"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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The worst kind of girls!!!

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Originally posted by Dirtheart
Neobrood: Maybe you need to go with your heart this one time and learn the hard way, though I would advise against it because it will cause you more pain than her friendship is worth.

Most of us here are only telling you what we know from our personal experiences, having been ridiculed or hurt by women doing the same thing. I spent nearly 6months overcoming depression because a woman I was seeing (who I considered my best friend) completely turned her back on me, used me and humiliated me.

I can also tell you that while you're pining for this one girl, trying to capture her interest, you are missing out on many more opportunities. During my infactuation with one of these girls I turned down another 5 very attractive girls who asked me out. Boy do I regret that now!

What's more, the nicer you are to this girl the more wussy and less attractive you will appear to her. As long as you're being this way, you have NO chance.
Thanks for reminding me... I appreciate that. NO WAY IM BECOMING A WUSS!!! NO WAY IM BECOMING AN AFC!!!

But at the same time I still pity her. She needs a father or an older brother and NOT a lover.

It's a pretty messed up society that creates women like this, and there are obviously alot of them out there.
... her parents are overprotective. They wont even let her commute. She dunno shlt about bus routes (even those in her area) and she's 19 for chrissake!!! She never been to parties, bars, never drinked at all, still a virgin, therefore hangs around with the 15 year olds and play pokemon and yugi oh with them.

Her parents shut her off completely from politics. So when the topic being discussed is about politics, she would just shut her mouth.

When we're goin out, they would call every 30 mins. Her parents always pick her up. But at the same time, her parents are always away. Obsessed with work. The only time she sees them is when they pick her up... and they come home at 12:00 am.

... she's the eldest in the family. Her 15 year old brother IS 150% AFC material. He won't listen to her... she can't trust him on her problems. And worst of all, that brother thinks he's some anime character.

- He threatens me to chop off my head with a samurai sword... or "May Darkness Consume you..." Um... why can't he say "I WILL KILL YOU" or "I WILL KICK YOUR ASS!"...

- On MSN, when he's angry, he changes his display picture to the demon form of Naruto. As if I give a f*ck... Hell... my display picture is the smiling SADDAM for cryin out loud. Whether I'm angry or happy or sad or what...

- That guy wouldn't talk to you unless you're gonna play yugi oh with him. The only person who can talk to him when he's playin yugi oh is his elder sister (that girl I had problems with).

Therefore, SHE NEEDS AN OLDER BROTHER. I still feel indebted to her for what she did to me. She triggered my change from being an angsty suicide freak to being more sociable... I'm planning to play out that role as an older brother to her... and that would mean that I WILL NOT PUT UP WITH HER SHlT AND I WILL TEACH HER ABOUT LIFE!!!


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"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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with these kind of girls, there are only three things you can do (yes i've been there like so many of you punkasses) : 1. fuk with her/manipulate her with words..make her think you are an AFC but YOU GET things DONE YOUR WAY. 2. run 3. if you know from others that she has a bf/whatever - make super aggressive moves and attempt to fuk her (not rape) - if she banishes you from her friendship (or *cough cough* user-ship) then it's all good, if not.. all the more better.
 

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Your dark cave analogy was great! THat's one for the bible!

Too bad so many AFCs volunteer to become the next corpse.

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Those flirty girls seem to have HPD.

Those girls are attention vampires, and are usually empty on the inside!

Excessive emotionality and attention seeking characterize histrionic personality disorder (HPD). Individuals with HPD are constantly seeking or demanding reassurance, approval, or praise from others. They actively pursue the attention of others through dramatic, attention-seeking behavior. They are overly concerned with physical attractiveness, often overtly seductive, and most comfortable when they are the center of attention. Their emotionality seems to be inappropriately exaggerated, labile, and shallow.

HPD is characterized by shallow and labile affect, self-dramatization, exaggerated expression of emotions, suggestibility, egocentricity, self-indulgence, and lack of consideration for others. These individuals may engage in inappropriate seductiveness and over-concern with physical attractiveness. They are easily hurt and seek continuous excitement, attention and appreciation. Some researchers describe individuals with HPD as manipulative, vain, and demanding. Selection of marital or sexual partners is often highly inappropriate.

