This forum is going down the drain? So what are we gonna do about it?

[Mistic]

Agreed Brother KontrollerX.

And I'll let you guys in on a little tidbit:

I've never read a Pook post in my life. Not one.

Don't plan to either.

Same here, but I did read one or two, at some point.

 

[MacAvoy]

I've never read a tonne of pook, just what's in the bible but I was having a peek at the book of pook and I came across something interesting. I've always like to quote Anti Dump's never ask to be exclusive thread in the bible, however I just seen a little gem (metaphor) that illustrates his idea even more and I'm going to start including it when I quote AD.

Anti Dump had a metaphor that I like a lot: You should be free as a bird, flapping around, singing, full of joy with life. Women want to ****** the bird and throw it in a cage (cage = committment). When birds try to fly into the cage, wouldn't you think something is wrong with that bird? After all, who wants a bird that WANTS to be in the cage? No, women want the birds that are FREE, WILD, and BEAUTIFUL. They want A GOOD CATCH. Good Catches do not fly into cages. Only wounded or needy birds do.

 

[DonGorgon]

this board is fine...

 

[MacAvoy]

this board is fine...

True bet every so often, we get someone who got dumped, they are lonely, so they look back and think about how great their ex use to be 5 years ago.

My point is, focussing on the past and missing what use to be, will not get you results vs doing something about your life and making what you want happen.

 

[gtownjuan]

What's with the Discussion Forum?????

I get off this site for a week or so and I find this forum drenched with negativity and unproductive DJ atmosphere. I used to actually enjoy coming to this place and I have taken the steps towards DJ nirvana, not that I'm the man or some great PU. How can people who really want to change stand a chance here anymore. I know that if i wanna be better then i will change to become better. But what about when I had no sense of better two years ago and stumped on this site and found definition and inspiration for better. Now how can a AFC in 2008 undergo that same change with what has happened to this forum?? This place needs cleaning up and we are the ones who must take responsibility and fix it, on DJ at a time.

 

[BluEyes]

The board is going through a period of change these days. I for one don't subscribe to any negativity on here.

 

[sosilky]

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I actualy just joined this week. I like the book Wish i knew what you mean about it getting negative in here. Hope I'm not contributiing to that.

 

[gtownjuan]

I actualy just joined this week. I like the book Wish i knew what you mean about it getting negative in here. Hope I'm not contributiing to that.

Welcome and make sure to go to the "DJ BIBLE" link at the bottom of the page and reading the dj bible as well as downloading and reading the other stuff on that page. You actually seam like one the brave ones who actually want something out of your life and is willing to go for it, so no need to worry about negativity. Just understand the DJ principles, apply it to your life and start using what is appropriate and discarding what doesn't fit your style. Best of luck bro.

 

[DonJuan11]

How can people who really want to change stand a chance here anymore. I know that if i wanna be better then i will change to become better. But what about when I had no sense of better two years ago and stumped on this site and found definition and inspiration for better. Now how can a AFC in 2008 undergo that same change with what has happened to this forum?? This place needs cleaning up and we are the ones who must take responsibility and fix it, on DJ at a time.

Pity is very underrated. If people pity you, it gives you reason not to change.

 

[Deadly_Assassin]

You guys have made a valid point. I will just have to learn to accept the way the forum is. It might not be the way it use to be, and it might never get there, just gotta suck it in, hehe.

 

[ThunderMaverick]

Deadly, are you sure maybe the forum hasn't always been this way? I mean when you had posters like Pook and Anti-Dump here, you still had those whiny AFC types who would type every minuet detail on how their date went with some girl who shot them down. You would still have guys who were extremely anti female, etc.

Maybe the great stuff you've already read in the past and maybe you're glossing over the many wonderful post that are happening today? I mean sometimes you can have your fill of this site and you might need to take a break, y'know?

 

[Deadly_Assassin]

Deadly, are you sure maybe the forum hasn't always been this way? I mean when you had posters like Pook and Anti-Dump here, you still had those whiny AFC types who would type every minuet detail on how their date went with some girl who shot them down. You would still have guys who were extremely anti female, etc.

Maybe the great stuff you've already read in the past and maybe you're glossing over the many wonderful post that are happening today? I mean sometimes you can have your fill of this site and you might need to take a break, y'know

yea I know what u mean. I think when I first saw this site, it was like a the matrix being revealed the first time. So every post would have fasinated me. Now, because I have seen it so many times, i guess its become boring.

