Thic Community Seems Confused about the Mystery Method

[Dongfu]

I am wondering if a general concensus about the MM techniques could be reached in this forum. On one hand there is a lot of MM bashing, at the same time many posters are condoning and quoting some of the techniques. MM language and terminology is certain used with great liberty here.

The opinions here are scattered to say the least. And with so many posters claiming, "you dont need to read the MM or David D, or whaterver. You can get everything you need right here, and it's FREE"

Okay, yes, within this forum, there are certainly gems of reliable wisdom, scatered throughout a vast field of disagreement and misinformation.

Then there is the DJ bible, which many claim is the source of all wisdom. If so, then why have a forum? The truth has already been spoken. All these AFC questions are being answered by random posters of various skill level, that may actually be causing more harm.

So, my proposal is to create some cohesion in the forum, at least in regards to the MM, which seems to be the focus of so many posts.

I suggest we break it down from the beginning. Debate it, come to a general agreement, and then move on to the next section until its done. Then create a MM Disected Bible.

This is the only way to get this forum moving in a better direction. Right now the boat is a little stuck, and alot of energy is being wasted going in circles about the MM.

 

[Phyzzle]

Hey who are you calling thic?

Well, you're about to get a flood of 19 year old key board jockeys saying,

You don't need tricks/ techniques/ routines/ skills/ game/ subtlety/ thought/ effort to get laid! Just grab your balls/man up/walk up to a big group of people, interrupt their convo, grab the hand of the hottest chick, and say "Hi, are you single?" Yeah, that'll work!

My last 4 approaches involved DHV and qualifying. Two were with a time constraint. Here are some finer examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0mU3sB0quw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZzjExe0XsA&NR=1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5cgmIMvgY...elated&search=

I think most reasonable people here agree: MM will get you laid, but it can be bad for your mental well-being if you rely on it too much.

MM followers should definitely read this:
http://www.bristollair.com/inner-game/identity-and-beliefs/social-robots.html

 

[Dongfu]

^^^Title supposed to read: This forum - sorry

And yes, we'll see where this post goes.

ANd BTW, those live footage mystery links are great. WHatever you may think about this guy and his book, what he is doing here is the way it's done.

I'd like to see anyone on this forum disect these videos and try to say where mystery went wrong. The only complaint I have is that these girls were average at best, maybe HB6.749's at best

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

...MM followers should definitely read this:
http://www.bristollair.com/inner-game/identity-and-beliefs/social-robots.html

Reminds me of the funniest (in a sad way) part of "The Game," the section when seemingly every guy in LA was in on stealing Neil's identity for themself to the point of giving it a name "Style-mogging." :crackup:

 

[Bonez]

So since this is your thread... whaere should we start?

Do you want to be the chair, the speaker, defense, crown, judge, jury?

I think MM is great, I use his ideas, but I stopped paying attention a while ago. If his advice could guide me in life right now I would care, but he is limited in my mind to presentation. He isn't a great guide when it comes to strategy in life, his method makes me look at seduction as my drive to become what I want to be.

 

[Interceptor]

MM is hands down IMHO the entity responsible for ORGANIZING the attraction/seduction stages in human mating. It is scientifically accepted in fact.
You have the attraction/sedcution model BROKEN DOWN for us to understand.
You know how to go from point A, to B, to C, etc.
Some people refer to the MM to sharpen up their game, and tighten it a bit, others are completely clueless. The MM is there to provide primarily for the clueless in a club environment. And meant to be used on mostly women whom you may be intimidated by. Hence the DHV and Negs.

IF you have seduced a woman, you have used the MM Model.
You have not seduced a woman YET, it is becaus YOU HAVE NOT used the MM Model.

The MM Model is the scientific explanation how attraction/seduction WORKS.
If you skip ANY STAGE of the model, you will fail.

The MM spells it out in as comprehensive and deep as humanly possible.
They do everything they can to INCREASE THE CHANCES of you suceeding, IF you follow the MODEL AND apply the techniques they tell you to USE.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

...The MM spells it out in as comprehensive and deep as humanly possible.....

Which takes more time and effort than what most guys are willing to put into it. That's why they are hung-up on the bootcamp-like, noob fluff of canned lines and mind games without getting into the depths of why people do particular things during social interactions. If they can't immediately change their lives they don't believe the methodology will work. It's the premise of disheartened men.