For individuals with HPD, vanity and seductiveness function to bolster and maintain self-esteem; they often become over-invested in how they look and dread aging.

Even though individuals with HPD will attempt to bind others to them, they are often dissatisfied with single attachments. They tend to be lacking in fidelity and loyalty; they are seductive, dramatic, and capricious in personal relationships.
The body, erotically or via illness, is often used by individuals with HPD to attract the attention of others. They will engage in inappropriately exaggerated smiles and continuous elaborate hand gestures.

Individuals with HPD are consumed with attention to superficialities and spend little time or attention on their internal life. Because they know themselves so little, they often have no sense of who they are apart from their identification with others. They are able to change their attitudes and values depending upon the views of significant others in their lives.

Individuals with HPD focus on others to the point that they obtain their own identity from those to whom they are attached. These individuals are unable to tolerate isolation; when alone, they feel desperate and are unable to wait for new relationships to develop gradually. They sometimes come from broken homes.

http://www.pdjamboree.healthyplace2.com/contact.html

Dear Djs, believe it or not the girl that "played" me was exactly like those disscussed in this article!!!

Psychology is really helpful for us sometimes!


Phoenix
 
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Fingers quote

Djs if you read the 5 starts article from Sen Fingers:

http://www.sosuave.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30513&highlight=Fingers

You're gonna see this quote:

...But if you take a close look at these so-called DJs, you will find some of the most miserable, insecure people you have ever met, who only use their sexual prowess to mask their weakness and reinforce their egos because they have nothing else going on in their lives.
In a way or another Sen fingers was talking about those type of DJs girls. Of course they're not devils, everybody has flaws, but those ones sucks!

I think Im gonna write a book just about this issue, lol. :p
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Man...this thread has been a hell of an eye opener - I'm struggling through a similar situation with my ex right now....I might have to print this off.
 

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hehehehehe. I just met a chick like this. We flirted for a bit when I 1st met her. But now I know shes a user chick. Has a ton of guy friends. Very touchy, etc. I was smart though. I didnt get sucked in. She came into my work last night with one of her dudes to show me some pictures she took. Dude just stood there like a trained puppy. So I asked if the pics where anything worth seeing. She said just look. All they were was a bunch of pics of some grad party. I was like ""That was the worst two mins of my life". THen she asked for a job. I said we dont hire hot chicks any more. She asked why, I said bc "I either fvck'em or fire'em".

So she left and called me later to see if I wanted to goto a movie with her and some friends. I said no. I just got out of the gym and I was eating. She calls all the time asking me to go do **** and trying to get me into that circle jerk of lame dudes that follow her. Not this man :D
 

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Originally posted by Dirtheart
Jesus Christ, this post is absolutely right on the mark.

I dated a girl EXACTLY like this, found all these things out about her, got used and manipulated, got pushed into the friend zone (or rather her "someone to hug and flirt with in public" zone) and even when I was dating her, she flaunted me like a trophy and used me to make her female friends jealous (since apparently they all adored me). Also, when we had sex, she made sure everyone heard about it.

Oh and she purposely made a point of flirting with all her guy friends right in front of me, which I found totally undermining. She also tried to make out that she was educating me about sex, women and relationships, making me feel totally naive.

Then when she finished with me, she tried turning the situation round, started speaking down to me and tried to make out that she hurt me and basically made herself look good at my expense!

When I tried calling her on all her bullsh*t, she pulled the old guilt trip, "you mean the world to me", crying routine and I fell for it!

Maybe I just got very unlucky finding this girl, but she was exactly as you describe and did me more harm than anyone else I've met.

But you live and learn!



You seriously got PLAYED.
This is embarrasing how much she chumped you.

What to do in the future with this type of girl?
Realistically,
Just bang her, spend no money are emotional time with her.

If she decides NOT to use you, she will drop her boy friends on her own. So you really need to do nothing but bang her and that is it.

If she does not want to bang, find somebody else.
Its that easy in this situation.
 

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WAY TO DEAL WITH THESE WOMEN:

One way i've found to deal with these women effectively is to;


1) act very masculine in their presence (C+F to extreme/take no **** etc.)

