“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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The *No Contact* Challenge! ( Read this if you just got dumped)

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Yes, the contact creates pain.

Day 40NC here. Really struggling. Have her blocked, I know contacting would be painful. Miss her.

Injury been keeping me from running, and my work slowed down. Need to keep busy.
Keep it up man... There will be bad days like these but they do not last. You are on the home stretch I think. The darkest hour just before break of dawn. It was like that for me during the 30 - 40 days.

Furthermore, perhaps it easy to see why you miss her. Your other distractions ie running and work are in the skids... Therefore, it is easy to go back to thinking about her. Just a thought, yoga is really awesome for non intense full body workout and you get the additional benefit of being in the midst of an abundance of women... NC or bust.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Keep it up man... There will be bad days like these but they do not last. You are on the home stretch I think. The darkest hour just before break of dawn. It was like that for me during the 30 - 40 days.

Furthermore, perhaps it easy to see why you miss her. Your other distractions ie running and work are in the skids... Therefore, it is easy to go back to thinking about her. Just a thought, yoga is really awesome for non intense full body workout and you get the additional benefit of being in the midst of an abundance of women... NC or bust.

I have the same problem man... just over 4 months of strict NC

was doing great in the gym, to the point, where I would walk down the road and the ladies would pretty obviously stare at me..

the hardcore training was getting me through.. but now given myself a rotator cuff injury, that can take potentially months to heal..

feeling down in the dumps about this.. I will probably lose most of my gains...

just have to pick myself up again, once the shoulder has somewhat healed.. can't le this beat me..

as for the ex.. going back is not even an option!
 

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the hardcore training was getting me through.. but now given myself a rotator cuff injury, that can take potentially months to heal..

feeling down in the dumps about this.. I will probably lose most of my gains...
Tough break man. Take solace in muscle memory... And there are other work outs like Legs. Perhaps good time to brush up on Game.
 

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61 days NC, here's a frank post about my NC so far....

Ok, so I've done the original poster's challenge of 60 days. How do I feel two months on? Well there have been moments along the way where I've felt good, resolute and strong, and there have been weak moments where I've been very tempted to contact her to see if she was OK (you see, my ex is bipolar and does reach extreme depressive lows). Fortunately I haven't.

She contacted me twice during this period and I ignored both, once about a week in, then about a month in. She sounded very sad about it all both times, and if I'm honest, it did make me feel great for about 3 days before it wore off. It was the validation that I had left a vacuum in her life which I once filled and that she was hurting too, in her case possible more so. I have felt a bit sad that she gave up trying to contact me, but it's understandable given I've ignored her. It must be quite humiliating for a women who used to have you on tap now getting ignored and stone-walled with silence. I suppose they just accept the situation with sadness and carry on.

Am I fully cured? Honestly? No. It hasn't been the magic bullet fix and strangely, I've wanted to contact her quite a lot this last week in particular, but on average I think the intensity of the yearning has become much much less. Most of all I think my thoughts about everything, particularly "us", have become far more balanced and rational.

Sixty days has made me consider her pros and cons more objectively and where things went wrong. So although she can be fvcked up, my NC period has made me reassess things in a clearer light. My ex is a very sweet person and a lot of the blame as to why we aren't together lay in my hands - as I wouldn't commit to something really serious. It was very much on my terms and very much a hedonistic "take it when I wanted it, leave it when I didn't". I think all she wanted was security. Yet my ex was very self absorbed and skewed by her bipolar condition. As is typical of women she wanted to talk about herself, her needs and her woes far more frequently than a balance should be and she could be fickle as fvck. One minute doting, affectionate, sexual as hell, the next distant, illogical or over-thinking some trivial thing I did or didn't do.

I think in my situation I often question whether or not a friendship outweighs complete loss, you see we were very close before hooking up and in many ways I miss that friendship a great deal. But by the opposite token, I think she needs a huge amount of emotional support and becoming that role again is a massive burden, especially if coupled with her being in another guy's castle - i.e. all the hassle and none of the benefits - fvck that. Some might say these thoughts sounds weak, and if it were at the start of NC I would totally agree, but I know this is a far more rational thought now, a lot clearer, logical and consolidated through NC, that I can totally guarantee. Not marred by manipulation or control sullied by the addictive cycle of contact. But for me contacting her again is a double edged sword and in many ways total separation could be the lesser of two evils, so I think I'll stick with NC right now.

