"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

Read more...

The Power of Generosity

bigneil

Banned
Joined
Oct 20, 2006
Messages
8,265
Reaction score
2,644
Location
Texas
There is a fine line between buying a girl at the bar a drink and buying the bartender a drink.

1) On one extreme we have Supplication (bad):

" Think about the stereotypical nice guy at the bar who buys women drinks seconds after meeting them. Is he a value giver or a value taker? In his mind, he's a value giver because he is giving them free drinks, right?

WRONG. He is trying to suck as much value out of that interaction as possible. He's "giving" a drink with the expectation of something in return. Women absolutely hate that. It sucks the life right out of the interaction. He's a value taker!"


2) On the other extreme we have Generosity (good):

"True value giving is a trait of abundance. Your life is full of abundance, so keeping an abundance mentality becomes trivial. Why wouldn't you give value to others? You've got an infinite amount! Not sharing is just cruel!

This abundance mindset is what allows you to give without presumption, without expectation of getting something in return. You enrich the lives of those around you and the world repays you for it.

Value giving is the most powerful and dominant trait of attractive men. More so than dominance, more so than assertiveness, more so than looks. People are drawn to value givers. Be a value giver."

Don't underestimate the power of being generous. Ultimately, as men, it is our job to extract as many resources from the world as possible, and to enrich the lives of as many other people as possible. Seek to be a tree that bears fruit for many years.

Source:

http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/1gkth6/above_the_game_part_9_giving_back_be_a_value_giver/
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

Read more...

TheException

Master Don Juan
Joined
Apr 17, 2013
Messages
1,109
Reaction score
111
bigneil said:
1) On one extreme we have Supplication (bad):

" Think about the stereotypical nice guy at the bar who buys women drinks seconds after meeting them. Is he a value giver or a value taker? In his mind, he's a value giver because he is giving them free drinks, right?

WRONG. He is trying to suck as much value out of that interaction as possible. He's "giving" a drink with the expectation of something in return. Women absolutely hate that. It sucks the life right out of the interaction.
This is one of the greatest lessons a man can learn. Learning what supplication is and why to not do it. Its transcends women too......supplication is bad in all aspects of life.
 

VladPatton

Master Don Juan
Joined
Aug 26, 2012
Messages
3,246
Reaction score
232
Location
NYC
I will have to agree. The strong take care of the weak.
 

Turuwal

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Dec 17, 2012
Messages
240
Reaction score
18
Massive props for this post bigneil, agree completely!

On a more scientific note, I think what we're trying to approximate here is the cooperation and sharing (of food and sex) that were found in the nomadic people of 10,000 years ago.
 

Bokanovsky

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jul 7, 2012
Messages
5,512
Reaction score
5,692
What exactly is the point of buying the bartender a drink? Would you buy a hamburger for the person working the register at McDonald's? A pair of jeans for a Walmart sales associate? It seems to me that the only reason you would buy a drink for the bartender is get on their good side...so that you'd get faster service, stronger drinks, etc. And that is not real "generosity", as you are still expecting something in return.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

Read more...

PlayHer Man

Banned
Joined
Dec 22, 2012
Messages
1,695
Reaction score
190
Location
East Coast USA
The real power of generosity comes from its ability to keep others dependent on you. By being a resource to others that they can't easily replace.. they become dependent on you and as a result.. they become your slave to a degree.

This is the type of "generosity" men historically used to keep women under control. Since women are highly independent today and can rely on the law and society to support them.. they need individual men a lot less.

The mistake most modern beta fags make is being generous in situations where they don't create a need. Buying sh!t for a woman she can easily buy for herself doesn't make her need you.. thus you are just wasting your money.

In 2014.. you have to ask yourself what you can "give" a woman that she can't easily get from someone else. In most cases (unless you're a top 10% man) the answer is nothing.

So what do you do? Well.. NOTHING. You simply spin plates and make women give as much of themselves TO YOU as possible. This will actually make them more bonded to you because they will want something in return for what they give and they will chase after you to get it. Whatever it is. But that's not your problem. :up:

The best "gift" a man can give a woman today is making her feel useful and important.
 

Bokanovsky

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jul 7, 2012
Messages
5,512
Reaction score
5,692
PlayHer Man said:
The real power of generosity comes from its ability to keep others dependent on you. By being a resource to others that they can't easily replace.. they become dependent on you and as a result.. they become your slave to a degree.

This is the type of "generosity" men historically used to keep women under control. Since women are highly independent today and can rely on the law and society to support them.. they need individual men a lot less.

The mistake most modern beta fags make is being generous in situations where they don't create a need. Buying sh!t for a woman she can easily buy for herself doesn't make her need you.. thus you are just wasting your money.

In 2014.. you have to ask yourself what you can "give" a woman that she can't easily get from someone else. In most cases (unless you're a top 10% man) the answer is nothing.