2) act like you don't want them, act like you only want them for sex (this has a surprisingly opposite effect - they want you to like them for them as a PERSON)
 

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First and foremost, having other women, and more importantly, letting her see you with other women will go father than any "game" you can run on this type of girl.

What I don't understand is why do most guys get fustrated when the girls do exactly what DJ's are being trained to do.

We are supposed to always be on guard, and flirt with every girl we see, as to treat each opprotunity as a potentional date, or at least friend who can introduce you to friends that youc an lay, but we get mad when girls are over flirtatious.

First of all, every woman has flaws. Remind yourself of hers.


what it really all boils down to is how confident are you in yourself. If you are really confident in yourself, yeah it matters that the girl is a prick, but it's not the end of the world, and it's her loss for being the way she is, not yours.

It's like some of you just went out and bought a magizine with codes in it, and you are getting fuatrated when the code doesn't work exactly like you typed it in.

****y/Funny + Distant - AFC behavior= Sex

It's just not that simple. At least with some women.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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I had a relationship of more than 2 years with that kinda woman.
The first year was great, didn't notice anything.. then suddenly i got the feeling she was bored with me.
This is one nasty type of woman!
She played with my feelings, ****ed 2 other guys and still keep on saying she wants to grow old with me!
So i said "BYE" i can't accept this!

No comes the turn: she was, or pretending she was all happy about me leaving her, she dated more guys and got new friends using manupilative tricks and how i know? because we share a lot of friends. and not all friends fool for her tricks or looks > because let me warn you! she's a beauty!! men! don't look her in the eyes > she like the evil medusa!

Anyway, things took a sudden move when a new girl arrived in the scene.
Even more beautiful and we connected !

Now my ex girlfiend suddenly comes back at me! hahaha!! she can't stand she's more beautiful than her! And eventually my ex called me and said: (not kidding you) " do you want to **** with me?" Ofcourse i said no.
A small hour later she called again and asked me to go on a holiday with her to mexico because she knew me well. Again i said no, that i'm not the right person.
Then later again in the night she called me again and said if i wanted to come over to her place to smoke a joint.. again i said NO.

although i love her, i still have my honor and i feel sorry for her.
I felt like a ultimate Don Juan at that moment of saying no 3 times to her.
she kept on trying.
 

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You should try to gauge every woman you meet, whether she is an attention wh0re or not.

The best advice is to just stay away totally from every attention wh0re whether you are interested in her or not. No friends things, no social proof, no acqaintance, no nothing: or,

You can occasionally try to pull her for a one-nighter using Senior Fingers' excellent post "How to seduce the party girl" in the tips forum and then leave her alone again until you can one-night her again.

But NEVER, EVER, EVER get in a relationship with an attention wh0re. Like a vampire, they just suck your personal energy until you a broken man.
 

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I am interested in hearing how guys that have been with these types of girls have been manipulated. I recently broke it off with a girl like this. She was extremely gorgous and had afc friends that all seemed to be infatuated with her.

She told me she was pregnant and would use this to cause drama when things would go good between us or to keep me when I she knew I wasn't about to put up with her s***t. She would go back and forth saying she was going to have it one minute then she wasn't going to have it the next.

I knew I was being manipulated but I just didn't know how bad. Turns out she lied about being pregnant and she had stopped taking her birth control pills.

When I found out I blew her off &she would call me nonstop. A couple of times I answered and she would would cry to me about how much she loved me and how much she needed me and for me not to do this to her. I ended up having to change my number.

Please let me know how others have been manipulated by these types of girls.
 

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This is much more common than I thought

Framed! You had the right attitude towards this girl. The one I was "involved" did the same crying routine and I fell for that!
I dumped her, but after I saw her crying, all harmless... I was mercifull. But guess what happened, she threw me to the friends zone! Darn player!

I decided to call the attention W*ore, the worst kind of girls because they`re EXTREMELY SEDUCTIVE, not always they`re HOT, BUT they always use any part of her body like: breasts or "butt" or her face combined with a touch-felly, sweet way of looking/behaving able to attach ANY man`s heart.

