The Truth About All This Shyt About Women

[DonJuanForever]

If you guys haven't heard of a site called, www.seducingwomen101.com, or now it's referred to as, "www.destini9.com," Destini 9 disspells the truths of what women really want, etc. If you guys check it out, read the "dumbass'es" Guide to scoring. In the guide, she talks about being a don juan, being an alpha male, is all bullshyt and you should just be the genuine person you are.

Well, I emailed her a question, I am waiting for her response. I have copied and pasted it. Guys, I get laid, but honestly, I feel empty as fvck. Empty. I am pissed at women because honestly, I am a genuine fvckin nice guy, and every girl that I "loved" cheated, manuiplated, all that bullshyt. I can't live life like this anymore, I'm fvckin sorry. My soul is nice and I geniunely care for people, I refuse to continue fvckin playing this game with women, act this way, shyt, and shyt and so on. Sick of it. WHY IN THE FVCK CAN'T I JUST BE MYSELF? Huh? Why not?

Here's the copy and paste, enjoy:

Hey Destini 9, I found your site, read the “DumbAss Guide,” lol, and overall, what I have innerly felt for a while you nailed. I am an active member of sosuave, DONJUANFOREVER, on there, but I still feel this inner vagueness, inner emptiness. I’ve been “working on myself” to appear more dominant, masculine, alpha, only to learn from you that it was all bullshyt, lol. Lately, when I see a girl that I honestly like, I would always act as “if” I didn’t like her, even though I am totally attracted to her.

Destini, I believe on the inside, I am a genuine nice person, a genuine nice guy. A guy, that really cares for people, I am in sales too, so I guess that confirms it, lol. If I had my wish Destini, I would love the world and lead the world into a great better place, making sure everybody is already, everybody is happy, everybody “makes” it. If I had my wish Destini, I would take a girl, especially a black girl (I’m black, still like other girls too, though, lol, but you know what I mean) I would take her, wrap her in my arms, and give her the world. Everything.

But…and this is hard. I don’t feel Destini that I can do that. Not that I am in capable, not that I don't have "confidence," wtf is that anyway but being comfortable? It’s that I feel that I would easily be used, discarded, laughed at, cheated on, etc. I’ve seen women use their boyfriends, manuiplate, cheat on them…and you know who they cheat on their boyfriends with Destini, those alpha males and don juans, the guys that you say, “Don’t have real confidence.” I have real confidence, but I feel like I am headed into a bad stock. I have all this investment I want to put in, (time, energy, attention, etc) but I feel like the stock will offer a low return, more importantly, I feel like I would lose my investment, be mocked, laughed at, humiliated. Every girl that I tried to be myself around, and love, they did exactly what I just described.

So YOU TELL ME D9, tell me…..what the fvck is a guy to do? All he wants to do is be himself and love you guys, but every single fvckin time, you do the same fvckin thing? I’m not worried about rejection, I am in sales, I know after 5 rejections a sale comes anyway, lol. I could go in the field, I could “make some sales,” but to be honest, it’s not the “sale” that I want, it’s the relationship after it. The friendship, the trust, the love, the affection, the care.

What is a guy to do, (because honestly, I believe 90% of guys are like this) wtf is a guy to do, when he wants to BE HIMSELF, and love, but he knows that when it happens, he’ll lose all his investment. Why knowing that a stock is bad, why put my investment in? And unfortunately, I don’t see a particular stock as being bad, if you know what I mean, I see every last of them being bad. This makes me sad, because as you said in the guide, I CAN'T BE MYSELF NOW, NOOOWWW, I have to use tricks, but is it my fault?

In conclusion, most guys, 90% of those on so suave, and fast seduction and in the world, they learn tips and tactics to get her to “love him,” NOW, because she’s loves him, NOW, he can love her. Some other guys just avoid women period, living bitterly, as they sit and watch the smiles on other people’s faces in their relationships…and go to sleep at night, asking the God above, why couldn’t I’ve been apart of that?

- DonJuanForever

 

[hi2u]

Find a good girl that's "far below" your social/sexual status, treat her "right," and she will probably stick with you. That's how AFCs get and keep girls. It's a simple equation.

 

[Wee]

It is hard for me to get what you are saying, and you jump around a bit, but let me get this straight. You want to be yourself, and stop putting on an act with women. At the same time, you also want to keep a girl and have some sort of LTR with her, but still don't wanna have to do ****.

