Thic Community Seems Confused about the Mystery Method

[Dongfu]

alright, now ask yourself... at the end of the day, or the next morning... which guy is the better man? who is living a happier, more productive and fulfilling life?

-SLB

Great point, I totally agree. But as you mentioned, both guys get the girl, which is what we're discussing. I dont think there is any debate that Mystery isn't the happiest cat.

Hey, there's a great title for his new book: The Misery Method - A PUA that fell off :rockon:

 

[zerocelcius]

heres how i see the issue of scripts/lines, bogus attraction weapons, etc:

a girl is sitting at the bar, having a drink with her friends. a good looking man comes up to her, gains her attention, sits down and begins conversing with her.

she finds herself excited by the man, who is now telling her a fantastic story about this time he was camping by himself in the middle of a forest, and how he came across a bear and all kinds of wild, crazy things happened...

the thought of the flannel shirt, scruffy 5oclock shadow, choppin' up firewood and fishing and everything really excites the girl. really turns her on... they both keep up with the stories, have a few drinks, over time touch eachother more and more as they talk until theyre holding hands, dancing... kissing...


now, imagine that everything else being equal, two "different" types of that guy swooned that girl at the bar that night.

a) the guy who really did go on those camping trips in the woods and years later he can always look back, with a genuine feeling of satisfaction for some of the things hes done in life. his life hasnt always been by the book, but hes had some wild adventurous times and loves to trade stories.

b) the guy who DIDNT go on any camping trips. but went to a bar, approached a girl, and told her a bogus story which she thought was real... from the girls perspective, hes good looking, seems interested in her, tells all kinds of wild stories. but the guy doesnt have stories of his own.. theyre from a website, of 'how to bed women.' none of his exciting stories are legit. he actually spends 90% of his free time on the net.

at the end of the night, both types of guy in this scenario bed the girl that night.

alright, now ask yourself... at the end of the day, or the next morning... which guy is the better man? who is living a happier, more productive and fulfilling life?

-SLB

The girl!

Two guys one night... and each had amazing stories with bears in them...

 

[nicenomore]

The girl!

Two guys one night... and each had amazing stories with bears in them...

sweeet!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[abcd_z]

Moving back to the purpose of the original post, perhaps going over Mystery Method might be useful at this point?

Open: 3-second rule, indirect opener, false time constraint
Attract: DHVs, IVDs, negs, shouldn't take longer than 15-20 minutes before she's willing to qualify herself.
Qualify: A better description might be "get her to qualify herself". Bait-hook-reel-release is good for this. You qualifying her or giving her a statement of intent (SOI)can come right after she qualifies herself, or you can wait a bit and qualify/SOI her in comfort phase.
Comfort: The bulk of the time spent in the sarge, excluding fools mates that skip comfort-building entirely. Ideally, it consists of building comfort at the attraction location, at one or more comfort-building locations, and eventually at the seduction location.
Seduction: Here's where you may have to handle last-minute resistance. Liberal use of takeaways and freezeouts may be needed. An excellent idea of CaptainJack's is to initiate takeaways when you sense her tensing up as a way of pre-empting her concerns.

On top of that, there's kino and compliance testing and microcalibration, logistics, phone game, frame control, body language and peacocking, which I have neither the time or inclination to go into. Anything else I missed?

 

[young_gun]

Moving back to the purpose of the original post, perhaps going over Mystery Method might be useful at this point?

Open: 3-second rule, indirect opener, false time constraint
Attract: DHVs, IVDs, negs, shouldn't take longer than 15-20 minutes before she's willing to qualify herself.
Qualify: A better description might be "get her to qualify herself". Bait-hook-reel-release is good for this. You qualifying her or giving her a statement of intent (SOI)can come right after she qualifies herself, or you can wait a bit and qualify/SOI her in comfort phase.
Comfort: The bulk of the time spent in the sarge, excluding fools mates that skip comfort-building entirely. Ideally, it consists of building comfort at the attraction location, at one or more comfort-building locations, and eventually at the seduction location.
Seduction: Here's where you may have to handle last-minute resistance. Liberal use of takeaways and freezeouts may be needed. An excellent idea of CaptainJack's is to initiate takeaways when you sense her tensing up as a way of pre-empting her concerns.