So, do I recommend trying to reach 60 days? Yes! I think it's actually quite a cathartic experience and it does rebuild many damaged aspects that you are feeling from the early days of NC. It allows you to focus on you and the repair of you, and also prevents you from becoming a crutch to your ex whilst she looks for other c0ck. You see, a lot of women need male support in their lives (especially in-between relationships) and will manipulate men (often consciously but also I believe unconsciously) to get that. It bolsters their fragile fvcked up emotional egos, knowing someone out there - perhaps other than their significant other - supports them, obsesses about them, considers them the Princess they think they should be or is there at the drop of a hat or with a little girlie voiced flirty request. Unlike men, who are governed by a logical persuasion in the decision making department, woman are slave to emotions and are lost when you remove yourself from that emotional knight in shining armour support role in their life - I truly believe it can send cataclysmic shock waves through their psyche. I'm a firm believer NC can trigger the one thing in their mind that they listen to - their emotions - and they are forced to reflect on what you meant to them in a far more profound way. Through losing you, they finally realise your true value to them. The old saying "you only appreciate someone's worth when they are gone" is as true a statement as you'll ever hear. Yes, NC may not help you and your ex get back together, but your true value to her will finally be palpable, and you'll both realise that through the NC process.

Just my penny's worth. Keep up the NC!
Great forum. Read through 50 pages and had some great inspiration but this post is gold..
 

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Hey guys, haven't been on here for a while but I'm back.

I broke NC 7 days ago just to tell her happy birthday. I kept it short and sweet "Happy birthday! Hope it's a good one x"

Turns out I jumped the gun and her bday is actually the 7th of next month. She just said she hopes she gets a bday text from me on her actual bday, I said I'll think about it lol and left it at that.

I know some of you will probably be right in saying I shouldn't have bothered in the first place but whatever, I saw no harm in it and what's done is done.

The reason why I'm here is because it's been 3 and a half months since we went our own ways and a couple days ago I found out that she's now in a relationship. It hit me like a truck if I'm being honest.. everytime I wake up I hope that it was just a bad dream but it's not.

Should I send her another bday msg on her bday "Happy actualy birthday xo" or not, and why/why not? I'm leaning towards not saying anything but if I don't then she's going to know it's because im cut about her finding someone new, and if I do then I run the risk of looking like a soft c0ck,

Mentally, I've been out of whack the past few weeks. Dealing with a lot of other crap in my life and not much is going right and this was the last thing I needed.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Hey guys, haven't been on here for a while but I'm back.

I broke NC 7 days ago just to tell her happy birthday. I kept it short and sweet "Happy birthday! Hope it's a good one x"

Turns out I jumped the gun and her bday is actually the 7th of next month. She just said she hopes she gets a bday text from me on her actual bday, I said I'll think about it lol and left it at that.

I know some of you will probably be right in saying I shouldn't have bothered in the first place but whatever, I saw no harm in it and what's done is done.

The reason why I'm here is because it's been 3 and a half months since we went our own ways and a couple days ago I found out that she's now in a relationship. It hit me like a truck if I'm being honest.. everytime I wake up I hope that it was just a bad dream but it's not.

Should I send her another bday msg on her bday "Happy actualy birthday xo" or not, and why/why not? I'm leaning towards not saying anything but if I don't then she's going to know it's because im cut about her finding someone new, and if I do then I run the risk of looking like a soft c0ck,

Mentally, I've been out of whack the past few weeks. Dealing with a lot of other crap in my life and not much is going right and this was the last thing I needed.
The closer you get to her the more hurt you are, isn't it?
 

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The closer you get to her the more hurt you are, isn't it?
To be honest, I haven't stopped hurting. Time hasn't eased any of the pain. Finding out that she moved on this quickly just made me feel 100x worse.
 