ANd worst. The one that did this game to me, seems to be helping me in my study sometimes. I really dont know if shes doing this to actually help me or to keep me "connected" to her somehow. But Im wondering... If she were really concerned about me, she wouldnt have done what she did to me and my friend as well! Other day, she was offering a ride to me, and this kind of stuff.

MAN, I think this is a " playing with fire" game!

But NEVER, EVER, EVER get in a relationship with an attention wh0re. Like a vampire, they just suck your personal energy until you a broken man.
Yeah JustDoItAlways. It impressive how many girls are like that! I think that its due to some reasons:

a. Most of guys are AFC's and dont have the faintest idea that they're being used.
b. Those girls dont have integrity
c. Beginners DJ can fall for her game.

Its impressive that I had some evidences concerning her behavior, but somehow she managed to play me. ITs easy to read about *****s, etc. BUT when we`re on the battlefield its much more complex...

Ive learnt a lot, but I was getting crazy! It was a head/heart smashing...

If The next girl that is like her even thinks of messing with me, shes gonna see what is a real man!

Phoenix
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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You b@stards are still on this thread keeping it alive - all women who seek sexual attention are hors!!! "News flash" - look at how these hors dress - why do they dress like this?? Do I have to tell you? Little 12 year olds dress like lhors nowadays because their horish mothers taught them such!! Guess what? Girls 12 years old and up arelooking for and/or having sex in America!!

Our society has become 'sexified'!! Girls/hors want men's attention because they want their penis - no mystery here fellas!!! Every hor is an "attention hor" - no matter what age!

Women who dress and act/flirt sexually want your "attention" for a reason. Only hors love "attention" and dress accordingly to get it!!!
 
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MY GOSH!!!

San:

because let me warn you! she's a beauty!! men! don't look her in the eyes > she like the EVIL MEDUSA!
That`s the KEY. You`re right! I was always trying to avoid looking at this girl, but whenever I looked BANG!

That`s where her power comes from:

EYES - First mesmerizing weapon
LAUGHTER - Second mesmerizing weapon
PART OF THE BODY - Third mesmerizing weapon

About the Puerto Rican`s comment.

You said:

Girls/hors want men's attention because they want their penis
REALLY?

So why don`t they have sex with all guys they try to seduce?

Second. I think it`s normal to dress sexy sometimes BUT another thing completely different is to charm guys just to boost their egos WITH NO INTENTION at all, no sex, no kissing, nothing.
Just a (sexual) power game!

And you`re not supposed to post a reply if you dont like it, just ignore it man!
 
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The girl who got me had all the traits as the one you talked about except the college thing. this girl did not go to school.

She would always keep these afc guys around even though it was obvouis that they didn't have a chance. She would play games with them and it was actually pretty cruel to see how she treated them. She admitted to me that her friends were all guys that she wouldn't normally give the time of day to. She would also say that these afcs only wanted to be her friend and they did not want a relationship or sex with her. Yea Right! Like a fool I thought she cared about me because she treated me alot different than these other guys. But she only cared about herself.

She would never call these guys but they would always call her. She would always make plans with these guys but she would never go through with them. She would just ignore their calls when the time came and these afcs would just call later on in the week just to go through the same routine. She never cancelled any plans with me. She was the one always chasing me wanting to do stuff.
This kind of behavior made me think that my dj skills were working since this girl was totaly hot but in reality they weren't. This was the wrong type of girl for me to be messing with.

I never caught her cheating on me or anything but this girl just didnt act right sometimes. When I would try to get rid of her she would always trick me into staying around her. She would give me a bunch bs that she needed and loved me so much that the least I could do was be her friend. I would try to resist and I would end up falling for it and we wouldnt act as friends we would be having sex still and acting like we were together.

The last trick she try to play on me about being pregnant was the last one she'll ever play on me. What she did showed thaT she cared nothing about me.

This type of girl will never change her ways, and they will not lose those afc friends. they might go away for awhile but they will always be back.
 
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Come on Phoenix, rise up above the ashes! Hors like attention but just because a 90 year old man approaches her doesn't mean she'll accept! They'll take the first guy that meets their personal 'minimum' standard! You should know this.
 

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STFU with the h0rcalling, it's LAME AS I'VE TOLD YOU 1000023502 TIMES.

It's not our fault you got scorned and you're angry.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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