The X Factor

[ketostix]

The times in my life where I have sparked spontaneous attraction from women were when I was a "character" the second we first met. Nothing gets the juices flowing like having a gregarious, outgoing, expressive personality.

Yes this exactly what I'm talking about. Nothing changed about you really, not your looks or your method, but you were just on. Some guys are naturally always on and do very well. Some guys are only on very ocassionally and only ocassionally do well. And some guys are never really on and never do well. But what I'm getting at is conveying an expressive persona or personality is built or contigent upon having expressive and congruent nonverbals or facial expressions.

 

[guru1000]

I have to totally disagree. .

Guy's that juice up become agressive and anti-social a lot of times

Where did I mention JUICE UP?

There are so many guy that have high normal level of testosterone. There's nothing remarkable about being a male and having high testosterone levels.

How would you know? Have you ever had LOW to know what HIGH is? Have you observed the behavioral differences between the two?

Totally agree there is a normal range for testorone. As long as you aren't low and are in the normal range your male and you got this aspect covvered. More impoortant is your overall general health, fitness and energy level which has a lot more aspect than one hormonal level. There are several hormones that are important besides just test.

Educate yourself on HYPOGONADISM.


Its quite funny actually. You attach your own FAILURE to the missing X factor.

I have news for you. The guy with the missing ingredient does not know there is a missing ingredient.

 

[ketostix]

Where did I mention JUICE UP?

You said high testosterone is a cure all, it's not

How would you know? Have you ever had LOW to know what HIGH is? Have you observed the behavioral differences between the two?

Who is discussing low testosterone vs. normal or high? This not a low test and the associated problems with it thread.

Educate yourself on HYPOGONADISM.

Why? I don't have that problem and probably a majority of guys here don't either.

Its quite funny actually. You attach your own FAILURE to the missing X factor.




I have news for you. The guy with the missing ingredient does not know there is a missing ingredient.

OK a personal jab. You are wrong again, more likely having an ingredient doesn't mean you can correctly identify the ingredient. People know all the time what they're missing, they may not know how to obtain it. That's the difference. But to settle your dispersion, I've had my testosterone tested and it was very high normal. It's a real simple blood test. So I guess I'm not missing that ingredient.
All guys should have their test. levels checked to predicted how successful they wil be with women and life in general.

I'm just never going to agree with you here so you can get as offended as you want. To be honest I find what you're saying here to be so ridiculous it makes me question everything you say. It's analagous to wutang saying height is everything no matter how many short guys you point out to him that get women.

 

[guru1000]

OK a personal jab. You are wrong again, more likely having an ingredient doesn't mean you can correctly identify the ingredient. People know all the time what they're missing, they may not know how to obtain it. That's the difference. But to settle your dispersion, I've had my testosterone tested and it was very high normal. It's a real simple blood test. So I guess I'm not missing that ingredient.
All guys should have their test. levels checked to predicted how successful they wil be with women and life in general.

I'm just never going to agree with you here so you can get as offended as you want. To be honest I find what you're saying here to be so ridiculous it makes me question everything you say. It's analagous to wutang saying height is everything no matter how many short guys you point out to him that get women.

Hey Studly, I'll tell you what.

Tonight while I am inside this model's a**, I'll say "This one is for the X Factor".

LOL

 

[ketostix]

Hey Studly, I'll tell you what.

Tonight while I am inside this model's a**, I'll say "This one is for the X Factor".

LOL

OK dude whatever, that's right just dodge the issue. I don't even know why you are on here. Your advice isn't practical or useful. You brag about all these models you are sexing but as far as I know you've never written one FR. That would be OK if you didn't brag and make claims so much. As far as I can tell, you're not much different than potato, but at least she goes to the trouble of writing FR even if they are make-believe.

 

[guru1000]

OK dude whatever, that's right just dodge the issue. I don't even know why you are on here. Your advice isn't practical or useful. You brag about all these models you are sexing but as far as I know you've never written one FR. That would be OK if you didn't brag and make claims so much. As far as I can tell, you're not much different than potato, but at least she goes to the trouble of writing FR even if they are make-believe.

Hey Keto, we are not much different other than the fact that I get women.

The real difference between us is while you study this PUA nonsense, the secret is there is no secret.

The PUA is a matrix within itself.

The key is to be YOU. And if YOU does not work, build yourself up to be the best YOU.

Your mission is circular. Your finish line will eventually be your start point.

 

[ketostix]

The key is to be YOU. And if YOU does not work, build yourself up to be the best YOU.

You are not really saying anything here. What I'm saying in this thread is independent of looks, a person expressiveness and smoothness is what fundamentally causes attraction. Women are subjective and emotional, but their attraction is not totally random. And this x factor that I explained is what I believe is what they screen for and emotionally respond too. You have to first have a solid foundation before you can build anything else on top of it. You can claim (without any proof) you get all kinds of girls and insinuate I don't. But this thread isn't about me or you. It's about getting to the real reason and what might help any guy to gain more success with attracting women.

 

[Martin Shabazz Jr.]

Hey Keto, we are not much different other than the fact that I get women.

