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The problem I have with self improvement (rant)

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You manage the mother hen with cold approach in a club.

In a social circle you have to become friends with the mother hen and the beta orbiters and go to dinners with them.
Or just shoot your shot with the target in the circle with tact and charm. No dinners required just be social and let your game come out. They eyes are a window to the soul.
OR just be a douche and send out dik pics.
Choose wisely
 

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You manage the mother hen with cold approach in a club.

In a social circle you have to become friends with the mother hen and the beta orbiters and go to dinners with them.
Yes. The mother hens are always a royal pain. They must be managed.

In my observations and experience, the opposite is true.

Most "beta" males I know who are in LTR's these days met online. They spammed a lot of profiles and wifed up the first girl who would go on a 4th date with them.

Most "alpha" males I know have large social networks or work in night venue industries, from which meeting a lot of women is a natural byproduct.
80% of men are either beta/omega and 20% are either alpha/sigma.

Most men are betas.

I've seen beta males get into LTRs because they had a social circle from childhood and stayed in the same area as adults. These betas can thank their parents for not relocating them as children and they can credit themselves for not moving as adults and having good continuity with a social sphere. This usually happens in smaller to mid-sized metro areas, though it can happen in a bigger metro area.

The betas that have no social circle due to relocations or other factors swipe and text like maniacs and settle for whatever will go out on a 4th date with them. They might have a college degree and a good paying job, which will attract some mediocre woman in her 30s.

Alphas can achieve from either social networks, cold approaching, or swipe apps. Sigmas as lone wolves tend to not have social networks, so they are confined to cold approach and swipe apps.
 
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Or just shoot your shot with the target in the circle with tact and charm. No dinners required just be social and let your game come out. They eyes are a window to the soul.
OR just be a douche and send out dik pics.
Choose wisely
Dude. I'm not taking anyone to dinners :lol:

Read what I wrote before you sperg out again.

I am saying that social circle game is bad because there's a requirement to "make friends" with all of her sh1tty friends, including the mother hen alpha of the group.

If you're shooting your shot then that's not Social Circle Game. Social Circle Game is about orbiting for months and years, getting vetted by the group, and eventually gaining access to poonani with the group's approval. The Group knows all your business and if you want to beat and rape your girlfriend then she's immediately going to dob on you to the group.

It's always better to isolate a woman from outside influences if you want to control the relationship.


Also, as another member mentioned, you're currently married. So I'm not even sure how current your information is. How long has it actually been since you've approached or dated anyone? Years? Decades?
 

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80% of men are either beta/omega and 20% are either alpha/sigma.
That's very generous. Maybe 50 years ago?

I'd say the beta/omegas would be high 90%'s nowadays from what I've seen. They are rare as hell, and many true alphas are currently in prison. Masculinity is illegal in Clown World.
 

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It's lonely at the top. Most men are soyed simps (even many jacked guys who look like they have their sh1t together). Genuine, mutually supporting male friendships are rare. What usually happens is other men notice you're doing better than them and they try to sabotage you.
You said it. I never really understand just how pathetic a lot of men are until you start achieving good things. They absolutely despise you for being better than them (even if you don't care or view things that way) and will do anything to tear you down -- even to the point of ruining your reputation by spreading lies and turning people against you. It's quite an eye opener. Contrary to what I initially thought, they are not happy for you at all. Even people you once thought were your friends. They'll use your weaknesses against you and the whole nine.

In a lot of instances, they enjoy the superiority they have over you when you aren't achieving great things, or may even be struggling in certain ways. They aren't interested in "helping" you at all, and it shows when you actually succeed, which they likely tried to sabotage from the beginning. The crabs in a bucket mentality is very real out there.
 

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You said it. I never really understand just how pathetic a lot of men are until you start achieving good things. They absolutely despise you for being better than them (even if you don't care or view things that way) and will do anything to tear you down -- even to the point of ruining your reputation by spreading lies and turning people against you. It's quite an eye opener. Contrary to what I initially thought, they are not happy for you at all. Even people you once thought were your friends. They'll use your weaknesses against you and the whole nine.

In a lot of instances, they enjoy the superiority they have over you when you aren't achieving great things, or may even be struggling in certain ways. They aren't interested in "helping" you at all, and it shows when you actually succeed, which they likely tried to sabotage from the beginning. The crabs in a bucket mentality is very real out there.
Here's a hypothetical solution for you: If I had the power and the means....I think the only solution is a giant war where all the Betas are sent off to fight and die. A giant beta cull. The betas who didn't die would come back seriously manned-up.

It's really the only solution at this late stage in the Simp Apocalypse.