On top of that, there's kino and compliance testing and microcalibration, logistics, phone game, frame control, body language and peacocking, which I have neither the time or inclination to go into. Anything else I missed?

LOL, I don't understand why guys think they need Mystery Method. DO THEY NOT LIKE THEMSELVES? DO THEY NOT THINK A WOMAN WOULD WANT THEM FOR WHO THEY ARE? DO THEY HAVE TO TELL BOGUS STORIES TO GET A WOMAN TO LIKE THEM? Pathetic.

What if you actually got into a relationship with the girl? "Uhhh, yeah, those stories I made up, uhhh aren't real. They're actually stories I got online so I could get you into bed with me." That's the mark of a real man.

 

[Dongfu]

LOL, I don't understand why guys think they need Mystery Method. DO THEY NOT LIKE THEMSELVES? DO THEY NOT THINK A WOMAN WOULD WANT THEM FOR WHO THEY ARE? DO THEY HAVE TO TELL BOGUS STORIES TO GET A WOMAN TO LIKE THEM? Pathetic.

What if you actually got into a relationship with the girl? "Uhhh, yeah, those stories I made up, uhhh aren't real. They're actually stories I got online so I could get you into bed with me." That's the mark of a real man.

No one said you have to tell fake stories. Real one's ones will work fine, if you've ever done anything cool.

 

[Snow Plowman]

While I don't do MM, I fully respect everything that man has brought to the PU community. Some guys on here don't realize the contribution he made, thousands of guys have changed there lives because of this man's method and many have gone on to even expand on it.

There are holes though but before I talk about the holes, one thing I must say

If you think MM is about canned material, negging, DHVing, etc. Then you don't know anything about Mystery Method, plan and simple. It pisses me off that people bash the method when they don't even understand it.

So what is MM?

Mystery Method is the M3 Model (His structure)
A1: Start Conversation
A2: Gain interest from the girl
A3: Give interest to the girl
C1-C3: Vibing/Rapport, TBing (If neccessary), Day2s, instadates, venue change, etc
S1-S3: F-closing her

This is the foundation of MM.

Now for newbies just know the structure as above, and understand the fundamentals that MM teaches. (Not NEGs, DHV Stories, etc) After that you can plug in your own things...

Man 1
A1: Direct Opener
A2: Push/Pull, C&F
A3: Screening
C1-C3: Wide Rapport, Quick escalation, Isolation
S1-S3: Bring to bathroom and F-close

Man 2
A1: No Opener (Hi)
A2: Cold Reads and Mini-Cold Reads
A3: Compliance Tests
C1-C3: Sharing Stories, # and Day2
S1-S3: Bring home and f-close

Man 3
A1: Compliment Openers
A2: DHV Stories, Games
A3: Commonalites
C1-C3: Grounding Identity and deep rapport
S1-S3: Instadate, # close, meet at her house and f-close

If some of you bashers didn't get that then your retarded, plan and simple. All three guys go about it in a different way but do the same exact model. In field you wouldn't even be able to tell these guys are doing the same MM.

This is why I laugh at some guys who bash this stuff. It's like trying to say it can't rain but yet you know you've seen rain before. You've seen or heard about many guys who've learned from MM and who are now so called "gurus".

What many fail to realize is that these guys are regular guys.

Now the only problems with MM is that they reccommend using Canned material as training wheels, but what starts to develop is guys wrap this "Game" around there core "Identity". It gets to the point where if you bet them to approach without and canned materail they wouldn't be able to do it. Another thing is that some of the guys use canned material so much that they always seek for that reaction from the girl aka "Button pushing".

If you've read any of MM instructors LRs/FRs of this year, they even mention they don't use routines on some of there approaches.

As far as the show goes, we all knew it was for entertainment purposes. They wouldn't be that bad if they spent 8 weeks with mystery. Heck guys spend 3 days on a bootcamp and get a boost in there game far less 8 weeks. Think about it.

 

[Dongfu]

If you think MM is about canned material, negging, DHVing, etc. Then you don't know anything about Mystery Method, plan and simple.

Uh huh, praise da lawd, you sad it right, uhm huh :woo:

Hey, I am making a request that people with less than 1000, posts, or who have been on this forum less than 5 years post there age by screen name. You made some strong statements, and people will be more likely to hear it if we know your not 16

 

[Dongfu]

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What is the book this article is referring to near the bottom of the page?

