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the old 'I need space, I am not sure what I want' line

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A friend of mine has been with her boyfriend for 9 months and it all moved very quickly from the off.

She has 2 young kids (under 5) and he has no kids

He was going to move in with her and has bought her a big expensive fridge and sofa for her place BUT he told her last week that he thinks things are moving too fast and he needs to think about things. He has asked her for space to think and she is in pieces. This all came out of the blue for her

He lives with his mum and she has her own place

He told her he wants to collect a chair he bought for the place!

He has told her they are not together as he feels it is not fair dangling her on a string as he does not know what he wants! That is the biggest load of BS i have heard.



I know what I think but I thought I would ask you guys what your take is!
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

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Don't forget...sometimes it is exactly what they say it is. When I was younger I had a girl I was in love with and wanted to marry, but she wanted to have baby at that moment. I was 23 and not prepared. I told her I needed some space and time to think. Which is exactly what I wanted. (I'm a man, I mean what I say). How did she take it? She took it like a crazy woman and started sleeping with a friend of mine and telling everyone we broke up. Just remember...its always 2sides to a story and sometimes people actually do say what they mean.
 

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Of course we all know that there are exceptions to every rule which you certainly are Warrior74.

Congrats on dodging this bullet btw.

Even if you did love this chick and would've made this sacrifice looking back now in hindsight can you say that having a kid would of been something that you could of convinced yourself that you wanted over time simply to be able to move forward in a relationship with the woman that you loved who should of loved you regardless of your decision surrounding children?
 

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Looking back on it...my gut was right. She would have made a horrible wife. but I was in love and blind. I would have done almost anything for her..but no...I could have never convinced myself that having a child at that point would have been worth it.
 
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Sounds like this guy is having second thoughts of moving away from mum and spending his money on a woman plus kids that aren't his.

How old is this dude?...
 

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EricInTheHouse said:
Sounds like this guy is having second thoughts of moving away from mum and spending his money on a woman plus kids that aren't his.
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Seriously..what dood wouldn't have second thoughts. Big step, big commitment. He's not even taking care of himself and he's gonna jump to taking care of a family? You're friend is just mad that her provider afc is waking up and thinking. LOL.
 
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Warrior74 said:
EricInTheHouse said:
Sounds like this guy is having second thoughts of moving away from mum and spending his money on a woman plus kids that aren't his.
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Seriously..what dood wouldn't have second thoughts. Big step, big commitment. He's not even taking care of himself and he's gonna jump to taking care of a family? You're friend is just mad that her provider afc is waking up and thinking. LOL.
Should of thought about this long and hard before leading the girl on...
The guy sounds like a major pVssy...

Nah, I don't think she is mad because he is thinking or "smarting up" or whatever.. She is unhappy because all of a sudden a man she thought was a good guy is thinking about dumping her ass.

It doesn't sound like she thought of him as a "provider" rather a guy that wanted to be with her and try and create something...
So stupid to think woman only want a guy so they can chew his money.
I know that happens, but you can't assume that in every situation.
 

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Maybe he smarten up.

He is having what alcoholics often refer to as a "moment of clarity". Going from living with his mother to living with a woman with kids is like transffering from one institution to another.

If a man has not experience some sort of freedom and taste of life then he will not be happy. Consider it a good thing because the way I see it, if they get married then you just add another kid to the mix while a future divorce is right around the corner.
 

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EricInTheHouse said:
Warrior74 said:
Should of thought about this long and hard before leading the girl on...
The guy sounds like a major pVssy...

Nah, I don't think she is mad because he is thinking or "smarting up" or whatever.. She is unhappy because all of a sudden a man she thought was a good guy is thinking about dumping her ass.

It doesn't sound like she thought of him as a "provider" rather a guy that wanted to be with her and try and create something...
So stupid to think woman only want a guy so they can chew his money.
I know that happens, but you can't assume that in every situation.
um a man provides more than money...unless thats how YOU think (assumptions, they are the awsome!). emotion, time, sex, spiritual needs. there is more to give in a relationship then money.

The guy sounds like a straight up guy to me. If you are having second thoughts you should tell the person. Should he just go into it and not be 100 percent? Maybe he rushed too soon. The OP said the whole relationship was rushed. I don't see a problem. your just a female sympathizer. Or as we say...symp.
 