Being alpha, using c&f, all of that sh*t, besides being natural and already in your instincts - is only techniques. You don't need them. You can get a girl without it, probably just a lucky one here and there, but it isn't needed. On top of that being c&f and alpha is only to make a girl receptive to you. Or else she will never give you a chance. My current girlfriend loves who I am, I show her the real me and don't put up an act. When I first met her though, I was c&f and all of that good stuff, but not even as an act because it had actually become a part of me (and it is in your instincts, you are SUPPOSED to do it, social conditioning just teaches you different). After she became receptive I was able to show the real me, which is what she loves so much.

Correct me if I misinterpreted what you were upset about.

 

[Bvbidd]

I'm with hi2u as well.

I don't care if they are ugly. This sh!t is getting retarded. A normal guy should not have to worry that being himself will turn women off. Especially if he wants sex every minute.

 

[JonJack]

DJForever, let me put the issue you're facing into a little equation.

You want to be yourself but it leads to disappointment with the girls you get with. Thus, either who you are just generally leads you to disappointment or so far you've only been with girls that aren't suited for you. If the latter is what you believe, then it's just a matter of finding a girl that'll respond positively to who you are. If the former is true, then you will have to apply whatever it is into your character so that girls don't disappoint you.

Now, it is clear that you are not particularly satisfied with who you are. If you were, you wouldn't have a problem with these girls that disappoint you. Cause it'll just boil down to them not being compatible with you. You will accept this as you understand that all girls will not like you the way you would like them to.

So, either you become comfortable with who you are, or you get comfortable with becoming someone else to keep girls. The question really becomes one of compromise. Will you compromise yourself just to keep girls? Will you compromise your immediate desire to love and care for one girl and let yourself be alone until someone worthy of you comes along? Whenever you invest your emotions in a person, there is always a chance of losing that investment. The question now is whether you are willing to avoid losing by avoiding investing? Then, are you able to avoid investing and be content with your life? If you can't, then continue investing but be aware of the risks that are involved and accept them. Don't invest, lose and then tell people you couldn't handle losing. It just tells people that you were ill prepared. Your fault, not anyone elses.

 

[DonJuanForever]

Hey guys, DJF. You guys are in the right parking lot, but in the wrong spot.

****y and funny, being a challenge, mystery, I noticed I do all those things naturally. I am very sexual around women and really in everything, so I am always charming, flirty, I do make fun of women, they know I am just playing, etc. I believe I get lead because I generally always feel very good about myself, I am very sexual, and I meet women.

Period. But, that's not my problem.

You see, there's a part in me that wants to progress with a girl pass just the fvcking part, pass just the sexual shyt....I can't even have a conversation with a girl without it being about sex, anything else bores em.

Geniunely, I am a nice person, I care for people. Even when I am in my little sexual shyt, which is all natural, I am not a jerk, I am more of a cool, charming guy. It's just that, I want to also LIKE a girl, I mean, make an investment in her that she's mine. Be with her, hold her, all that stuff.

It's everytime I begin to "like" a girl, shes turns away. Now, rejection is rejection, if I am rejected for being unattractive, that is fine. But you're not telling me, just five minutes ago I was the sexiest, coolest person you've ever known, now that I "like" you, I'm not anymore?

Problem with this is I AM NOT COMFORTABLE. I refuse to live my life just playing games, just fvckin, just phone sexin, just going out and ONS all the fvckin time, without putting a serious investment, I'm fvckin tired of it. I just turned 23 years old, I refuse to live the rest of my life just putting my dyck in shyt.

They are going to fvckin change, period. You're not telling me its an attraction problem, because I act and behave the same fvckin way, before I "like" her, then I do after I "like" her. I NEED to like women, I NEED to be in love with women, if I'm just fvckin the whole circus I feel like a god damn clown, and I'm tired of feeling that way.

 

[typical]

Calm down bro, from what I've read nothing is wrong with you, you even said that yourself, what your really angry at is the fact you cant say you like a girl without her going weird on you.

Been there a billion times I think LOL, you tell a girl you care for her and suddenly you go from class A stud to pathetic loser, I dunno bro but for some reason chicks like not knowing that you like them, they sorta get a kick out of it .......... yea chicks are fvcked up I know but its the way it is.

I asked my old man when he told my mum he loved her he told me he never told her he loved her apart from when he married her, when she was giving birth to me and my bros and when she had a heart attack and was in hospital, the rest of the time he never said "I love you" to my mum. I went and asked my mum the same question got the same answer but she added that she liked just having to guess at the fact that did he love her for real or not. Something about her not knowing he loves her meant that she has stayed with her first real b/f for life.