The real difference between us is while you study this PUA nonsense, the secret is there is no secret.

The PUA is a matrix within itself.

The key is to be YOU. And if YOU does not work, build yourself up to be the best YOU.

Your mission is circular. Your finish line will eventually be your start point.

Somebody gets it.

 

[ketostix]

Somebody gets it.

Gets what? Be the best you through testosterone when you are probably at normal levels anyway? It's just a bunch of sound good, feel good stuff that isn't actionable. Anyone can say they get women and offer no evidence and no actionable advice.

I appreciate replies but is it too much to ask that they be at least remotely on topic and of substance? Otherwise it's just thread wrecking.

 

[swifTy]

hey keto man,
its alot of technical talk.

how about breakin it down this way;

the X factor is your sex appeal. full stop. kaput. bada bing bada bong. honestly thats all it is, your appeal to sex. and if you ask me what is MOST important in sex appeal i would agree with you and say its your face, then its your body, and a good PERFORMANCE and you've sealed the deal.

and if you think about it in terms of sex appeal, you can see how there are lots of combinations of guys who can turn girls on.

going back to the potato thread. i think what potato does differently is his PERFORMANCE part. he's probably got sex appeal and bottom line if you have that sex appeal you can do whateva the fuk you like. even be girly.

to guru; its not just T man. which guys do women have up on their wall and drool about? its the leo's of the world, the johnny depps, the justin timberlakes. they're sexy dudes thats why. they dont have arnie up on their wall.

 

[ketostix]

hey keto man,
its alot of technical talk.

how about breakin it down this way;

the X factor is your sex appeal. full stop. kaput. bada bing bada bong. honestly thats all it is, your appeal to sex. and if you ask me what is MOST important in sex appeal i would agree with you and say its your face, then its your body, and a good PERFORMANCE and you've sealed the deal.

and if you think about it in terms of sex appeal, you can see how there are lots of combinations of guys who can turn girls on.

going back to the potato thread. i think what potato does differently is his PERFORMANCE part. he's probably got sex appeal and bottom line if you have that sex appeal you can do whateva the fuk you like. even be girly.

to guru; its not just T man. which guys do women have up on their wall and drool about? its the leo's of the world, the johnny depps, the justin timberlakes. they're sexy dudes thats why. they dont have arnie up on their wall.

Well you can say sex appeal in place of sexual attraction. What I was trying to do is get at the specific fundamental thing that I believed women were screening men for on sex appeal, and it was her getting visual cues of your smoothness and expressiveness predominately from your facial expression and gestures.

So when you amplify that it has the same meaning as what you're saying, basically women biologically screen for sex appeal based on your mood/persona/ nueral wiring that gets displayed through the way I've just explained. So my point was any guy trying to get a real improvement in their sex appeal, if they could, and they actually need to, somehow improve this area then they would get a lot more success and could reap the benefits from other improvements to game, finances, etc. The problem is improving this area is probably not something you can just think you way to or something that is easy to do by mental manipulation of thoughts alone.

As far as potato, I made it clear that I believe she is most likely female and a troll either way. Potato's spiel is not applicable to what I'm saying here because he assumes attraction just happens if you thik a certain "nonDJ" way and you just simply follow that up with flowery romantic words and an effiminate attitude. Here, I'm trying to explain what needs to be present for attraction to happen.

 

[Latinoman]

Very interesting comment Thunder. I've heard this from some of my male friends as well. Some of them refuse to invest in a girl unless she is MORE into him than he is in her. I know you are talking about the initial approach... But how much of this thinking carries over into the rest of it?

And ketostix, I think attraction has a lot to do with pheromones and familiarity than symmetry and facial expressions.

If a woman does NOT show any attraction toward me...I don't even bother.
There are WAY too many women out there. And I'm a very busy man. I don't have time for games.

 

[Latinoman]

Having an accent can work wonders though, if you use the accent to your advantage. Keep the accent though! There's nothing hotter than a french gal trying to speak english, IMO...and the same goes for men (depending upon the accent).

I have a VERY strong Latino accent. Very strong. It force people to pay attention (especially if I'm tired or if I spoke in my native language minutes prior to speaking English). But...the way I say some things around women...especially when I am applying emotion (example, when I see something weird in the street or funny in television and I make a remark of surprise or funny), women tend to find it attractive. To the point, that weeks later, I notice them using the same remarks when talking to other people and I notice they immitating my accent (not as making fun of me as sometimes I overheard them when they don't know I am around).

I have problems pronouncing some words or confusing a word for another...and some of them find that "cute" (I don't think the term "cute" and 40-year-old-man should go hand-on-hand).

 

[Latinoman]

ABSOLUTELY. I used to hang with a guy from Florence, Italy, and he had the European Italian accent going, and he used to pull some HOT tail. American women used to eat it up, they would melt. I even seen this dude pull off a bartender once who he ended up nailing.

Any European accent will work, whether it's Italian, Spanish(Spain), Portuguese(Portugal), Greek, English, German, French, Norweigan, etc, etc, etc.