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Lishy said:
A friend of mine has been with her boyfriend for 9 months and it all moved very quickly from the off.

She has 2 young kids (under 5) and he has no kids

He was going to move in with her and has bought her a big expensive fridge and sofa for her place BUT he told her last week that he thinks things are moving too fast and he needs to think about things. He has asked her for space to think and she is in pieces. This all came out of the blue for her

He lives with his mum and she has her own place

He told her he wants to collect a chair he bought for the place!

He has told her they are not together as he feels it is not fair dangling her on a string as he does not know what he wants! That is the biggest load of BS i have heard.



I know what I think but I thought I would ask you guys what your take is!

I think it is important to always consider the other person's feelings , beliefs, and limitations as valid to a degree.
Many people have not had the same experiences and opportunities as others.
This doesn't make them any lesser than you.

Some people have had a lot of expereice with true romantic love, marriage, and children...others have not.
Is the one who has not any worse than the other?
Are you going to 'blame' someone for not feeling ready or prepared and being honest about it?

Not every one has a clear goal or has spent years making plans for when they get into a relationship or kids.

I think it's unfair to the man to call his feelings 'BS' if they are authentic.
It is inconsiderate.

If he wants his chair back, give it to him.Big deal.
How petty is it to fight over a chair?
If it is a gift, but he wants it back, then you see a glimpse of his character.
Which is probably not very high

If you give a gift genuinely, but you break up with the person. I dont think its good form to ask for the gift back normally.
There may be exceptions, but I dont think so.
If he wants to break up, let him.
If he does it this way, then it's ok.
If he truly does not want a break or more time, he just wants to get the hell out of there, let him.
And dont be judgemental about it.
You will live through it.
Especially if you realize the guy did NOT actually want a break, he just wanted to break up.
Same goes for women.
Let her go.

This is why both sexes do not appreciate the "I need more time" excuse as an excuse to BREAK UP. Because it is NOT REAL.

THAT is a misapplication of a priviledge. THAT is why people get mad.

It is not our RIGHT to expect our potential partner to have to put up with our issue.

So when someone uses that excuse falsely, then that is what can hurt us.

Try to remember that example.
And not use the 'I need more time or a break" or whatever, just to break up.
No one wants to hear that.
As much as it hurts, I believe honesty is the best policy.
It is better IMO to hurt as an honest person, than be caught in a lie as a liar and be untrustworthy.


Sometimes people get too close to a situation, and cannot be objective enough.
Sometimes they do need to step back and re evaluate the situation.
Somtimes love is not about being so impulsive, sometimes you do need to be more logical and practical.
It is extremely important to truly look at relationships in a realistic manner.
Far too many people get seriously involved with each other, when they are not in fact as compatible as they want to believe.

If a person wants a break, it can mean many things.

In any case, it is not anyone's right to judge or condemn or ridicule another's feelings, especially for their self doubt.

It is extremely easy to place BLAME on another for not following through.
When this happens, as this scenario, in which some people place BLAME on the other for 'taking some time' this means that the other partner is not getting their Ego/Narcissism Validated.
That's right.
When you get angry at a person for doing something for themselves which is really not within your control, you are tapping into the immature ego based part of you.

If a person needs more time, let them have all the time they need.



We are NO ONE to 'decide' or 'judge' them for it.
Much less call their actions BS.
This goes for everyone, men and women.

Everyone has to realize that much of what they see around them as relationships are only ego stroking and validation, not true love. Be careful, and dont be fooled.

Love is loving someone even if theyre not with you.
Love is admiring them and respecting them and their decisions, and recognzing them for their character.
And being ok with that.
And being ok with their decisions even when it doesnt involve you.
Realizing that what they have in their Personal Boundary does not belong to you, will make you realize the world much clearer. And be less dependent on another's validation of you.

For many people, they arent happy alone. Im not saying to be happy in loneliness. Im saying to be living a life that fulfills you , so that a partner truly enhances and compliments your lifestyle, rather than them becoming the sole source of gratification.
I know it is easy to become attached to anotherm believe me I know. But it is imprtant to act rationally, not out of fear.
This means that if you are not living a live that you feel good about, you will place too much burden on another to fulfill you.
Relationships dont work that way.
The world does not work that way.



In addition , when it does involve you, if you cant be strong enough to deal with it, you need to check yourself, not them.