I sat down and thought about it and all I can come up with is that as men we need to know things cause thats how we fix out problems and crap, for chicks they don't need to know they just need to feel it, hence the whole men are logical and woman are emotional beings.

For some reason girls like not knowing whether you like them or not, they want you not to tell her you like her but to show her you like her, until you understand this your gonna feel crap about yourself forever.

And really think about it really think about it, when you like someone do you really need to tell them you like them or vice versa ?? just simple actions should be able to communicate you thoughts.

 

[DonJuanForever]

Hey it's Shezz! Sheez, I don't think it's b.s., I think it's all about the maleness and how to bring it out of you.

typical, buddy. Again, I don't want you guys to get me wrong here, let me clarify.

For example, I meet a girl, we hit it off, phone sex, then go and do the real thing. We continue doing this for a while, we become friends, we become close, she says, "I love you," I don't say it for a while, lol, then I say it.

Thing is, eventually I get to the point where I begin to like the girl. It's almost as if, once I begin to like her, she loses her attraction, now.....I don't run around saying, " I love you baby," " I love you baby," I am still the same person I was before. Still funny, charming, sexual, nothing has changed. It's almost as if she can feel that I "like" her now, that now, she doesn't want that.

Now I understand that's the rules, the rules are you are not supposed to "like them," but ummm, lol, for 23 years I've never followed the status quo and I'm not about to do it now.

I feel uncomfortable, not liking a girl I've been fvckin for months. I feel uncomfortable, not liking a girl that's totally fvckin likable. And I refuse to be uncomfortable. Refuse.

I don't understand, I exlude maleness, you fvck me, you fvck the shyt outta me, no maleness has left me at all, I begin to "like" you, then you leave? Still attracted to me, still wanting to fvck me, you leave? Get the fvck outta here, I'm not about to keep doing that shyt. I'm gonna like your azz and you will sit down and enjoy it. I am really to the point of pissed off and about to really do something about it.

 

[skip2mylou781]

Find a good girl that's "far below" your social/sexual status, treat her "right," and she will probably stick with you. That's how AFCs get and keep girls. It's a simple equation.

absolutely IDIOTIC advice....thats called "settling" and ull never live happy that way!

 

[skip2mylou781]

donjuanforever - welcome to the USA of the 21st century - u gotta keep playin the games to keep the girl, and i agree, it IS annoying.......hell, donjuanbynature even told me that gf's ive had who claimed to love me but then broke up with me, he said i didnt play enough games with them aka MENTAL ABUSE, and if i did, they woulda stuck around.........so yea wtf, i WAS myself in relationships, i was loving, i ****ed them good, when i was mad at her, i yelled at her, when iw as jealous, i acted jealous, when i was happy, i acted happy, ect ect ect.......dumped by ALL of them!

the way i see it, the only solution to ur problem, and this is very logical - find a nice religious girl who's saving it till marriage, they ARE kind and much more realer than all the sluts u been ****ing the last few years

or, find a virgin who ISNT religious who is simply saving herself for marriage, cuz these kinds of girls r seriously more appreciative of the nice guy who loves them and acts like himself - girls with HIGH VALUES

another thing to try - go to another country, but im sure u wouldnt wanna move just to find a chick, so i suggest u do the above.

 

[wayword]

For example, I meet a girl, we hit it off, phone sex, then go and do the real thing. We continue doing this for a while, we become friends, we become close, she says, "I love you," I don't say it for a while, lol, then I say it.

Thing is, eventually I get to the point where I begin to like the girl. It's almost as if, once I begin to like her, she loses her attraction, now.....I don't run around saying, " I love you baby," " I love you baby," I am still the same person I was before. Still funny, charming, sexual, nothing has changed. It's almost as if she can feel that I "like" her now, that now, she doesn't want that.

Yes, the question then is how to MAINTAIN ATTRACTION with the same quality girl over the long haul? And this may actually be harder than laying a bunch of GGW ho's.

If you give her stuff (attention, afffection, commitment, etc) too soon - then she loses attraction. But if you withhold too long, she also loses patience and attraction. Another Catch-22. Well, there must be an optimal compromise in there.

Anyhow, I think another factor is pacing. The PUA approach is a sprint to the "money shot" finish...which backfires in the long run. I'm starting to see the logic now in taking things slow the old-fashioned way - for serious relationships. Basically, quick & ez in, quick & ez out. Slow and hard in, slow and hard out.