 

[Derek Flint]

Well, I will say that the MM probably works for Mystery, but I haven't seen it work for the 8 contestants on his show as they have managed only a couple of kiss closes between them with a 6 and a 6.5

I can go out and if I approach 10 6.5's, pretending that I don't even speak English, I can kiss close half of them.

We used to have a section for various seduction methods. Perhaps we should bring that back.

But as mentioned above, MM can have a "dark side" in that people will become dependent on it instead of developing themselves and becoming real PUA's and not Mystery clones.

And picking up chicks that are actually hot.

 

[Bonez]

So last night when my friend was sitting with a girl and came up to me and said "do you know her" I looked up from serving drinks and said "nope, what drink do you want for her".

was that part of the MM interceptor?

When I went on my break, sat down with her, and said "what are you doing tonight". Was that MM?

When I didn't care what she said and asked her before closing "you wanna party" was that MM? How about me thinking she was partying with my friend that liked her, but instead unwittingly made her wait outside for 30 minutes while I finished working was that MM? How about when I got to the party to have her, one of the only stone cold sober girls come up to me and say "THAT guy is freaking me out" pointing to my friend... was it MM that made me say "get the **** out of my face, James get over here"? I don't put up with stuck up *****s who insult my friends, I wouldn't have gone with her even if she didn't say it because, she was too clingy.

I used to use MM, but I can't for the life of me figure out how I seduced that girl so hard. Was it that I am so congruent with MM that I don't even have to think of it anymore?

 

[Interceptor]

Dude, the MM just shows you the info, it does not guarantee success. NO METHOD "guarantees" SUCCESS!
Just look at the model.
For each part of the attraction stage to the seduction stage the MM gives you techniques. It's just like the martial arts. I can show you lots of moves,techniques, principles, philosophies. and show you different styles, etc but if you can't put it into practice and do it yourself in real time, who's fault is that??
Granted, every one wants to see immediate RESULTS, but you have to understand that FEW people are able to accelerate and excel in huge leaps and bounds, especially when they don't know jack sh*t about women and attraction. Hell, most gusy don't even know anything about eye contact, body language, voice, dressing well etc!
think about that.

At the end of the day the MM is just responsible for organizing what was already there form the begining. They justy put nature in a neat little package for you to grasp and try to conceptualize.
They'r etaking credit for grabbing Nature, writing it down and organizing, and trying to fit techniques in there to give the guys somethign to use in each Stage.
Remember, guys, there are A LOT of clueless guys out there who have NO IDEA WHAt to do in the first place.

edit: read this:

http://themysterymethod.com/content/view/169/31

 

[Dongfu]

So since this is your thread... whaere should we start?

Do you want to be the chair, the speaker, defense, crown, judge, jury?

Maybe moderator or mediator

 

[Dongfu]

Okay, so far the picture i'm getting is that the MM consists of bonifide data.

Keeping to the purpose of the post, we are not talking about how MM can help you with your life, etc. We are purely looking at it from a logical view of is it effective and congruent. Is there any major holes? If so, where?

 

[zerocelcius]

Like Interceptor said:

MM is just Nature Broke down into a logical diagram. No different than Math, Science, Sociology, etc.

Most of the stuff I read in Mystery's book I remember from Sociology class. Most of the terms actually come from the text books.

I really don't think anybody has a problem with MM. I think they have a problem with the semantics. Pure and Simple.

Where some say "DHV" others use "Be the Prize" and this goes on and on.

Every term we use on here gets blasted because of some miss-interpretation.

Maybe instead of breaking down MM we could just rewrite it.

“Mystery Method for Dummies.”

 

[Dongfu]

Maybe instead of breaking down MM we could just rewrite it.“Mystery Method for Dummies.”

Pretty much what i'm suggesting

 

[Derek Flint]

Buy his new book on Amazon.com and read it for yourself and then decide.

I'm familiar with some of his work and have bought his book even though I don't like or us his methods because I am open minded and open to new ideas, but I really don't think much of it and think it will actually prevent people from progressing, much like most tricks and tactics and techniques and gimmicks.

Remember, Mystery is an illusionist first and foremost.

He is selling the illusion of being high value as opposed to becoming high value.

 

[zerocelcius]

Buy his new book on Amazon.com and read it for yourself and then decide.

