to always stay calm but she's toxic, had her ex abuse her and she just wants that domination, the guy that makes her feel the roller coaster.

I am happy were done, I enjoyed the cex, the ride, the dates but shes not good for me. Im an entrepreneur, I need a calm woman, a warm home where I can come home and chill with her, not come back from a roller coaster at work sometimes into a new roller coaster at home.

Always count to 10 and think twice, three times before reacting.

No doubt! If a woman doesn't bring you peace, she is for recreational use only. Sounds like she lost you rather than vice versa. Well done.

 

[Glassguy]

@Glassguy I love this topic. We are energy beings who will feel all sort of ways during the human experience. The key is staying present with those emotions and choosing your RESPONSE, rather than letting your instincts REACT. This is something that can be practiced through meditation and visualization. Many pro athletes train their mind with professional mental skills coach on this stuff. I credit this stuff to much of my success with women, being that their emotions are like a roller coaster... How can one lead an interaction or relationship if they aren't aware of themselves.

The Michigan football coach who recently got caught cheating on his wife banging one of the staff on campus totally lost his cool and broke into her house and threatened to kill himself, will now likely do prison time. If he had taken a deep breath, not reacted, but chose to respond by staying cool and let it play out, he coulda pulled a rick pitino and went overseas and get a high major coaching gig back in the states in a couple years.

When I was younger I got a girl pregnant, and I was lucky enough to have a seasoned don juan help me deal with it. He helped me stay calm and not appear emotional, which lead to her feeling comfortable enough to make the decision to have the abortion on her own... A man who is panicking and condescending in this situation will more likely deal with an emotional women who will make the wrong decision out of spite.

Men can only benefit from emotional regulation and awareness.

I almost used Sherrone Moore as an example in my original post !

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Its your choice to get hung up on some technicality because it struck an emotional nerve and miss the point of Glassguy's post but it's a shame because there is some golden advice there that is crucial to being successful with women. But thats what happens when you lose your frame and feel the need to make 35% of the post on this topic trying to convince everyone. ;-)

The point of a post should be encapsulated by the headline, and there's a clear disconnect between the headline and body here. That 35% wouldn't be there if the headline wasn't so clickbaity. If the headline was "this one thing equals a successful frame" there wouldn't be problem.

It's a great post with a crappy headline. Emotional control and strength of conviction aren't the same things, and both are components of frame.

 

[Gamisch]

hmmm.. yeah I don’t believe Chad guys post on forums dude. Doesn’t happen.
Before the tent Chad became popular we used to call them Alphas/Naturals. They don’t post on forums because they don’t have to.

Lol.

Again , this isn't the 90's. Everyone who has interest in certain things can and will post on their forum subject of choice.

Nobody " has to" post, we just post because it's fun. It's not like posting on a forum gets you a reward . Bogus take with all due respect.

 

[Cheeky_James]

This is red pill sociopathy

Any time you have to guide someone or employ manipulation you are employing persuasion and attempting to persuade someone means that you simply don’t emanate enough interesting personality for that person to naturally attract to your lifestyle.

Pickup is largely geared towards people who otherwise don’t exhibit those qualities. Pickup was literally founded by antisocial introverts, Mystery the founder of the concept was the worst of the bunch, severely depressed and cracked under the weight of living an unnatural formulaic lifestyle and had to be committed to a mental institution.

This worldview sounds like an extension of Nice Guy Syndrome .
Everyone has to be done in nice , fair ways that will never offend a woman. Don’t manipulate or persuade. Don’t offend. No sneaky stuff,

let me ask you - if I’m out to pickup chicks in bars and clubs for quick sex that night… why NOT?
It’s all about what gets results in the Real World.
How do things operate in the Real World.
I’d love to hear the reasons.

 

[Divorced w 3]

This worldview sounds like an extension of Nice Guy Syndrome .
Everyone has to be done in nice , fair ways that will never offend a woman. Don’t manipulate or persuade.

if a guy is tryna pickup chicks in busy, loud bars and clubs for SNLs, theres no time to “emanate enough interesting personality for that person to naturally attract to your lifestyle.”

It’s 1. get and keep attention. It’s not just pass a test or two nicely and hold ur nice light funny frame

It’s more like “completely smash her frames and dominate the interaction from the start’’.