Interestingly enough...when I go to New York City...I have been asked several times if I'm Italian (as from Italy in Europe...NOT the Italian American). I have also being asked if I am Portuguese. I guess, I have a very strong accent...but it is not the typical Spanish accent after all.

I say, LATINO because those European countries are also considered Latin.

 

[Latinoman]

I disagree with PROVEN results.

My results are not important here. The truth is.

Testosterone will give your face an appearance of high cheek bones with a chiseled hard jaw line. It will as well make your chin look stronger. The reasons behind this are both hormonal and muscular enhanced (Your face has muscular development)

One trademark of MODEL good looks is high cheek bones along with a good jaw line. This is what T will ENHANCE.

The boyish feminine face is just as attactive to women as a MASCULINE developed face. Every women has their type of GOOD LOOKS. The consensus opinion is the GQ LOOK which is high cheek bones with a masculine strong jawline.

However, that is not the reason why Testosterone is the MISSING INGREDIENT.

Testosterone is the 104 gasoline in your engine. You snooze, you lose.

ALPHA vs BETA. What is the REAL difference between the two?

I wish I had the time to explain furthur but I have a beautiful model that needs to be picked up and take my HIGH TESTOSTERONE A** to dinner.

Hmmmmm...this is actually very fascinating theory. You might be right.

 

[Latinoman]

Yes and Yes.

To explain furthur, when I address TESTOSTERONE , physical attraction is a very small percentage of it.

If you take two guys that are equal in the looks department and put them both out there in the field; one with low testosterone and the other with high. Which of the two will SUCCEED better?

WHY?

Nothing is more mundane to a woman than a guy with no personality. You will often hear from women , that guys who are better looking are dead beats. Most good looking guys do not feel a need to DEVELOP their personality to a woman. Their looks alone could open the door.

This is the avenue where most average looking men COULD succeed. They come in, SPIN the girl off her feet and show her a great time.

If you are PUMPED up with LIFE, you will not likely get rejected on a date. You are different in this sense:

1) You are fun
2) You are not outcome dependent
3) You are in a great mood
4) Your goal is to have a good time
5) You are not concerned about image
6) You feel CONFIDENT in yourself
7) You take CONTROL

The above is a NATURAL state for a guy with higher testosterone levels. You cannot pretend to be the above. This is who you have to GENUINELY be.

The MISTAKE occurs when a guy who has low T tries to behave this way and it appears PHONY.

If it is not GENUINE, who are you fooling?

The GOAL is TO BE , not pretend to be. If you work on the inner CHEMISTRY of the body , your inner game will likely MANIFEST a heightened result on your CHARISMA.

I have to totally agree with this.

 

[Mr.Positive]

I have a VERY strong Latino accent. Very strong.

Latinoman, I'm shocked, I never would have expected this!

I hear you though, accents are something to be proud of. Not ashamed.

The times I've travelled overseas I've made a few women melt by just trying to speak their language and completely butchering it. Even though I don't have an accent.

Women will say it's "cute", but it's not so cute when you take them home and rock their world.

 

[Latinoman]

OK dude whatever, that's right just dodge the issue. I don't even know why you are on here. Your advice isn't practical or useful. You brag about all these models you are sexing but as far as I know you've never written one FR. That would be OK if you didn't brag and make claims so much. As far as I can tell, you're not much different than potato, but at least she goes to the trouble of writing FR even if they are make-believe.

Actually...I would say he is one of my top 5 favorite posters. Over 90% of his posts, when it comes to attracting women, are very good. I relate to most of them (not all, but most...and the ones I don't relate too, I have seen it work with others).


Putting the bragging aside (assuming he is bragging), he gives some damn good advice.

 

[Jitterbug]

IMO high Testosterone is the foundation of everything. It gives you the energy & the drive to accomplish your goals. However, I thought that the X factor is something that gives you an unique edge over your competitors. The alpha-beta comparison makes sense, but it doesn't explain why pretty boy type (Johnny Depp, Timberlakes etc.) also does very well with women - and in this day & age, they outdo high-T alphas.

This is just a fun analytical discussion anyway. High-T obviously works and that's what I go with. The whole accent / expressiveness etc. are good to have. Stack the cards in your favour.

 

[Latinoman]

Latinoman, I'm shocked, I never would have expected this!

I hear you though, accents are something to be proud of. Not ashamed.

The times I've travelled overseas I've made a few women melt by just trying to speak their language and completely butchering it. Even though I don't have an accent.

Women will say it's "cute", but it's not so cute when you take them home and rock their world.

I have given presentations to groups as little as 1 person and as many as over 500. I have a little problem putting my thoughts together if I don't prepare in advance. But if I do...my accent gets better, but still VERY strong.

Incidentally, as I previously stated, I don't sound like if I was from the Islands (where I was born). I sound more like if I was born in Italy or Portugal. At least, based on what I have heard overseas or even in NY (people telling me).

Most of the women I have been involved (including my ex-wife)...their first (many times only language) have been English. Most of them have been white with either red or blonde hair. Which is incidentally the ones I tend to attract (I also attract African American women too and Latinas).