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Theory 15 - If a girl is expecting someone else instead of you, it will be very difficult to get her interested in you.

Example - Sicilian pizza girl, internet girls who never saw a clear picture but became attracted to you through conversation

Theory 16 - A girl smiling at you at some point during the date could be meaningless

Example - Sicilian pizza girl, probably several others I can't remember cause I'm drunk

Theory 17 - A girl saying we should see each other again during or when you leave the date or something to that effect could be meaningless

Example - Sicilian pizza girl, probably a few others, yes drunk.

Theory 18 - Bar/Club picks up go for a make out/hook up because numbers are wood

Example - Jewish Melissa, drunk girl who didn't care her friend was pissed she was talking to me, Ashlynne who I should have made out with but I number closed and wasted money on a brunch date, train pick up sleepy girl. God damn so many others.... If a chick is buzzed and in a bar for God sake make a fvcking move... number close if that fails Yeah!!!!!!!!!

Theory 19 - Girls who call out your kino negatively aren't worth investing time into

Example - Jewish Melissa, fvcking **** ended up marrying some older sucker. The only other girl who called out my kino was an Italian girl named Lauren and she didn't do it negatively, she basically was asking if I touch everyone I go out with trying to see if it meant I liked her.... she wanted my junk and if not for my gf freaking out the night I could have banged her I probably would have.

Theory 20 - A girl that doesn't say thank you or appreciate the money and time you spent on them are not a good investment period.

Example - Way too many.... just keep this in mind if you drop any money dating a girl.

Theory 21 - A girl that mentions her ex and uses that as a barometer is not worth your investment unless you want to jump through hoops

Example - Jewish Melissa definitely one of the most ****iest girls I dated. Now don't get me wrong this is only if she mentions her ex and tries to compare him against you

Theory 22 - A girl might end up with a guy lesser than them according to hyergamous standards as they realize they have the power in the relationship being the prize.

Example - Jewish Melissa (she talked and dressed all superficial but ended up marrying a teacher who makes a modest salary). Other girls include my friend Gina who married and had a kid with a super fat guy.... This was after she rode the cvck carousel though. Portuguese Vera, Italian stuck up Daniela, My ex before my approach journal. Hot Polish girl Kate I never met, I am drunk but I know there's several more... oh blonde Lauren who I never met, Kristina who blew me for 30 seconds in bar parking lot (caught her sweating a past lover when she was engaged to some AFC), Flight attendant Erika, Tracy who was the hottest girl I ever raw dogged, many more I can't think of right now.
 

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@Reyaj surely you've noticed that you're describing your ideal woman with these theories.

what is your end goal? to have one solid girl and start a family? to lay many many women? once you lay a woman you enjoyed what do you do? try to make her a consistent FWB? to what end?
 

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A girl twirling a lock of her hair means nothing, I've found. They do it all the time.
 

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@Reyaj surely you've noticed that you're describing your ideal woman with these theories.

what is your end goal? to have one solid girl and start a family? to lay many many women? once you lay a woman you enjoyed what do you do? try to make her a consistent FWB? to what end?
I'm mainly just trying to recount my experience with females and note down theories I derive from them. I don't see how any of them describe an ideal female honestly. The analogy I'll use is that of school versus work.... You go to school, college etc... you learn about of theory... but then when you actually work you find the experience much different and that's where you actually learn and do.

A girl twirling a lock of her hair means nothing, I've found. They do it all the time.
Absolutely! This little so called indicator of interest gets preached everywhere and like you I've found it to mean absolutely nothing. One thing I did hear recently from a so called "female dating expert" is that if a girl twirls it, it means nothing but if she pulls it in some manner it gives of tension which could be an indicator of interest. I can't say I've noticed this though. I'm adding this as my next theory though, thank you!

Theory 23 - A girl twirling her hair when with you can mean absolutely nothing.
Example - Brooke got best looking in her high school year book and thought I was boring, having low interest level after our meet.
 

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I'm mainly just trying to recount my experience with females and note down theories I derive from them. I don't see how any of them describe an ideal female honestly. The analogy I'll use is that of school versus work.... You go to school, college etc... you learn about of theory... but then when you actually work you find the experience much different and that's where you actually learn and do.



Absolutely! This little so called indicator of interest gets preached everywhere and like you I've found it to mean absolutely nothing. One thing I did hear recently from a so called "female dating expert" is that if a girl twirls it, it means nothing but if she pulls it in some manner it gives of tension which could be an indicator of interest. I can't say I've noticed this though. I'm adding this as my next theory though, thank you!

Theory 23 - A girl twirling her hair when with you can mean absolutely nothing.
Example - Brooke got best looking in her high school year book and thought I was boring, having low interest level after our meet.
Maybe you misunderstood.
18 - Bar/Club picks up go for a make out/hook up because numbers are wood
For example this is only true for a certain type of girl. There are exceptions and if you follow these rules to a tee you'll be be excluding them, creating a smaller and smaller set of girls, your ideal. My question to you is what is your endgame? A wife? Lots of lays? Goals will dictate your trajectory, will orient you, otherwise you're disoriented.
 
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Maybe you misunderstood.

For example this is only true for a certain type of girl. There are exceptions and if you follow these rules to a tee you'll be be excluding them, creating a smaller and smaller set of girls, your ideal. My question to you is what is your endgame? A wife? Lots of lays? Goals will dictate your trajectory, will orient you, otherwise you're disoriented.
Alright, I think I see more what you're asking now. First let me say that prompted me to make an amendment to Theory 18.. I actually have scored plenty of numbers that have lead to dates, sex, and ltr... So this theory is more towards girls in these settings who are responding favorably to kino and probably feeling good from alcohol.