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To be honest, I haven't stopped hurting. Time hasn't eased any of the pain. Finding out that she moved on this quickly just made me feel 100x worse.
You don't really know if she moved on in my opinion, the fact that she's with someone else could be cause she's still hurt and she's with him to erase the pain, you never know. But the only think and the best you can do it's to try to forget about it, and move on. Anyways I know how you feel, i'm in NC also and seems like my exgf moved on and doesn't give a **** at all.
 

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It's better never to know man...

I blocked and erased my ex from my life completely... even changed my number...

I do not EVER check social media... she may have moved on... or she may not have moved on with another guy at all..

I don't want to know... i just want to get to the place, where i do not care if she is with someone!
 

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Reached out one last time and was ghosted. Had to see a therapist over this. Going to get back into NLP as my belief system took a major hit.. thought processes are totally scewd. I could use an accountability partner if anyone wants to pm me. I'm in a very dark place.identty has collapsed.

Day 1.
 

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@Young_Don, @finality.

Listen, guys, I was in your place 2+ months ago when I started NC. Before that, I spent three weeks leading up to the break-up in a neurotic mind-fvck state that landed me back in the therapist chair. As a result, I'm most likely going to a fail a hard online class a month from now. Long story short is that I let this girl distract me from an important class I need to get into grad school. I'll most likely have to take the class over and I've been hard on myself for that. I let myself fall apart. I lost 15 pounds earlier this year from an accident and depression then another 5 lbs loss on an already small frame after the breakup. 60 days of solid NC got my life refocused. I started a 12-week lifting program in the gym and gained 17 pounds of muscle back. I don't look like a frail ghost that I was at 136 lbs now that I'm 152 lbs. You can read more of my process in previous pages. I also became a social group organizer of a group of a couple of hundred people with added responsibility. That has given me social proof, where before people thought I was invisible. People look up to me now to lead and that feels great. I actually enjoy leading now where before I was always the follower. I bought an electric and acoustic guitar that I practice daily for an hour or so and go to weekly lessons. That has helped me get my mind off the ex and women tremendously in general.

I'm writing this post to give you guys hope.

One of the toughest lessons you need to learn is to never ever hand over your self-esteem to another woman. She'll take your self-esteem and ride all over it like the dirt of a monster truck rally. No fvcks will be given by her. Never allow yourself to be self-validated on the basis fact that a woman wants a LTR or not with you. Your validation comes from you. Never make a woman your #1 priority. Your success comes from the hard work that you invest in yourself. That could be your education, career, personality, hobbies, looks/style, gym, etc.

Women are going to have branches to jump to now thanks to social media, OLD, good ol' fashion proximity (school, work, professional networks, social spheres, etc.). So who cares about what branch she jumps to. It could be any guy who happens to be at the right place at the right time. And even then who knows how long she'll stay with that branch until moving on to another branch. It's all relative.

What are you proud of? Celebrate in those good things and continue to make your strengths even stronger. Continue your Don Juan transformation, so that if a girl breaks up with you or you break up with her, the wheels don't come off the wagon. Build a solid foundation around yourself, life, values and goals. Put in the hard work for yourself and never stop improving.

Women come and go in this world. There will be many plates dropped. What remains? You. So invest in yourself. You are the one thing that remains constant and you have everything in your power and will to change what you want moving forward.

Leave the ex in the past, learn from your mistakes, and shake off the dust. Life awaits.
 
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I think what is making me feel like **** the most is that I've just graduated and I'm on government benefits because I'm struggling to find even permanent part time work in my field. I'm stuck at home and all I have is the gym, and I don't even have motivation for that. I feel useless. I've been applying for other jobs in the meantime but all I can do is wait and I hate it.

Yet she's planning her 5th or 6th trip around Europe and now has a new boyfriend (who by the way looks like a ****in down syndrome ape). I don't like putting other people down but **** it, I'm at an all time low.

I feel like I was that branch she used between her last relationship to her new found love, and what the **** am I left with? Nothing in my life is going right no matter what I do. It's a complete mind ****.
 