Why? because chicks in those places looking for a hookup that night want Alpha, Boss guys in selection. They want a good fvck.

they aren’t testing a guy for merely ‘Confidence’.
They are testing him for dominance/alpha which is closer to ‘Power’.

And average nice guy is not gonna get very far without that knowledge in bars and clubs for pickup.

To get results, and average guy is gonna have to pony up and do stuff that’ll be WAY out of his comfort zone to get results. not just nicey-nicey ****.

You just changed the parameters of the discussion. First it was frame for longer term relationships and now it’s one night stands?

Let me put it this way. I had a woman start commuting 90 minutes each direction to live with me and devote every free hour of her time to me and my children.

She worked 3 minutes from her apartment. Three minutes.

I did the entire anti dumps machine on her. We met at a bar. She impressed me. We spoke for 20 minutes. I didn’t buy her anything.

I ended up chasing her out of my home because my head exploded over some bs. Never laid a hand on her but scared the life out of her. This woman was going to marry me. She swore me off. Moved out.

90 days later she is practically back. Took my kids to Disney. In my bed 90% of the week. Sure she’s putting up some boundaries and yes honestly we’re both doing hard work here.

I have frame. It’s not even remotely up for discussion whose got frame.

but is that the type of frame you want? Is that the life you envision for your sister or daughter?

 

[Cheeky_James]

You just changed the parameters of the discussion. First it was frame for longer term relationships and now it’s one night stands?

Let me put it this way. I had a woman start commuting 90 minutes each direction to live with me and devote every free hour of her time to me and my children.

She worked 3 minutes from her apartment. Three minutes.

I did the entire anti dumps machine on her. We met at a bar. She impressed me. We spoke for 20 minutes. I didn’t buy her anything.

I ended up chasing her out of my home because my head exploded over some bs. Never laid a hand on her but scared the life out of her. This woman was going to marry me. She swore me off. Moved out.

90 days later she is practically back. Took my kids to Disney. In my bed 90% of the week. Sure she’s putting up some boundaries and yes honestly we’re both doing hard work here.

I have frame. It’s not even remotely up for discussion whose got frame.

but is that the type of frame you want? Is that the life you envision for your sister or daughter?

no no Dw3. My position vs GGs formula has always been highlighting especially it’s off for pickup in bars and clubs.

I had to search Anti-Dump. Looks pretty good from a quick read.

Re question .Well of course not , but an alpha boss guy does let himself explode over some bs. I already know that.

and my answer doesn’t mean GGs formula is correct. I already know the 101 of emotional regulation/ don’t throw tantrums/don’t sweat the small stuff.

My debate is re meaning of Frame, frame control and how that’s actually done. And in the real world. When it’s not always fair and pretty to win and hold frames with women. And definitely not vs other men.

like someone else posted above correctly -the clickbait title of the thread does not match the content of GGs first post. There’s no easy formula. No one thing and that’s all.
That’s about the size of it.

 

[Divorced w 3]

no no Dw3. My position vs GGs formula has always been highlighting especially it’s off for pickup in bars and clubs.

I had to search Anti-Dump. Looks pretty good from a quick read.

Re question .Well of course not but an alpha boss guy does let himself explode over some bs. I already know that.

and my answer doesn’t mean GGs formula is correct. I already know the 101 of emotional regulation/ don’t throw tantrums/don’t sweat the small stuff.

My debate is re meaning of Frame, frame control and how that’s actually done. And in the real world. When it’s not always fair and pretty to win and hold frames with women. And definitely not vs other men.

like someone else posted above correctly -the clickbait title of the thread does not match the content of GGs first post. There’s no easy formula. No one thing and that’s all.
That’s about the size of it.

I’m down with your idea that frame is more encompassing of simply emotional stability but that red pill garbage you found on AI is Hiroshima level toxic. You either have frame and you feel free to let her join the ride or you keep driving and she jumps out of the train at the next station so to speak. You can maintain frame and be vulnerable and be open to what her needs are while still having her fold into your life a create a mutual life with her but nonetheless still lead. Don’t ever, ever think that you need to manipulate. It’s toxic crap.

 

[BeExcellent]

no no Dw3. My position vs GGs formula has always been highlighting especially it no work for pickup in bars and clubs.

I had to search Anti-Dump. Looks pretty good from a quick read.