Theory 18 Amendment - Bar/Club picks try and go for a make out/hook up with girls who seem alcohol happy and respond well to kino as numbers are often wood. If it that fails you could always try for a number which I have done successfully. Examples are the same as above where the number close lead to nothing and example of me trying for a making out getting the number is Rachele who flat out told me she doesn't kiss guys right away.

So back to your point, yes girls that don't seem favorable to this kind of approach you can number close and potentially date them later. Many of these numbers will still be wood, but some will pan out because in the end its all just a numbers game.

I'll probably dig deeper into the answer to your question as this thread progresses as I mentioned this whole review has lead me to a philosophical approach to life. For now the short answer is BOTH :)
 

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Theory 24 - A girl can think you are handsome or generally good looking but not be attracted to you.

Example - Brooke got best looking in her high school, told my friend I was "definitely" cute but not her type. Probably tons of others.

Theory 25 -If a girl stares directly at you for an extended period of time this is an indicator of interest.

Note; I mean starring even if she is not talking to you. These also tend to be girls that are forward, aggressive.

Example - Alessandra, Sonia,

Theory 26 - If a girl asks if you have a girlfriend, are single or it makes it known she is single it is an indicator of interest.

Example - Alessandra, some other girl from a while ago I can't think of

Theory 27 - If a girl is seeing someone longer than she is you, or has more of an attachment to him then she may lead you on for a bit but flake at a moment's notice as he will trump you.

Example - Most girls online really... some recent ones that come are Nadine Amy V, Miss A. Robinson but this has happend often! I'm not saying it only happens with online girls I think thats where its most noticeable since I find a lot of them jump on there when they are on breaks or mad at their boyfriends. As soon as they get back together they disappear. The other commonality with online girls are just that they are flooded and spinning their male plates that by the time you talk to them they are often already involved with one more people. If that guy has already has an in and works quicker, you are trumped.
 
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Theory 28 - If a girl intentionally tries to make you jealous by some correspondence with another man and you act jealous or upset about it, she will lose attraction towards you

Examples - Christine the first, Luana, Sonia, Portuguese Joann,

Theory 29 - A lot of girls want you during the heat of the moment. If you stop for example to get a condom outside of the room you are in or for something else they may lose their inclination to have sex with you.

Examples - Sonia, Polish grad school girl, teacher who I thought blue balled me,
 

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I had a few recent online girls who are in one of these on/off relationships with their boyfriend give their numbers to one of my friends and wanted me to reach out. One girl is with an alcoholic who she kicked out of their house and the other mentioned she thought they were going to break up. Its funny cause they are so hot and cold and you can tell its all based on how their relationship is going at the time.

Just adds more credence to Theory 27 - If a girl is seeing someone longer than she is you, or has more of an attachment to him then she may lead you on for a bit but flake at a moment's notice as he will trump you.
 

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Theory 30 - Approach timing is key. If you want to approach a girl you'll want to make sure the opportunity is right. External factors could mess you up. A simple example of this might be when she is on a slight pause in talking to her friend, or if she manages to have some distance from them where you can wedge your position for approaching. Once in a while they might walk away from them to use the bathroom or get a drink etc...

Examples - My approach journal (see signature if you all haven't read it already)

Theory 31 - Asking a girl to dance is a demonstration of lower value. You should say "let's dance" or something more assertive.

Examples - My approach journal and just several others throughout my life.

Theory 32 - Starring at a girl too long without approaching will turn her off, creep her out or both.

Examples - So many... I think my approach journal has some as well.
 
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Theory 33 -The 3 second rule is legit. This helps in 2 ways: First it stops you from analysis paralysis and secondly it makes the approach itself less awkward with a girl that' is in your vicinity, meaning the longer you are in her vicinity without approaching the more awkward and unattractive you will come off to her.

Examples - My approach journal, Portuguese Elizabeth

Theory 34 - Don't always assume a guy talking to a girl is her boyfriend

Examples - my approach journal

Theory 35 - If you meet a girl in a social setting and she says she has to step away but will be back, try and get the number right there and then as you may never well see her again after she walks away. If she doesn't give it and insists she will be back later to give it etc... she doesn't have high interest in you.

Examples - my approach journal

Theory 36 - If a girl says she has a boyfriend you should not take it as low interest. Many attractive girls are involved with someone.

Examples - my approach journal and just life in general.

Theory 37 - A girl could lie about having a boyfriend if she isn't interested in you

Examples - Italian BJ girl who told my friend she was married but blew me a few weeks later. My ex I came to this forum after the break up flat out told me girls do this. I'm sure I've gotten this line from several in my life without knowing the truth.

For both these theories I want to share a response from my approach journal;

Out of 100 girls
50 are married (probably a lot unhappy. some would cheat some still wouldn't)
35 have a serious boyfriend or are dating and not looking for a new guy.
15 claim to be single (of these 4 of them actually have boyfriends but are getting ready to dump them and are open for a new guy) ad probably at least 3 are lesbos lol

As you can see this doesn't leave a lot of girls, this is why its good to approach everyone and consider a rejection as a single girl who you don't get. Of course a lot of single girls have serious issues so its not really rejection but low interest.

I always see it as "low interest" and not rejection. I learned this as well on the forum a long time ago.
 

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Agree with all of them except 12, it can be a false positive.
 

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Agree with all of them except 12, it can be a false positive.
Yes nothing is absolute... I even had a girl tell me when leaving our date we should see each other again when she clearly wasn't interested.

However if you get a message after she is out of your presence without you initiating it I have found it to be a good sign and an indicator of interest. Once your date is over she as no reason to lead you on further and most girls simply ghost if they aren't interested. There are some that may be coy and respond sparingly... but if she on her own mentions she had a nice time without you initiating a text, I have almost always seen the girl again.

More theories to come soon, just been super busy.
 
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