Also, in an LTR, she'll eventually see past any bluffing. You can't hide your TRUE value forever behind clever smoke and mirrors, so you have to have the real deal.

And as has been said before - most American girls will NOT be tamed into a monogamous relationship until their mid/late 20s or first kid...whichever comes first...no matter WHO you are. So, if you're dating a 21-yo and wondering why she loses interest after a while...well, it only goes with the territory with that age group.

But, I think this is the "sticking point" a lot of older PUAs are reaching - how to KEEP a girl, as opposed to just lay one. And it's still a huge blind spot in the Game right now!

 

[skip2mylou781]

shezz - the point of this thread isnt to discuss other site - read everything else he wrote, THAT is the true point of the thread and it deff makse for good discussion so SHUT UP with ur "close this thread" outcries

 

[DanelMadr]

I think I got it.

Look. You have to find decent girl which is also GIVER like you and doesnt think of you as wussy every time you start showing some REAL heart deep affection. Most of people (girls) are selfish bratty cruel beings and have no understanding for people-loving man. They hate knights you know, because there is a chance you will go to some foreign land saving christians meanwhile they will have to struggle home alone. Look at divorce rate in police or army.
Good, caring people have weak points ya know from their perspective.

How many guys would punch some ******* beating a girl? Not so many I think. And you know what....how many people will tell you, you done a good thing? VERY fvcking FEW. Even your mother wont approve it. Why? Because you put yourself in danger, because of some stranger, you silly kid.

They are like terrorist.....they think generosity is weakness.

Find THE girl....no other options, sorry.

 

[pooparu]

DJF, here's your problem:

You say the techniques etc all come naturally, that's great, but if you have to think about these things, then they aren't natural. Any part of seduction you think about before doing it, is not natural. That's kind of the bad part about learning all this ****, is that you start to over analyze ****.

You say its against "the rules" and you don't want to follow them. What RULES? There are no RULES. Do you think guys that are naturally successful all know about Tyler durden, Destini9, etc? No, they don't. They get out there and they let htemselves be appreciated by everyone. Right now you are too focused on landing the girl, trying to force yourself to like her.

If you don't like her from the beginning, then move on. You don't need to be getting laid to be a man bro, don't feel that validates you. There are millions of great women out there.

What your problem seems to be is almost like you have built up walls that you want to NOW start to let down after learning all this DJ ****, and its hard for you to find that medium between letting down your guard, and letting your emotions come out TOO much.

The second part seems like you want to meet really high quality women, who are interesting and fun to be around, as well as intelligent AND attractive. You have to search for these mn, but they are out there. I had one girl that I knew that I wanted to be actual friends with because she was that cool, but I ended up like blwoing it because she was attracted to me and me, joking around thinking we were friends, got her pissed somehow or jealous or something. She was actually one of the girls you might be talking about fun, attractive, smart, etc, but there are still more out there man. All you need to do is search man.

Finally, stop thinking about telling or showing her you like her, stop thinking about seduction techniques, stop thinking about all of this and be all natural, I know its almost hard, but at the least try to minimize the logical part of your brain from analyzing everything, because what ends up happening is a cycle like this:

You start ****ing girl.
Girl likes you.
You "think" that you want to like her.
You subconsciously start trying to find ways to show her or tell her you like her.
She starts to notice a subtle change and eases up a little.
You try harder without even realizing it.
Pushes her away.
You get confused.
She leaves.

I may not have my analysis right, but I think I might man, lemme know.

 

[DanelMadr]

It is the main problem of "nice" guys....they want to be free and equal so they dont have to have control all the time. They want to be a child from time to time.

Who would you respect more? Some guy showing you he likes you? Or Mr. Gladiator? Being THE Man 24/7 is not so simple...actually its very hard. Cope with it or find some stronger(doesnt need too dominant man) or woman from lower league than you.

And the saddest thing....YOU HAVE TO BE CHALLENGE ALL YOUR LIFE....keep your distance....be cool/cold....because When she feels she "broke" you...you loose her respect. Simple as that.

Thats why people have children....you can love them with all your heart and they love you back....till puberty...then they hate you lol

 

[DonJuanForever]

Well it's nice to see skip on this thread, lol, why are you and shezz going back and forth, hey guys, we supposed to be on the same team here, lol.

You know, ummmmm. I don't know what it is really.