The Mystery Method

 

[ketostix]

One reason people might be confused about MM is that so many people tweak it, change it and gloss over any part that doesn't work too well, i.e., negs. Then they still call it the MM. Some of the ideas in MM are good and it's comprehensive, maybe even complicated to work in the field. I think it's complexity causes confusion. Anyone who says that trying to use the MM in abar won't backfire on you many times is probably not being honest.

Mystery borrowed a lot of his ideas from other's. What I think he did was put it all into one system and marketed it really well. And made a lot of money in the process.

 

[young_gun]

I'll bash it all I want thanks.

 

[ketostix]

While I don't do MM, I fully respect everything that man has brought to the PU community. Some guys on here don't realize the contribution he made, thousands of guys have changed there lives because of this man's method and many have gone on to even expand on it.

There are holes though but before I talk about the holes, one thing I must say

If you think MM is about canned material, negging, DHVing, etc. Then you don't know anything about Mystery Method, plan and simple. It pisses me off that people bash the method when they don't even understand it.

So what is MM?

Mystery Method is the M3 Model (His structure)
A1: Start Conversation
A2: Gain interest from the girl
A3: Give interest to the girl
C1-C3: Vibing/Rapport, TBing (If neccessary), Day2s, instadates, venue change, etc
S1-S3: F-closing her

This is the foundation of MM.

Now for newbies just know the structure as above, and understand the fundamentals that MM teaches. (Not NEGs, DHV Stories, etc) After that you can plug in your own things...

Man 1
A1: Direct Opener
A2: Push/Pull, C&F
A3: Screening
C1-C3: Wide Rapport, Quick escalation, Isolation
S1-S3: Bring to bathroom and F-close

Man 2
A1: No Opener (Hi)
A2: Cold Reads and Mini-Cold Reads
A3: Compliance Tests
C1-C3: Sharing Stories, # and Day2
S1-S3: Bring home and f-close

Man 3
A1: Compliment Openers
A2: DHV Stories, Games
A3: Commonalites
C1-C3: Grounding Identity and deep rapport
S1-S3: Instadate, # close, meet at her house and f-close

If some of you bashers didn't get that then your retarded, plan and simple. All three guys go about it in a different way but do the same exact model. In field you wouldn't even be able to tell these guys are doing the same MM.

This is why I laugh at some guys who bash this stuff. It's like trying to say it can't rain but yet you know you've seen rain before. You've seen or heard about many guys who've learned from MM and who are now so called "gurus".

What many fail to realize is that these guys are regular guys.

Now the only problems with MM is that they recommend using Canned material as training wheels, but what starts to develop is guys wrap this "Game" around there core "Identity". It gets to the point where if you bet them to approach without and canned materail they wouldn't be able to do it. Another thing is that some of the guys use canned material so much that they always seek for that reaction from the girl aka "Button pushing".

If you've read any of MM instructors LRs/FRs of this year, they even mention they don't use routines on some of there approaches.

As far as the show goes, we all knew it was for entertainment purposes. They wouldn't be that bad if they spent 8 weeks with mystery. Heck guys spend 3 days on a bootcamp and get a boost in there game far less 8 weeks. Think about it.

Well see this is how people take the Mystery Method (mostly M3 model) then they add what they want, and tke some parts away, and tweak it then say, "This is the Mystery method, it's perfect, it's great". When really even a juvenile can figure out when you approach a girl there's a Begining (opener), Middle (comfort), End (fclose). Just about everything has a beginning, middle and an ending.

I'm no MM expert but he does explain how to do his method with among other things: Peacock (black finger nails), ignore your target, neg her and act disinterested, DHV, "Use canned routines and stories over and over until they become congruent with your personality", approach 12 girls a night with routines. He did explain it that way. I don't know why people don't mention it and even deny it. Maybe he said a lot of other things too, but maybe that's just causing confusion and back tracking. Gurus like to CYA.