Re question .Well of course not but an alpha boss guy does let himself explode over some bs. I already know that.

and my answer doesn’t mean GGs formula is correct. I already know the 101 of emotional regulation/ don’t throw tantrums/don’t sweat the small stuff.

My debate is re meaning of Frame, frame control and how that’s actually done. And in the real world. When it’s not always pretty to hold frame with women.

Frame is an important concept around here. Like Glassguy, I'd think you starting your own thread based in your own experience would be great.

As to the important necessity of emotional regulation, that is really not something an intelligent game aware guy is going to debate, but you are....

Emotional regulation is a big component of frame whether you or AI define it that way or not. And emotional regulation is, in fact a simple concept. But simple does not always equate to easy.....

The point Glassguy is making (and that you are demonstrating rather well) is that losing your cool does not benefit you.

This is magnified in interactions with women. No matter what the setting is (nightlife or bar random meet, office, social circle, relationship, marriage, etc) you paint yourself in a bad light when you are not properly emotionally regulated.

In fact it will negatively impact the interaction the very most if it is a random girl at a bar who doesn't know you. Why? Because a random girl with any shred of self esteem has nothing at all invested in you, she doesn't know you, she couldn't care less about you. So you think some PUA verbal jujitsu is going to make her panties drop because you say some magic sentence? Nope.

I cannot count the number of times some guy (who, poor thing, like you) spent too much money on PUA theory/books/drank the PUA KoolAid has approached me. And whenever such guys start in with the canned lines or the negs (only an 11 year old would try to use verbal negs these days).... I simply stop them mid-sentence and politely tell them I am not interested....sometimes they believe, as you do, that I mean to try harder. Um. No. I mean GO AWAY but I prefer not to start off rude....So I stop them mid-sentence once again and I say:

Look. I have been polite and told you I am not interested. If you need me to be a b1tch or call security I can, but I'd rather not. I'm not interested so please leave me alone......

Or if I'm feeling sassy I'll ask them point blank: So how's all this canned pick up stuff working out so far...'cause its not working wth me right now...."

And the eyes pop & the jaw drops. Not kidding.

And men have stormed off mad (no emotional regulation) because they just found out the PUA crap they paid real money for is not frame and does not work. And they try again on some other girl, or girls, get more ticked off, eventually leave, and these are the guys who think frame is calculus. It isn't.

But it is FOR THEM, lol.

We love and believe in what we invest in. All humans are like this. CheekyJames has obviously invested a great deal into PUA theory & books etc. So his ego has a tough time understanding that he's bet on the wrong horse. Hope it works out for him.

So I'd love to see a thread where he can school us on frame.

Most men need to get emotional control under their belt long before they start debating the finer points of frame.

 

[Cheeky_James]

I’m down with your idea that frame is more encompassing of simply emotional stability but that red pill garbage you found on AI is Hiroshima level toxic. You either have frame and you feel free to let her join the ride or you keep driving and she jumps out of the train at the next station so to speak. You can maintain frame and be vulnerable and be open to what her needs are while still having her fold into your life a create a mutual life with her but nonetheless still lead. Don’t ever, ever think that you need to manipulate. It’s toxic crap.

hmmmm… I’m still coming from more a pickup perspective. Re your car analogy .
Some posters on the thread like GG, BE, and others mention being a leader /leadership as attractive qualities and tied in with this idea of Frame.

But I don’t think they are aware of all the ‘dirty work’ that is the stock and trade of being a leader.

how do you think a leader or A-type guy gets his winning position at the top?

it ain’t just by being ‘inspiring’ to others all the time through charisma and great fair win-win ideas. If only.
This is a ‘nice’ version of a leader. In reality there’s a lot more going on.

your analogy= it’s my way or the highway/train station.

It’s very hard to ‘maintain frame and be vulnerable and be open to what her needs are’ if her wants and needs are 180 opposite from yours at that decision point. That implies compromise in the middle ground.

leaders/a-types control their environment and people in if to get what THEY want. (And practicing that since they were very young)
But a skilled leader will make it appear as though he is doing all of the above with a woman as he guides her towards what he wants and keeps her in the car and keeps driving. He’ll just reframe her position and disguise his actions cos he’s socially smart. She’ll forget her position afterwards.

that’s the reality of leaders.
for natural leaders /a-types they are super competitive . Everything small thing is a frickin control battle to them is the reality,

I know this well as my older and younger brothers are A-type leaders. And my ex is mega A-type boss b1tch.