 

[KarmaSutra]

.....none of it is better than what Rollo, Joekerr, VU, Fingz and many others have posted. I met many situations in life that these posters and others above have been through. I've taken most of their incredible advice and it has worked for me more than Pook ever had. In it's core, what every mature guy I've mentioned here really talks about is...true self awareness and true self improvement. Pook knew how to tell a great story, but his advice and experience wasn't far off from guys like LATINOMAN, STR8UP and even Backbreaker.

This is why I like the mature man's forum so much. It's not about "bagging chicks". Bagging chicks should always be secondary to being better than who you were last week or the year before. Afterall, if you don't like yourself you'll end up like "Mystery". Sure you can bang chicks. So can any meat head frat guy.

Nothings changed here. People like the men above will continue to write great threads and maybe one day when or if they ever leave this place my experience alone will be able to be passed on to new members here who desperately looked for answers everywhere but here.

Now to you guys who talk about how it "used to be" take your "used to be"s and start another forum. Your b!tching is no good to anyone here.

The past is dead. I only have reference to posts which have changed and re molded by unique paradigm. This is why I love to read from the brothers I do. Victory Unlimited, Rollo, Interceptor, STR8UP, Joekerr, and every regular contributor to the MM forum.

I understand that if one is to avoid the follies of the future you need to understand the past. Problem is, Pook was never in MY past so it's unrelatable to me.

 

[Jitterbug]

This seems to be one popular theme on every forum. There's another forum I've been a member of for 8 years. Every now and then, there are a few veterans who come back from their long hiatus, pine for the good old times and cr@p on how bad the forum has become, completely forgetting that the good old times were just as bad/good. It was just different. And people are generally bad at adapting to changes.

 

[squirrels]

This seems to be one popular theme on every forum. There's another forum I've been a member of for 8 years. Every now and then, there are a few veterans who come back from their long hiatus, pine for the good old times and cr@p on how bad the forum has become, completely forgetting that the good old times were just as bad/good. It was just different. And people are generally bad at adapting to changes.

See, that's the THING, though. The "veterans" didn't care about the "forum". They were womanizers. The forum was just a means of discussing information.

This happens on any popular forum. And it's not necessarily a BAD thing, but it changes things a little bit.

Most of the people on here NOW are "forum nerds" FIRST and womanizers/mature males SECOND. To most people on here, it doesn't matter if they NEVER get anywhere in life, as long as people on the forum respect them.

The forum has gone from being a means to being an end in itself. That's why sight has been lost. That's why "old-timers" occasionally come back and talk about how this place has gone to hell, just before disappearing again.

A lot of people talk about shutting THIS forum down or picking up the same people and moving them to another forum, but the problem moves with the people. They don't say, "Finally, a place where we can discuss our pursuits of women without interruption!" They say, "Look, another forum we can pretend to be enlightened and engage in flame wars on!!"

The very discussion of women is only to make it LOOK like they're still in touch with the forum's theme. Like I said, very few "forum veterans" on here care about getting laid or finding a nice woman to settle down with. They're here because the forum is here, not vice-versa "like it used to be".

I only post here when I'm bored at work. Why have my posts been so "negative"? Because every time I log on here, I see a bunch of people who are spouting the same mantras and having the same problems...not NEW people, the SAME people...for no other reason than that's what people do on this forum.

The negative energy DOES bring me down, I'll admit that, and maybe I need to be a little stronger in my personal frame. But that's the reason that you don't see "field reports" and good tips here any more...because the people giving field reports are out in the FIELD. They gave up forums because they didn't sign on here just for the experience of "being on a forum".

 

[ElStud]

The main problem with the forum now, the way I see it, is there are far too many KBJ's, haters and overall, people who give bad advice. If people would stop bragging, hating, making assumptions(You know who you are) and would actually try and HELP people(Hating and making assumptions isn't advice BTW like a lot of people think), this forum would be so much better.

 

[My Name is Nobody]

The forum is going down? On who?

 

[KontrollerX]

"Which part?

The two posts by women, which each have 5 or more pages of replies, showing how much guys on here are just dying to look good in the face of women like iqqi, who is probably an ugly tramp herself?"