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@Young_Don, @finality.

Listen, guys, I was in your place 2+ months ago when I started NC. Before that, I spent three weeks leading up to the break-up in a neurotic mind-fvck state that landed me back in the therapist chair. As a result, I'm most likely going to a fail a hard online class a month from now. Long story short is that I let this girl distract me from an important class I need to get into grad school. I'll most likely have to take the class over and I've been hard on myself for that. I let myself fall apart. I lost 15 pounds earlier this year from an accident and depression then another 5 lbs loss on an already small frame after the breakup. 60 days of solid NC got my life refocused. I started a 12-week lifting program in the gym and gained 17 pounds of muscle back. I don't look like a frail ghost that I was at 136 lbs now that I'm 152 lbs. You can read more of my process in previous pages. I also became a social group organizer of a group of a couple of hundred people with added responsibility. That has given me social proof, where before people thought I was invisible. People look up to me now to lead and that feels great. I actually enjoy leading now where before I was always the follower. I bought an electric and acoustic guitar that I practice daily for an hour or so and go to weekly lessons. That has helped me get my mind off the ex and women tremendously in general.

I'm writing this post to give you guys hope.

One of the toughest lessons you need to learn is to never ever hand over your self-esteem to another woman. She'll take your self-esteem and ride all over it like the dirt of a monster truck rally. No fvcks will be given by her. Never allow yourself to be self-validated on the basis fact that a woman wants a LTR or not with you. Your validation comes from you. Never make a woman your #1 priority. Your success comes from the hard work that you invest in yourself. That could be your education, career, personality, hobbies, looks/style, gym, etc.

Women are going to have branches to jump to now thanks to social media, OLD, good ol' fashion proximity (school, work, professional networks, social spheres, etc.). So who cares about what branch she jumps to. It could be any guy who happens to be at the right place at the right time. And even then who knows how long she'll stay with that branch until moving on to another branch. It's all relative.

What are you proud of? Celebrate in those good things and continue to make your strengths even stronger. Continue your Don Juan transformation, so that if a girl breaks up with you or you break up with her, the wheels don't come off the wagon. Build a solid foundation around yourself, life, values and goals. Put in the hard work for yourself and never stop improving.

Women come and go in this world. There will be many plates dropped. What remains? You. So invest in yourself. You are the one thing that remains constant and you have everything in your power and will to change what you want moving forward.

Leave the ex in the past, learn from your mistakes, and shake off the dust. Life awaits.
Awesome post resilient... Guys, you are still in the grieving phase. Understand that and accept it will be like that for a while. Do not contact your ex or check up on her. You will never get out of it if not.

Day 52 of NC. Finish line so close I can smell it. Although I think I am doing really well as it is. Gym, dance, French are all going in full speed. I am half way in my plan to change my job and should have something nailed down in the capital by the end of the year. I am spinning two plates at the same time. Unbelievable. Got a 20 year old HB6.5 yesterday with the body of a porn star into my stable. First time in my life, I am spinning plates. It feels good.

I am honest about my intentions and do not do the beta **** anymore. I feel raw desire from the girls I meet. Not the negotiated desire of a LTR. My frame is rock solid and getting better every day. It is my way or the highway. What is really interesting is that I know fundamentally that if tomorrow, I lose all my plates and once again end up completely and utterly devoid of female attention, I will still be doing great. I have a solid life of lifting, dancing, french lessons and socializing with quality people. I am progressing. I am building my life. Girls are nothing more than a past time. The real goal is my life and living it the way I always wanted to. Without the need for a woman to complete me.
 

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To be honest, I haven't stopped hurting. Time hasn't eased any of the pain. Finding out that she moved on this quickly just made me feel 100x worse.
You're equating your own sense of self worth with the amount of time that it took her to move on.

If she cared about you more then she would take longer to move on, right? Wrong. This is a false perspective that will
do nothing but cause you damage.

All of the hurt you feel from this situation is coming from you. It's coming from your interpretation of the situation.

You want this hurt. You want to wallow.

The day you decide to move on is the day that you will move on.
 

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Day 2.