I'm familiar with some of his work and have bought his book even though I don't like or us his methods because I am open minded and open to new ideas, but I really don't think much of it and think it will actually prevent people from progressing, much like most tricks and tactics and techniques and gimmicks.

Remember, Mystery is an illusionist first and foremost.

He is selling the illusion of being high value as opposed to becoming high value.

Yea but that is Mystery himself. His method is just a diagram of Nature. He ripped off sociology and made it comprehensive to the average Joe. His fundamentals are sound.

You may not give him credit as a person, but his method is just a basic explanation for how nature works.

 

[young_gun]

Mystery Method is good, but those who have no understanding of the game don't realize that it's not about rattling off a thousand "field-tested" routines and "stacking sets". It's more about gaining the confidence and the proper mindset of a guy who is truly good with women. Sure, the routines and patterns and such that they use work (no doubt about that). But I think that I would be really bothered with myself if the only way I could attract a woman would be to use the "cutest kid routine followed by the numbers game followed to phase-shift" etc.

 

[zerocelcius]

Here is MM for Dummies:

Follow All Steps in ORDER!

1. Put on Nice Clothes. Like the ones grandma makes you wear to church!
2. Get off the computer…No you don’t have to log off of myspace.com just get off the computer.
3. Leave the House. Yes you have to leave the house… JUST DO IT!!
4. Go where girls are. … What do you mean you don’t know where they are…. Try a Bar they will be drunk there.
5. Find Pretty Girl…. Walk up and Get attention… … How?... hmmm. TALK MAYBE…No not about MySpace!
6. Ok didn’t work try again? This time don’t pick you nose and try to stop talking to their tits.
7. Find another pretty girl. Ask an open ended question.
8. Feed off of the response.
9. Remark that you are putting your plans on hold to hear more.
10. Carry the convo and show excitement.
11. Mirror her actions, energy level, and position yourself in the set.
12. Don’t let anybody change the frame.
13. Flirt physically and mentally.
14. Change the subject to something personal.
15. When she says something good or something that makes her happy touch her. NOT LIKE THAT…
16. Tell her you have to see if your friends are here yet, and ask her to come with you.
17. Move to a place to sit down.
18. Continue Convo and Kino.
19. Change subject to something that will stimulate her towards excitement and possibly sexual.
20. Escalate Kino.
21. State your Interest in her
22. Express your desire to kiss her.
23. Kiss her
24. Take her to another location
25. Repeat steps 1-21
26. Change steps 22 & 23 to further relationship (Sex, Date, LTR) Repeat in order.
27. Change step 24 to different location and repeat in order.
28. Next her and move on to next girl… Just Kidding!

Ok I may have simplified it too much and mixed in too much sarcasm, but if you really can’t understand MM than not much anybody else can really do for you.

 

[strong like bull]

heres how i see the issue of scripts/lines, bogus attraction weapons, etc:

a girl is sitting at the bar, having a drink with her friends. a good looking man comes up to her, gains her attention, sits down and begins conversing with her.

she finds herself excited by the man, who is now telling her a fantastic story about this time he was camping by himself in the middle of a forest, and how he came across a bear and all kinds of wild, crazy things happened...

the thought of the flannel shirt, scruffy 5oclock shadow, choppin' up firewood and fishing and everything really excites the girl. really turns her on... they both keep up with the stories, have a few drinks, over time touch eachother more and more as they talk until theyre holding hands, dancing... kissing...


now, imagine that everything else being equal, two "different" types of that guy swooned that girl at the bar that night.

a) the guy who really did go on those camping trips in the woods and years later he can always look back, with a genuine feeling of satisfaction for some of the things hes done in life. his life hasnt always been by the book, but hes had some wild adventurous times and loves to trade stories.

b) the guy who DIDNT go on any camping trips. but went to a bar, approached a girl, and told her a bogus story which she thought was real... from the girls perspective, hes good looking, seems interested in her, tells all kinds of wild stories. but the guy doesnt have stories of his own.. theyre from a website, of 'how to bed women.' none of his exciting stories are legit. he actually spends 90% of his free time on the net.

at the end of the night, both types of guy in this scenario bed the girl that night.

alright, now ask yourself... at the end of the day, or the next morning... which guy is the better man? who is living a happier, more productive and fulfilling life?

-SLB

 

[Dongfu]

Here is MM for Dummies:

Follow All Steps in ORDER!


28. Next her and move on to next girl… Just Kidding!

28's the best step