You'll notice that the Betas, even on this forum, blame the Chads for the destroyed sexual market place. They whine "because of chads banging and ghosting all these women, there's nothing left for meeeee"

What the Betas don't realise is this:

The only reason that women are happy to get banged and ghosted by Chads is because there's always a Beta waiting for her, ready to clean up the mess, when she finally gets tired of the c0ck carousal when she turns 90 years old and she's ready to settle down and have some Downs Syndrome IV kids.
 

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right string.. but how to tell how to do it. step by step.. I know what you mean, but how to tell someone else that does not so that they can do it. its like, man up, but how....
Beware of taking advice from the wrong people mate.

This guy is a larrping gamma who's sending men astray, and gets severely butthurt when I call him out. I like his energy, but his advice is so terrible that it makes me feel bad for any dude who actually wants to improve, reads Puller's advice, and takes it onboard.

This forum needs quality control. At the very least call out the terrible advice if this forum is actually serious about Male Improvement.

Stringpuller is pulling you off.
 

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You'll notice that the Betas, even on this forum, blame the Chads for the destroyed sexual market place. They whine "because of chads banging and ghosting all these women, there's nothing left for meeeee"
No doubt about that. They used to do that even before forums existed. Any time a guy was very successful with women (usually because of his looks & status, which he did put effort into), other men hated and blamed them for their lack of success. When these other men never even had a chance to begin with! They weren't viewed as sexual prospects to most women regardless of if "Chad" was there or not. I think it just made them to feel better, to be able to point the finger and blame their lack of success on an external source. It was also protection against their own ego and feelings of inferiority. And like all toxic people, it gave them someone to dump their insecurities onto.

It's the same as people hating on those who are successful, without doing a single thing to achieve success themselves. It's a lot easier to just criticize and devalue everyone else... you see it pretty much everywhere.
 

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If you're shooting your shot then that's not Social Circle Game. Social Circle Game is about orbiting for months and years,
Baloney.
If it takes that long you are socially inept. Seriously not only socially but business wise.
Betas wait for months. Thats how socially akward they are.
Better yet...dont have anything good to say let alone what they have going on in their lives.
No value in themselves. Give me a break man lol
 

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Baloney.
If it takes that long you are socially inept. Seriously not only socially but business wise.
Betas wait for months. Thats how socially akward they are.
Better yet...dont have anything good to say let alone what they have going on in their lives.
No value in themselves. Give me a break man lol
Why do social circle game then, Rambo?

What you are referring to is cold approaching a group of girls (something I doubt you've ever done). But for argument's sake, what you are talking about is cold approaching groups. That's not social circle game. Social circle game is well-understood to mean making friends with a social group and slowly gaining their approval to date someone in the social group over time. It's a long game Beta strategy.

If you're going to come on this forum, as a married guy who pretends to know what he's doing, and provide advice to guys who genuinely want to improve.....then at least get it right.
 

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No one ever met anyone through anyone lol.
Pans ultimate game bible lol
You're married, my friend. You are a Beta by the very definition of what it means to be Beta.

That's not even my opinion. It's objective fact. Married = Beta. You got married because you were in scarcity mindset, she probably demanded it from you, you freaked out and got married to her to keep your big scary Boss Girl happy.

To answer your point - if you're relying on other people to get you women, which appears to be what you are advocating, then that's Beta too.
 

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Beware of taking advice from the wrong people mate.

This guy is a larrping gamma who's sending men astray, and gets severely butthurt when I call him out. I like his energy, but his advice is so terrible that it makes me feel bad for any dude who actually wants to improve, reads Puller's advice, and takes it onboard.

This forum needs quality control. At the very least call out the terrible advice if this forum is actually serious about Male Improvement.

Stringpuller is pulling you off.
Most all of the things are stuff I/we all know but don't synch with. Truth rings loud when it aligns with gut feelings.

We have a few different types that we must deal with, the more we know about how this one or that one ticks it's quicker to triage. I haven't ever seen much in this forum that was completely useless.
 

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Most all of the things are stuff I/we all know but don't synch with. Truth rings loud when it aligns with gut feelings.

We have a few different types that we must deal with, the more we know about how this one or that one ticks it's quicker to triage. I haven't ever seen much in this forum that was completely useless.
The useless advice on this forum is useful only for me to point out how useless and weird it is. To serve as an example of what not to do.

So you are right. It's all useful, even the useless advice.
 

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The useless advice on this forum is useful only for me to point out how useless and weird it is. To serve as an example of what not to do.

So you are right. It's all useful, even the useless advice.
exactly.
 