 

[Divorced w 3]

hmmmm… I’m still coming from more a pickup perspective. Re your car analogy .
Some posters on the thread like GG, BE, and others mention being a leader /leadership as attractive qualities and tied in with this idea of Frame.

But I don’t think they are aware of all the ‘dirty work’ that is the stock and trade of being a leader.

how do you think a leader or A-type guy gets his winning position at the top?

it ain’t just by being ‘inspiring’ to others all the time through charisma and great fair win-win ideas. If only.
This is a ‘nice’ version of a leader. In reality there’s a lot more going on.

your analogy= it’s my way or the highway/train station.

It’s very hard to ‘maintain frame and be vulnerable and be open to what her needs are’ if her wants and needs are 180 opposite from yours at that decision point. That implies compromise in the middle ground.

leaders/a-types control their environment and people in if to get what THEY want. (And practicing that since they were very young)
But a skilled leader will make it appear as though he is doing all of the above with a woman as he guides her towards what he wants and keeps her in the car and keeps driving. He’ll just reframe her position and disguise his actions cos he’s socially smart. She’ll forget her position afterwards.

that’s the reality of leaders.
for natural leaders /a-types they are super competitive . Everything small thing is a frickin control battle to them is the reality,

I know this well as my older and younger brothers are A-type leaders. And my ex is mega A-type boss b1tch.

Pickup is simply beginning the interaction and then working it through to sex. If you can’t do that by nonverbal communication without lying and manipulating who you are, it’s going to result in a series of short term conquests. If that’s your aim fine.

This other stuff about type A crap, I make more than any of your siblings and I have a fortune 20 pedigree. I largely am independent in my work. I did that so I didn’t have to play the sadistic fake game you’re describing. You’re wrong.

 

[Cheeky_James]

In fact it will negatively impact the interaction the very most if it is a random girl at a bar who doesn't know you. Why? Because a random girl with any shred of self esteem has nothing at all invested in you, she doesn't know you, she couldn't care less about you. So you think some PUA verbal jujitsu is going to make her panties drop because you say some magic sentence? Nope.

you hit something key there.
She doesn’t know you. And you don’t know her.
Which is exactly why a guy should not be afraid to offend her. She’s a nobody who happens to be cute.

BE you ought to know that hot girls in bars and clubs who are horny and thibking of some fun that night are looking for alpha /boss guys if they want to get laid well. Be honest. They hedge their bets cos theyre taking a big risk spreading their legs.

I’ll bet it wasn’t what they said that made you turn those guys down . It was what they said didn’t match their looks. Ie they weren’t good looking enough or HV looking enough to pull it off.

if they had come from a “I want to get to know you” frame.. you’d have knocked them back after a spell regardless.
Cos they didn’t turn u on looks wise or status wise anyway.

I mean you already mentioned you rolled in clubs with playboys and club owners , dated the club owner(?) married an ex player etc you ain’t messing around with guys who don’t have looks or status . Doesn’t matter what Frame they open conversation with.
That’s prob closer to the truth.

Pickup for ONS and seeking connections in bars for future dates and relationships are pretty different strategies.

Taking a female stranger from point A meeting her to point B you two ****ing in a short timespan in one night isn’t about “getting to know her” really.

After sex you are both still relatively strangers tbh,
It’s just the act, just the fun time.
It could happen in 2-3 hours. I know other guys who made it happen sickeningly quick.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Pickup is simply beginning the interaction and then working it through to sex. If you can’t do that by nonverbal communication without lying and manipulating who you are, it’s going to result in a series of short term conquests. If that’s your aim fine.

This other stuff about type A crap, I make more than any of your siblings and I have a fortune 20 pedigree. I largely am independent in my work. I did that so I didn’t have to play the sadistic fake game you’re describing. You’re wrong.

ok so you are staying you are not a leader or manager of any group at work. You are an independent contractor work from home or whatever, Soooo ..,what do you know first hand about the mechanics of leadership again?

Have you ever been an alpha type /leader of a social group then.. or do you not have any first hand experience at all about being a leader(?)

confused.
Am I missing something?
It’s not about money bro, Bill Gates is worth zillions . Afaik he ain’t no Alpha -male.