I'm not saying it's all bad but it is indirect game, it was at least originally routine and canned game. I think, as it was explained by Mystery, the MM was not a very good plan to indirect game. I doubt many guys got many hotgirls using it as they claim. Most people I knew had to tweak it and tweak it to get any results.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

...If you think MM is about canned material, negging, DHVing, etc. Then you don't know anything about Mystery Method, plan and simple. It pisses me off that people bash the method when they don't even understand it.....

That's all I've been saying.

 

[Bonez]

Well see this is how people take the Mystery Method (mostly M3 model) then they add what they want, and tke some parts away, and tweak it then say, "This is the Mystery method, it's perfect, it's great". When really even a juvenile can figure out when you approach a girl there's a Begining (opener), Middle (comfort), End (fclose). Just about everything has a beginning, middle and an ending.

I'm no MM expert but he does explain how to do his method with among other things: Peacock (black finger nails), ignore your target, neg her and act disinterested, DHV, "Use canned routines and stories over and over until they become congruent with your personality", approach 12 girls a night with routines. He did explain it that way. I don't know why people don't mention it and even deny it. Maybe he said a lot of other things too, but maybe that's just causing confusion and back tracking. Gurus like to CYA.

I'm not saying it's all bad but it is indirect game, it was at least originally routine and canned game. I think, as it was explained by Mystery, the MM was not a very good plan to indirect game. I doubt many guys got many hotgirls using it as they claim. Most people I knew had to tweak it and tweak it to get any results.

Well I know I've been using the "who lies more" opener for some time. I don't think I've used it the way it was intended in months though. Just as an inside joke with friends when people start talking bull. I am congruent with that routine, I've tweaked it, and I like it, but never did I depend on it like some people might believe if I said I "used" it in my pick ups.

Anyways, I get the "mystery method" now. The M3 model of start, middle, finish... its stupid to assume thats not the way the world works.

A1-3: Approach hooker
C1-3: Comfort her with cash
S1-3: Sex her up

If I ever decide to hook up with a hooker than I'll still be using the mystery method.

 

[xdreamz]

ok everybody shut the **** up if you hate the mystery method or spend time bashing him on the internet then you are a flaming faggot and you deserve to eat **** and balls

 

[Bonez]

ok everybody shut the **** up if you hate the mystery method or spend time bashing him on the internet then you are a flaming faggot and you deserve to eat **** and balls

Dude, grow a ****ing brain.

How long have you been this immature? Since the day you joined?

When will you learn to grow up? Get some common sense in you, go sarging, and don't make stupid ass assumptions all the time.

 

[zerocelcius]

Uh huh, praise da lawd, you sad it right, uhm huh :woo:

Hey, I am making a request that people with less than 1000, posts, or who have been on this forum less than 5 years post there age by screen name. You made some strong statements, and people will be more likely to hear it if we know your not 16

Why 1000 posts? If somebody wanted to they could do that in a month.

look at some of the people with that many votes and look at the join date. Some have over a thousand in a year...

Just

 

[Dongfu]

Why 1000 posts? If somebody wanted to they could do that in a month.

look at some of the people with that many votes and look at the join date. Some have over a thousand in a year...

Just

Good point. WHat I was thinking is that guys who joined years ago, who have a lot of sensible posts, I dont really care if they are 22 or 32, or whatever. Of course if you have a 1000 in a year, and none of them hold much weight, then post #'s dont really matter.

 

[Derek Flint]

ok everybody shut the **** up if you hate the mystery method or spend time bashing him on the internet then you are a flaming faggot and you deserve to eat **** and balls

Mystery Method is perfect for you - immature, LSE and a fanboy of the guru of the month.

Who will you idolize next month? Which "guru" will you proclaim to be the best then?

If you can't take a little criticism of your precious "guru", god forbid some girl would reject you in the field, as you would go "Mode Four" in an instant.

If you don't know what "Mode 4" is, I suggest you read "Mode One" by Roger Allen Currie, as you are displaying classic Mode Four behavior, which you most likely do when you don't get your way with women.

So instead of growing up and maturing, you play manipulative little games like MM teaches instead of being a Man and not a little hypersensitive boy who can't deal with adversity, let alone a little criticism.

Or didn't MM teach you how to deal with that?

 

[Phyzzle]

^^Derek, I'm pretty sure that's HenryDreamx, a mindless troll who has been banned ad infinitum. His job is to make incoherent, vaguely offensive-sounding posts.