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For me personally, I have an issue with dating because I may be seen as socially stunted but due to me having a lot going for me I don't see why I should date down. Men that are successful, in shape, motivated and all around solid should be getting much better results on paper but because of the lack of social skills with women it creates this dynamic. Very few men are in a situation like this, which I feel is the reason why this is such an unhealthy trap to just say "go work on improving yourself".
There's no question that if you are trying to maximize your earnings and your gym gains, or just being successful in general, that is a time suck. And an energy suck. But if you really feel that you are socially stunted, you may have to reorganize your priorities to some extent. You may need to set aside certain times to build your social skills, increase your social circle, and the like. Tackle the social problem like you've tackled your other areas of improvement.

You have to decide just how important this is to you, because you may have to sacrifice some time and energy elsewhere if you're going to do it. Whatever you do, I would keep on earning that money, because that is for YOU, and it gives you options. You are right to be worried about a woman getting her hooks into you and taking your money - she wouldn't even have to be a gold digger or have bad intentions, this sort of thing just happens organically. You could be in a perfectly good relationship, but if things go south you could end up screwed. Just as you have moved beyond some of your friends, couples can grow apart as well. The solution is just don't get married.
 

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80% of men are either beta/omega and 20% are either alpha/sigma.

Most men are betas.
That's very generous. Maybe 50 years ago?

I'd say the beta/omegas would be high 90%'s nowadays from what I've seen. They are rare as hell, and many true alphas are currently in prison. Masculinity is illegal in Clown World.

80-20 was my estimate, but your estimate could be more accurate. Either way, there are a lot of beta males out there.

It's lonely at the top. Most men are soyed simps (even many jacked guys who look like they have their sh1t together). Genuine, mutually supporting male friendships are rare. What usually happens is other men notice you're doing better than them and they try to sabotage you.
I have noticed this as well.
 

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There's no question that if you are trying to maximize your earnings and your gym gains, or just being successful in general, that is a time suck. And an energy suck. But if you really feel that you are socially stunted, you may have to reorganize your priorities to some extent. You may need to set aside certain times to build your social skills, increase your social circle, and the like. Tackle the social problem like you've tackled your other areas of improvement.

You have to decide just how important this is to you, because you may have to sacrifice some time and energy elsewhere if you're going to do it. Whatever you do, I would keep on earning that money, because that is for YOU, and it gives you options. You are right to be worried about a woman getting her hooks into you and taking your money - she wouldn't even have to be a gold digger or have bad intentions, this sort of thing just happens organically. You could be in a perfectly good relationship, but if things go south you could end up screwed. Just as you have moved beyond some of your friends, couples can grow apart as well. The solution is just don't get married.
One of the points I mentioned on this thread was that as I'm continuing to grow and improve I'm having an increasingly difficult time finding people on my level. Something that I picked up on with people I used to hang out with was that as I improved I noticed that I'd get a lot of these passive aggressive put downs, stemming from insecurity on their end. This is one of the reasons why I started becoming distant from people I used to have around me and the next thing you know they have faded out entirely. I've found that with these people I outgrew I can now saw that looking back I'm much better off without them.

As for the comments about wealth and women. I honestly am not really materialistic and if I don't disclose any of this information people would assume I'm comfortable but average if that makes sense. I drive a Toyota, I live in a nice house in a good area but not one that immediately says wealthy. I don't wear expensive clothes, jewelry, etc. I can cite a handful of men in my area that post all of this crap on instagram, showcasing a life of status, wealth and success. However, none of these men are actually wealthy and instead they created this artificial image through social media. I'm not entirely sure what the goal of that is but it is not a behavior that I partake in for the reasons I've discussed on this thread.
 

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I can cite a handful of men in my area that post all of this crap on instagram, showcasing a life of status, wealth and success. However, none of these men are actually wealthy and instead they created this artificial image through social media. I'm not entirely sure what the goal of that is but it is not a behavior that I partake in for the reasons I've discussed on this thread.
Many women will fall for that tricks. It is called peacocking and it can work. Some women might know the diff, but often the young ones don't.

the leased BMW is more attractive than the paid-off one ton dually that cost the same or more to certain women that those guys would like to have over.
 

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Many women will fall for that tricks. It is called peacocking and it can work. Some women might know the diff, but often the young ones don't.

the leased BMW is more attractive than the paid-off one ton dually that cost the same or more to certain women that those guys would like to have over.
That's honestly what I suspected, that it was just a means to showcasing status, albeit false status, in order to land a bunch of dumb bimbos. The women that go for these particular men are literally the female equivalent of them so it all makes sense. It also could just be the social scene/social circle that these particular men fall under and naturally they just emulate all of this behavior to fit in. There are so many fake people in my particular metro, both men and women, and I'm not really sure if it is a unique case or if what I'm seeing is a trend of the times with the current generation. This has been one of the reasons why I've considered relocating but I'm not fully convinced it would necessarily be any different someplace else.
 
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