"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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The Nature of Attractive Women

iqqi

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Last Man Standing said:
Interceptor, this is why I was against splitting up the forum and creating the mature man forum - the main discussion forum is filled with young guys that don't know the reality of today's women or a man's position relating to her!
And this is the forum they come to to seek counsel.
The MM forum is great to discuss matters without the deluge of immature misspelled trivial postings by our growing boys here at sosuave. The important thing to do as MM and MW is take what you can from the MM forums, and give what you can to the main discussion.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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iqqi said:
GREAT post, something that was on my very mind tonight. I even chose to spend Valentines Day by myself rather than with any of the men I know, because I am tired of being around weak, insecure, soulless men. I could not even stomach the idea of their displays of affection on this day, as they do not have the strenth or sincerity to reach me.

I just want to meet a man who is stronger than I am!!
LOL, you're a trip. So you're basically saying you want an "azzhole". I bet you hooked it up late night for V-day. :crackup:
 

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LOL, you're a trip. So you're basically saying you want an "azzhole". I bet you hooked it up late night for V-day. :crackup:
No fool, don't worry. Your dearest iqqi is safe and tucked in the bed, organizing her extensive music collection. She is listening to some Poe.

Depends on your definition of "azzhole". A man who isn't afraid to have his own convictions, yes, very attractive. A man who is a jerk because he is afraid to be himself, no, that is unattractive and weak.
 

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No fool, don't worry. Your dearest iqqi is safe and tucked in the bed, organizing her extensive music collection. She is listening to some Poe.

Depends on your definition of "azzhole". A man who isn't afraid to have his own convictions, yes, very attractive. A man who is a jerk because he is afraid to be himself, no, that is unattractive and weak.
They did that "johnny johnny this is your jezebel in hell" or something song. Those are probably the wrong lyrics. I liked that song. I'm old.

Actually, when I read the OP it appealed to me. I didn't see anything about being an a-hole in there. I'm tired at looking at chicks as my savior. But I also don't want to be separated from my emotions. I'm sure they can go together. I actually don't mind thinking of them mainly as sex objects, with the option of a deeper connection down the road. Sex object first. They react to guys who do that. I don't see why you can't be like the OP and be a warm, genuine person at the same time.

But, I'm morphing into something crazy weird right now. I have no clue what I'm saying these days. /end.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I guess the bottom line is that in order to get laid, you need to be sexually aggressive. If they want you back, and the signals and the energy is right, as long as you let them know, matter a factly that you have no interest in being anything less than F*** buddies, you will eventually land up naked together. What I am viciously against is the "Friendzone" I pick and choose my female friends very carefully. Right now, it's down to one, and she is cool, although she knows that I'd do her in a minute, I have known her for 3 years, and she is a fun, and good person. So I dont go there with her.

But the others, well, they get told right off the bat, not to be seeing me as "just a friend" or they will get sent on their merry way. I REFUSE to waste $$$, time, energy and effort on a woman who only wants me for an emotional tampon. If she wants to tell me all about what an ******* her ex is, as long as she does it, while I am having my post coital ciggy, after the second round of anal sex, she can talk all night long about what an a$$hole he is, and even cry in my arms about him.
 
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