If a woman needs more space, give it to her.
With kindness and compassion.
You dont know what she went through, or her issues, or complications.
The same goes for a man.
If a person wants to take a break or go slow, honor it and respect it.
Because that is true human compassion and love.

In the early stages of a relationship, it is a little difficult to already expect certain obligations from another. Be careful of assuming. And perhaps it is better to let the other slowly assume those obligations and responsibilities on their own time, than try to hurry them up, when they may not be ready.

Love can wax and wane.
However, there are ways to do the best you can to keep love strong, and one of them is perhaps not to judge or condemn the other so quickly.



If you are lacking compassion and understanding for another because your ego is not being validated, I suggest you take a serious look at your motivations for having a relationship.

Not everyone is perfectly ready to handle a mature , loving relationship right off the bat. Not everyone has had the same opportuities and experiences as you.

This does not make them lesser human beings, or liars.

We have no idea what is going on through their mind, or what goes on in their heart.

I know that many many people have serious abandonemnt issues.

This is what often fuels the shaming tactics and emasculation, and the insults and whatnot. From both men and women.

But this is not the right course to take
Ever.

You are no one to judge or condemn them.

They are trying to make sense in the only way they may know how of what is happening. And it may not be what YOU do, or how YOU look at situations. But the problems arise when you do not want to accept them as they are.
Tell me.
Is that love?

I didnt think so.

But you will always be miserable if you look at others as failures and beneath you because they dont look at the world in the same exact way as you, or dont process emotions and events in the identical manner.

Remember this, you have had your experiences and opportunities.
This has helped shape your perceptions about the world.
So have other people.
They have had their experiences,and sometimes not the same opportunities you have had.
This doesnt mean we are any worse than each other.
Just different.



When we realize that no one on this planet is living here to live up to our expectations...
...and more often than not, very very few people are really trying to hurt you intentionally...
...then you can be a little more compassionate and a little less quick to snap judgements.



Can people be out of sync?
Yes, of course.
Does this mean they will be out of sync forever?
No.

Can a person be not right for you now?
But perhaps perfect for you later?

Yes.

You dont have to live your life in a hurry.
No one is hurrying you up.



Perhaps what we all need to be aware of is to begin to demonstrate a little more compassion and love,than finger pointing,and shaming.
I know it is a little out of place here in the forum where people mostly come and whine and moan and complain about their situation and the opposite sex.

But we must strive for clarity and true maturity, and true perspective.
 

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Lishy said:
A friend of mine has been with her boyfriend for 9 months and it all moved very quickly from the off.

She has 2 young kids (under 5) and he has no kids

He was going to move in with her and has bought her a big expensive fridge and sofa for her place BUT he told her last week that he thinks things are moving too fast and he needs to think about things. He has asked her for space to think and she is in pieces. This all came out of the blue for her

He lives with his mum and she has her own place

He told her he wants to collect a chair he bought for the place!

He has told her they are not together as he feels it is not fair dangling her on a string as he does not know what he wants! That is the biggest load of BS i have heard.



I know what I think but I thought I would ask you guys what your take is!
Lishy,

It is hard to trust these words - "I need space, I need time".

Haven't we all heard them before?

Once the shock wears off and the words sink in, and she finds her bearings - which assure her - she will, she has to come back to the place of love and release him.

So often our lesson in loving is to release the people we want give our love to in other ways.

Remind her that when it is the right man for her, loving will mean staying and actively loving eachother - but it is not possible, not with this man of hers in this situation - not now.

We as women are wired to love by keeping close - to hold them close to us. But it is not always the action of loving required of us.

She will have to dig very deep, most likely not the first time if she has had children with a man - and is most likely weary of that too worn path where the strength to let someone she loves go, is found. But remind her she does have that strength within - she can let him go.

But just because she is being called to honor and love him in a way that is not natural to us women - to let him go - does not mean this is not huge red flag. It is.

She needs to believe him when he says he has found he cannot deliver afterall.


And yes, she can fall apart. She is allowed her anger. She is allowed her extreme disappointment when discovering he is not who she thought he was. But she doesn't have to fall apart - it isn't a requirement. Her level of devastation is NOT an indicator of her depth of love for him.