This is a good point I have to give this one to ya.

Still since you asked which part I'll answer all the reset, KarmaSutra, guru, Rollo Tomassi, Desdinova, Penkitten, Victory Unlimited, and Interceptor posts and anyone with a positive message that has helped someone here that I have forgotten. You see Squirrels there are so many great posters here I cannot remember them all and I have such a great respect for all the posters here that help people (even those I have had fights with such as senor fingerz) that I am ashamed I cannot remember them all currently to post their names here for you to see.

"Or maybe the three or four live threads about why women are flaking on the first or second date?"

There were posts like this back in the oldschool days as well that the regs back then would complain about.

Its like this on every forum out there if you think about it.

There is always one member crying about how the past was better less spam, less trolls, better posts, etc.

Its kind of funny though as whenever I would check such a posters post history they would be crying about how bad the forum was during the supposed "golden age" of it as well and how the mods "needed to crack down".

"Or maybe you're talking about the threads about people who are 40 and haven't had sex in years and are lamenting about how hard "the game" is?"

Can't think of anyone who fits the bill here for this. Lets see Str8up is 36, jophil is late 40's or early 50's, Rollo is married, joekerr and reset are early 30's. Nope can't think of any 40 year olds who have made such a post.

"Or maybe the people who hero-worship Rollo Tomassi and call women "plates" like it makes them sound enlightened?"

Or maybe they say it because they simply believe it is a term that has become common place here such as AFC or DJ so they might as well use it?

Maybe they use it out of respect for Rollo since his advice has helped them.

"No, wait...you must be talking about the people who yammer on about the "feminatrix" and whine about how men are so oppressed and how life sucks for us and we were dealt a raw hand. You know, instead of getting up and doing something about it."

Posters on here have complained that Pook's blog had become such a place and if you think about it maybe his hardcore followers who read his blog brought that mindset here and you've read it's influence in certain poster's topics?

http://dapook.blogspot.com/2008/01/huxley-and-orwell-foretold-matriarchy.html

http://dapook.blogspot.com/search?q=Lace+Curtain

So yeah if you're going to keep insulting Rollo and others for talking about the "feminatrix" maybe give Pook some credit by sharing your negativity towards him for his talk about the "Matriarchy" and "Lace Curtain" since ya know they're one in the same with feminism ie feminatrix.

"Or maybe you're talking about all the self-proclaimed philosophical geniuses who want to tell the world how life works, even though they struggle at it so much that they haunt a forum built around guys who can't get chicks."

There's tons of highly intelligent posters on the MM board who would fit the "philosophical poster" bill and I've never seen a one of them "self proclaim themselves as philosophical geniuses" or say they had life totally figured out.

Not joekerr, not myself, not Rollo, not Victory Unlimited (who you quote in your sig btw), not Interceptor, not a one. It'd be nice though if you would of provided some examples and actual concrete evidence as opposed to offering oh you know...none. You're as bad as those kids who were trying to get a poster banned a few months back who wouldn't provide any links to evidence of said poster's wrong doing which any mod with a sense of fairness about him would need to see before banning that person.

Consider that maybe they don't visit this forum for the bullsh!t reason you posted and instead maybe they get strength out of helping others as well get strength from the positivity they can find here from other like minded individuals because they are able to filter out the negative posters such as yourself from the positive posters and instead focus on interacting with the positive posters as well help new struggling posters become better men when they need help and ask for it.

"The reason this forum has gone to sh!t is simple. It used to be made up of people who were passionate about bagging attractive women. They had FUN doing this...it wasn't an obligation for them. They didn't feel like they had to be "players" to be cool. They did it because they loved it.

Now it's made up of people who aren't DRIVEN to get women, but feel like they OUGHT to because of the pressure society puts on us to mate. So they gather here and whine about how hard it is, get VERY good advice, go out, DON'T apply it, and then whine some more. They don't have FUN talking to women. But they listened to enough hip-hop to learn that, "If you ain't a playa wif 6 bichizz in da bed, you ain't cool".

Or maybe they read Pook blog posts like this one...

http://dapook.blogspot.com/2007/12/radicalism-of-vilar-8-even-in-sex-man.html

Even though he has abandoned this style of thinking recently there is still wisdom in it.