Only had 4 hours of sleep. Had a dream of her doing the things that set of alarms when a girl is cheating. Then when I pressed her about it she admitted to hanging out with some guy. Terrible way to start your day, energetically.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Keep it up guys!

It has been about 7 months for me and haven't heard a peep from her. It really is the best way to go. Delete contact information, delete from social media, delete everything! If after a couple months, you are still struggling, you need to really look inside and figure out the real problem. If you dwell on the problem for too long, you are merely delaying your success in the future.

What have I learned from all of this?
-Women are easy... as hitch said "any man can sweep any woman off her feet, all he needs is the right broom"
-Keep your standards... For example, went out with one girl who was a heavy pothead... I do not smoke weed and have zero desire to be around it.... immediate next for me... these are different for everyone... don't use SS to determine YOUR standards
-Live your life and let women come to you... don't center your activities around women... also, do what you want and let her come along for the ride
-One foot out the door means protect yourself! Open your heart to love, but she has to know that you will NOT tolerate poor behavior. This is where AFC totally takes over for most men, tolerating poor behavior...

It is not easy, but spinning plates and working on your inner confidence makes things much much much easier! You have to KNOW that YOU ARE THE PRIZE, NOT HER!
 

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I think what is making me feel like **** the most is that I've just graduated and I'm on government benefits because I'm struggling to find even permanent part time work in my field. I'm stuck at home and all I have is the gym, and I don't even have motivation for that. I feel useless. I've been applying for other jobs in the meantime but all I can do is wait and I hate it.

Yet she's planning her 5th or 6th trip around Europe and now has a new boyfriend (who by the way looks like a ****in down syndrome ape). I don't like putting other people down but **** it, I'm at an all time low.

I feel like I was that branch she used between her last relationship to her new found love, and what the **** am I left with? Nothing in my life is going right no matter what I do. It's a complete mind ****.
Time changes everything, 1 year ago I had no job and no money at all. Today I have my dream job and I have money, everything can change in a moment, keep it up and you'll be fine.
 

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Time changes everything, 1 year ago I had no job and no money at all. Today I have my dream job and I have money, everything can change in a moment, keep it up and you'll be fine.
I hope so man. I've battled depression since I was in high school and it's only gotten worse over the past few years, especially last year up to now. I've been having strong suicidal thoughts and urges, I've come really close but couldn't hurt my parents like that. I'm trying to hang in there but everyday that I wake up feels like a kick in the guts.
 

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I've been applying for other jobs in the meantime but all I can do is wait and I hate it.
Keep applying to those jobs man. Be persistent and don't give up hope. In the meantime, stick with the gym. If you need motivation please read Mike Hildebrandts' story about his struggle with OCD and anxiety and his road to transformation. There are loads of stories like his on Bodybuilding.com. I don't have depression but I do have a different mental disability that I struggle with every day. I'm in the gym five days a week. Unless I'm injured or have the flu, I'm in the gym.
...now has a new boyfriend (who by the way looks like a ****in down syndrome ape).
So his face looks like a clown. It's all good. In general, though, it's a good practice not to compare yourself to others, especially the new branch. It's self-defeating and robs you of your mental focus on you and your growth.
I feel like I was that branch she used between her last relationship to her new found love, and what the **** am I left with? Nothing in my life is going right no matter what I do. It's a complete mind ****.
Listen, I was in the same position. I was the in-between guy when she promised me that I wasn't a rebound. I then got soft next for another branch. I found that out on social media later after the fact. I went full NC after the breakup and used that time to improve myself.

I can only help with providing some positive thoughts and direction. If you find yourself with your dark thoughts and feeling beyond self-control, please call:

Lifeline at 1-800-273-TALK (8255).
 

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Iast night I had a dream about her.. this is the first time I have actually dreamt about her since the break up..

Its been 4 months NC.. it left me feeling down and depressed, but I shook it off once I got to work...

The road is long and hard, but there is not turning back now.. have come too far..

I have to keep reminding myself how BAD this woman is for me...

I can only find happiness again, once she is fully erased from my life.. man I yearn for complete indifference!!
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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