The real indicator is how she deals with it - with the initial letting him go, (she must do this with as much grace and gentleness as she is able to find while not trying to manipulate him to stay - such a fine line there) and what always follows. Which leads me to the advice:

"Beware the Porch"

You know, the moment the guy panics because he realizes he may actually lose her! - and shows up banging on her front door saying he realizes he actually does want her afterall.

She needs to postpone that conversation and keep them both safe from going through the same pattern over again and ending up in the same awful, painful place.

It will be hard for her because she of course will want to believe his words, but those of us who have had "fought these wars" and renewed our journeys with these men at that particular "porch" moment all know the wisdom of the mantra "Beware the Porch".

If he truly wants her at that "porch moment" of his, truly, he will still want her later too. The porch is just a normal, emotional reaction men have to fight a battle and not give up a perceived "cause" they were up to a certain point willing to engage in.

But she needs to be mindful - he has already announced his need to leave the battlefield and has left her there alone. She needs to remember that.

The Porch Moment is not a true indication that anything has inherently changed for him in his internal processes yet - it is his instinct to respond this way.

She will need to look ahead with this, Lishy - for the both of them, and ask that they both wait to see what is "beyond the porch".

Not as a punishment - but out of wisdom, see?

Something in him recognized that he cannot move forward - that recognition is strong enough that he is willing to risk losing what he has with her. She MUST recognize the full impact and implications of this.


See? She will need to truly give him the gift of the time and space he requested. She will need to be strong that way - for him and for the relationship, if it is to actually have any possible chance of solid footing later.

So while she thinks this is the critical moment, it isn't. It is only one of many. But she needs to be mindful of the whole process they are going through.

"Beware the Porch".
 

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ahhhh i remember the porch moment oh too well...

it was at the "porch" moment that us guys lose our self respect and we become the AFC... it doesn't matter if it's a guy or a girl, calling the i need space is a load of crap. plain and simple.
 

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The way I see it is if the couple can't handle it in a mature, and somewhat emotionally detached manner, meaning not being impulsive or jumping the gun, then it may be demonstrative that they may not be able to handle the difficulties and challenges that ALL couples WILL face in the future.

If they can't handle it well under pressure now, there may be less chance of success in the future.

This is all about how men and women communicate to each other.Both have to be willing to listen to each other, and speak their minds as clearly as they can.


The bad thing is when people demonize others for whatever issue they may be facing. It is ignorance and lack of understanding and compassion.

And the evidence of people seeking their ego /narcissism validation and blaming others for not getting it is everywhere.
 

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dannyegg4575 said:
ahhhh i remember the porch moment oh too well...

it was at the "porch" moment that us guys lose our self respect and we become the AFC.
I hesitated to address this aspect - but yes, giving him the gift of revisiting his desire to be with you later - beyond the emotion filled porch moment is important for dignity as well.

I believe it is not because the sincerity he feels in the moment is weak in and of it self - but because if you agree to move forward at that moment in your journey as a couple, it is not in a position of strength.

Because the porch moment is fear based. It is out of fear of loss - not out of recognition of the value of the love the two people share.
 

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LovelyLady said:
I hesitated to address this aspect - but yes, giving him the gift of revisiting his desire to be with you - beyond the emotion filled moment is important to.

I believe it is not because the sincerity he feels in the moment is weak in and of it self - but because if you agree to move foraward at that moment in yourjourney as a couple, it is not in a position of strength.

Because the porch moment is fear based. It is out of fear of loss - not out of recognition of the value of the love the two people share.
I do agree to a lot of what you say about the fear of loss. It rattles the cage of the one being left behind. The problem is in how he dealt with that loss. It is a position of power being shifted. The person able to walk away feels an ego boost and the ego blinds everything that makes sense.

So, even if you go to your partner to the porch moment, explaining how things will be different, it would make no difference because it will further fuel the desire of the one walking away to have the strength to walk even faster. Because that person knows that no matter what, you have feelings for them and that they can always come back should things not work out.

It's the same analogy of working. You have a job that you like but you found another job that could potentially pays more. You hold on this job you're at until you are sure that the other job will hire you. if you're good with the boss, maybe you can come back in the future if things don't work out. So, that's why you leave on a good note. The new job might pay better, etc... but if the new job sucks you are assured that you can come back to this job if the boss leaves the door open for you. So, why would you feel an urgency to come back when you know you'll be able to pay your bills and be fed regardless?