So what do you do? Well.. NOTHING. You simply spin plates and make women give as much of themselves TO YOU as possible. This will actually make them more bonded to you because they will want something in return for what they give and they will chase after you to get it. Whatever it is. But that's not your problem. :up:

The best "gift" a man can give a woman today is making her feel useful and important.
Agree 100% with PHM. If you want to find a girl who values your "generosity", go to some dirt poor third world country where women gladly spread their legs for a pair of designer jeans. If you are dealing with a modern western woman who has a decent job and/or parents who support her, your generosity means very little, unless you are extremely wealthy (we are talking multimillionaire with private jets and yachts here).
 

VikingKing

Banned
Joined
May 17, 2013
Messages
2,148
Reaction score
89
Location
America is best
PlayHer Man said:
The real power of generosity comes from its ability to keep others dependent on you. By being a resource to others that they can't easily replace.. they become dependent on you and as a result.. they become your slave to a degree.

This is the type of "generosity" men historically used to keep women under control. Since women are highly independent today and can rely on the law and society to support them.. they need individual men a lot less.

The mistake most modern beta fags make is being generous in situations where they don't create a need. Buying sh!t for a woman she can easily buy for herself doesn't make her need you.. thus you are just wasting your money.

In 2014.. you have to ask yourself what you can "give" a woman that she can't easily get from someone else. In most cases (unless you're a top 10% man) the answer is nothing.

So what do you do? Well.. NOTHING. You simply spin plates and make women give as much of themselves TO YOU as possible. This will actually make them more bonded to you because they will want something in return for what they give and they will chase after you to get it. Whatever it is. But that's not your problem. :up:

The best "gift" a man can give a woman today is making her feel useful and important.

The more a woman invests in you (emotionally, financially, or any other form) , the harder it will be for her to walk away. Its like a gambler, the more coins they put in the machine, or the more chips down on the black jack table the harder it will be for them to walk away, unless they only gamble once in a great while.
 

VladPatton

Master Don Juan
Joined
Aug 26, 2012
Messages
3,246
Reaction score
232
Location
NYC
noobolgy said:
The more a woman invests in you (emotionally, financially, or any other form) , the harder it will be for her to walk away. Its like a gambler, the more coins they put in the machine, or the more chips down on the black jack table the harder it will be for them to walk away, unless they only gamble once in a great while.
As soon as her taco tingles hard enough for another dude, she'll walk away without a hitch.
 

VikingKing

Banned
Joined
May 17, 2013
Messages
2,148
Reaction score
89
Location
America is best
VladPatton said:
As soon as her taco tingles hard enough for another dude, she'll walk away without a hitch.
I suppose most would. But you wouldn't believe some of the bull**** I got away with in the past.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

Read more...

mikey2012

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jul 2, 2012
Messages
1,130
Reaction score
276
That's so true. If you can provide them what they can't usually get they be eating out of your hand. This is female hypergamy.
 

LiveFreeX

Banned
Joined
Mar 10, 2010
Messages
2,536
Reaction score
508
Location
The Wacky Races
And nowhere does this apply better than in Health Care. God bless Canada. :D

I hope one day you guys have better access to cheap health care in the states.
 

bigneil

Banned
Joined
Oct 20, 2006
Messages
8,265
Reaction score
2,644
Location
Texas
Bokanovsky said:
What exactly is the point of buying the bartender a drink?
Yes, this deserved clarification.

1) Mainly I just meant you should favor tipping the person working versus spoiling the person lounging.

2) If you learn to pick up hot bartenders you will find that one of the first things they do (after asking your name and extending their hand across the bar to shake yours) is ask you if you want to do a shot together. While I do expect something in return, what I expect is a date, so it's a good deal. I usually just give them a $20 to cover both plus tip. They will make it up to you. Why wouldn't they? Nobody really wants a free pass. They want to do a good job and earn a living. That is why you should spoil anyone you do business with.

3) Also, remember the rule of Valet's - if you ask for change they usually give the you bills they peed on. Just round up. Another good trick is to just budget. Skip the burger, spoil her, and spend the same you would have. You'll be thinner and have one more phone number.
 

bigneil

Banned
Joined
Oct 20, 2006
Messages
8,265
Reaction score
2,644
Location
Texas
VladPatton said:
As soon as her taco tingles hard enough for another dude, she'll walk away without a hitch.
Let's translate this to the tree analogy.

"As soon as the bird smells berries from another tree, it will abandon her nest and eggs and fly over to the other tree instead".

The tree doesn't care. It supports many birds. That's why they made harems illegal!

Meanwhile, the bird lost and her offspring will suffer and die as a result. That's why women need welfare/alimony/child support/half your stuff/custody. That is what is really happening with feminism and socialism. It is anti-family.
 

mikey2012

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jul 2, 2012
Messages
1,130
Reaction score
276
Women only want one thing. A rich man. The rest is conversation.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

Read more...

Top