In anycase though like others have already told you before I squirrels...

"Be the change you want to see in the world" or rather the forum.

(I think the first part of that is a Ghandi quote for anyone interested but I'm not sure.)

Yeah though if you don't like a certain way something is going Squirrels you can either follow Karma's advice and don't let the door hit you on the way out or you can re-focus your energy on some positive contributions. You know. Something you would like to see more of here. I know this is the attitude I've taken on other forums when I felt strongly they needed to shift focus in a different direction. I didn't sit there and b!tch and whine about it. I posted and posted and posted until I either got banned or the forum shifted its focus because they could see the wisdom of what I was saying.

Its like you said earlier don't talk about it do it. Make your change if you can by posting the way you think posts should be made here. I do remember a time when you were quite a bit more positive. Maybe all you need to do is reclaim that, make positivity your cause and message again as well as turning the focus back on what you'd like to see here in posts. Even if the forum experiences no drastic shift from what you do it can become more balanced out and thats really what being a DJ is all about. Balance. You doing this as opposed to whining benefits not only you but the board and your fellow posters.

Your positive style has always been a bit too "hot headed" for my taste but it has helped people so I hope to see that Squirrels or an even better one return if you are to remain on the forum with us.

"So there's only ONE reasonable conclusion...most of you guys on here just AREN'T THAT PASSIONATE about women, but are too insecure in your masculinity and social image to admit that there are things you'd rather be doing than wasting energy on chicks. So you come up with these grand theories to make it LOOK like you understand women, and then turn and run the other way when a girl comes into the room."

Or maybe we realize as Interceptor so eloquently said that if our inner game is not sound we will fail in all areas of our life women included so the focus has shifted here to improving on that and it is a good shift in my opinion. We've had a lot of guys come back here from the supposed "golden age" talking about how it helped them but they fell flat on their face when they reverted back to their AFC mindset. And why did they revert back to AFCdom? Simply because they never worked out their inner issues ie inner game. In other words they were only playing at being a DJ not actually being a DJ and believing in it as something to embrace for a total life change. DJ to them was merely a technique not a way of life.

"You have all the tools you need to get what you want from women. The only thing that will make it happen, though, is when YOU DECIDE that you WANT a woman bad enough to use those tools. Until then, you're just blowing hot air out your face-hole when you talk about chicks.

That's why Pook left. Because life is out THERE. Not in HERE."

If he did not believe in the value of sites like this he would not of created his blog to continue his works for people's benefit.

A counter argument could be made that no he only made the blog for himself but if that were the case he could just as easily use wordpad and not have his messages posted up for the world and those interested to see.

 

[Jitterbug]

squirrels,

I haven't been here that long (lurked for a year before signing up) so excuse my ignorance, but I thought that there are few FRs here because there's no privacy and the FRs are indexed, cached and searchable on the Internet, open to the world. I post all of my FRs on a small members-only seduction subforum of another site. I'd still cut out names & so on, but I prefer to be specific with some details, and don't want those to be visible to the public.

I treat my FRs like a blog for myself to look back and see where I was at. I personally don't find reading other people's FRs very useful, as words can only describe so much.

As for tips & information, I don't know if we need more. I mean, there are more than enough in The Archives & the Don Juan Tips sections. Whenever I'm about to ask a question, I usually look up the answer first in those sections and I always find one. Applying the lessons there is hard though. If everyone here actually goes through the DJ Bible and applies its lessons in their dealing with women, there probably won't be much discussion needed on this forum at all.

Some people used those skills they learned here, became successful and moved on. Life is much more than getting women. Some decided to stick around and help the young ones. Some never learn their lessons and just keep hitting the same walls over and over again. That sounds like...pretty much every area in life to me. I don't see the reason to get so worked up over it. If you don't like how this place is now, take a break or move on. This place isn't perfect. It has some good things and some bad things. Take what you find useful for yourself, give back some knowledge that you've accumulated, and chuck away the negatives.

 

[My Name is Nobody]

The two posts by women, which each have 5 or more pages of replies, showing how much guys on here are just dying to look good in the face of women like iqqi, who is probably an ugly tramp herself?

I have a feeling in my gut Iqqi is hot, and my gut never lies! At least I don't think it does. Maybe that's not my gut.. damn I need to get laid.