Everything that is considered AFC, is by far, what makes me even LIKE women to begin with. I made a post not too long ago, about after I nut, I don't even want to even be around them anymore, and I wasn't lying either. What makes me even LIKE a woman, is the AFC within me. What makes me even see value in a woman, is the AFC within me. What makes me even fvckin APPROACH a woman, is the AFC within me. Other times, I am just having fun, slapping their azz, callin them names, and fvckin them. It's in these other times, that they only want to be around me. But the problem is, it's during these other times, that I really, honestly, don't want to be around them.

I only like a girl when I am an AFC, but I only get girls when I am not AFC. So seeing that I want to live life for me, what makes me happier to be around a girl is when I am an AFC, but they aren't happy with that. So who's happiness should I live for...mines or theres?

 

[DonJuanForever]

It's kind of like, and it's been said here too. They said, girls like guys, who don't like them. Hmmmmmm?

Now, if I am living for ME, why would I want to be with a girl I don't even like? In an instance, by doing so, wouldn't I STILL be supplicating? Still be an AFC? I don't fvckin like her!

But the problem is, I CAN LIKE WOMEN. There's a place in me that see women as being very valuable, beautiful people. That's the only time I actually enjoy women.

But....if a girl won't like a guy because he likes her, then why be miserable in a relationship with people that YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO LIKE?

Does anybody see where the hell I am getting at?

Girl: "DJF, you are supposed to be masculine and sexual around us. This makes us horny for you and makes us want you. But DJF, don't actually like us though, no, no, no. I want you to just like and love life, not us. So that we can like you."

The problem is, SHE IS THE ONLY ONE getting something out of this, what the fvck am I getting if I can't fvckin ENJOY HER?

 

[Bvbidd]

lol

Ever thought they think the same thing about you?

They want you to want them too that's what keeps them there. When you actually want them they start to have less of a reason to be with you because they have stopped thinking about you.

All women are pure evil did you not know that?

And Shezz I read what she wrote on PUA and it really does make sense. If you PUAs NEVER got rejected then it would make sense to be on your side but that is so not the case.

Seriously Shezz what she wrote on you guys was actually intellegent and actually used real Psychology. If Tyler Durden NEVER got rejected then I'd take advice from him. Otherwise you guys really are just fooling yourselves.

 

[pooparu]

It's kind of like, and it's been said here too. They said, girls like guys, who don't like them. Hmmmmmm?

Now, if I am living for ME, why would I want to be with a girl I don't even like? In an instance, by doing so, wouldn't I STILL be supplicating? Still be an AFC? I don't fvckin like her!

But the problem is, I CAN LIKE WOMEN. There's a place in me that see women as being very valuable, beautiful people. That's the only time I actually enjoy women.

But....if a girl won't like a guy because he likes her, then why be miserable in a relationship with people that YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO LIKE?

Does anybody see where the hell I am getting at?

Girl: "DJF, you are supposed to be masculine and sexual around us. This makes us horny for you and makes us want you. But DJF, don't actually like us though, no, no, no. I want you to just like and love life, not us. So that we can like you."

The problem is, SHE IS THE ONLY ONE getting something out of this, what the fvck am I getting if I can't fvckin ENJOY HER?

Nah bro, the part of the DJ bible or the advice where you can't like women or have one itis is geared to get AFcs out of the mindset of that. After you have left that mindset (which you have), whether you have never been laid, or are getting laid 10 times a day, as long as you are out of that mindset, then you can loosen up. You are ALLOWED to like a girl bro, women are valuable and beautiful, whoever denies that is a misogynist, gay, or some WBAFC who thinks he's being "alpha male". Trust me man, women love to be adored by men, but in the RIGHt way. That is to say, small romantic gestures sprinled from time to time, as well as still being masculine and a male. You can pull both off man, its a hard balance to do, it just takes some calibrating.

 

[DanelMadr]

The problem is, SHE IS THE ONLY ONE getting something out of this, what the fvck am I getting if I can't fvckin ENJOY HER?

Yeah. Welcome to Men's World, chuck.

Enjoy? What do you mean? That you spill your affection over her....I love you mummy....like you did when you was a kid?

Truth is...you dont have to tell a girl you love her(etc.) all your life...its even better that way. You get weak and you are out. True love like 100/100 from both is very rare. When you love her more....you are out. Just find some with 90(your love)/100(her love).

Hey.....dont think...live.....I hear depression coming.