The person wanting to walk away, means that they think they have found something better. that's the bottom line. It is in recognition that the person on the other side of the fence isn't any better that perhaps a small piece of the old memory might come back and have a safety net and/or you can revisit the "old good feelings".
 

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The person wanting to walk away, means that they think they have found something better. that's the bottom line
I dont agree with this in all circumstances.
Sure, some people may do that. But everyone? In every single circumstance??!
I dont think so.



But then again, I dont see everythign in the world as black and white. And concrete written in stone rules as many others do.
I think it's a narrow view to place a one size fits all mentality like this in matters where most of the time...you may be just speculating.
Beware of speculating and making assumptions.


I learned the hard way myself.
When I jumped to conclusions, and said some harsh words to a person who had mentored me, and helped me in the past
And he reminded me that there is no way that I can truly know what is in his mind and his heart, and to always use accurate thinking. And not act on speculations and assumptions. As it turned out, he did not feel the way I thought he did.

It was humbling to say the least. I was mortified.


Be careful on making those cut and dried conclusions on a human being.
They dont deserve that.
People grow and change.
To make a conclusion of someone is a huge disservice.


My dos centavos..
 

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dannyegg4575 said:
I do agree to a lot of what you say about the fear of loss. It rattles the cage of the one being left behind. The problem is in how he dealt with that loss. It is a position of power being shifted. The person able to walk away feels an ego boost and the ego blinds everything that makes sense.

So, even if you go to your partner to the porch moment, explaining how things will be different, it would make no difference because it will further fuel the desire of the one walking away to have the strength to walk even faster. Because that person knows that no matter what, you have feelings for them and that they can always come back should things not work out.

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The person wanting to walk away, means that they think they have found something better. that's the bottom line. It is in recognition that the person on the other side of the fence isn't any better that perhaps a small piece of the old memory might come back and have a safety net and/or you can revisit the "old good feelings".
Hi Danny :)

Actually, my reflections to Lishy's friend is geared towards her being the one that is being "left alone on the field". (Not her as a person being left in a situation where there is just a jumping from bed to bed - but a genuine matter of the heart - a recognition that the man is not ready - is not capable.

My experience is that men who leave under those circumstances panic (as the women who leave under these kinds of heart circumstances do as well) and they return later in some form of "the Porch" dynamic.

The person leaving panics - because they realize it is possible the leaving will/has ended everything and they face the recognition of the loss. see, they have not weighed the full impact of the loss of the person they are leaving into their equation - because the leaving is designed to relieve the pressure they feel of the belief they hold that they can not meet whatever the future may hold.

See, the stress/fear/concerns build to where they can't find their way to move forward in the relatoionship. So they end the relationship as it is.

Then, they feel the relief of the pressure that was building and they think it is good that they ended it ("phew, dodged that bullet" they think) ... (hey also... this is not referring to Kontrollerx's "bullet" he mentions above).

Then they peek out from behind the sandbags, feeling safe and relieved of the anxiety, and realize that there were no bullets at all - it was all just ghosts of bullets past and future.

And they also realize how much it really sucks living life behind the sandbags and realize they may have lost the woman they genuinely love.

And so they go to retrieve the woman left on the field. (that is the porch moment).

But - this is key: all that led up to the man perceiving a threat - all that paniced and cried out in him to retreat has still not been addressed - simply because he returns to the field/porch (my "Womenese" is the porch, so forgive the mixed home-oriented metaphors with the Manspeak war imagery) -

So the time and space is still needed.

And the woman now also needs the time to really ask herself if she wants to pair herself with a man who leaves her alone on the field (albeit her perception is they were sitting down in the field to eat a picnic she prepared for them - she is completely oblivious to the man's perceptions of bullets flying everywhere - because he generally does not talk about them until he is retreating). This is a SHOCK to the person being left under these relational dynamics.

See, ideally, you want someone who says - come with me behind the sandbags - I perceive a threat. Not someone who says "See ya' I am retreating - I may be back - maybe not". Women want loyalty in the field too.

This is NOT to say that there are not genuine "THREATS" perceived by the man as well.

(Now please note my reflections are gender based to address a female's experience, but genders can be easily reversed. Matters of the heart really don't vary as greatly from gender to gender.)
 
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