The Modeling pickup line

[bigneil]

So I feel like I am holding the ace now.

Every time I see a beautiful girl, all I have to do is ask her if she has done any modeling and I'm in like Flynn. Now that I have two models to show photos of, they are ready to pose within minutes. I've never had a better strategy. Yes, you pay them a few hundred (never enough that anything is expected, by design), but it just ends up being the cost of two dates, so now that I can get unlimited dates with every girl I see (often several who are there at the same time) it's totally worth it. They need to get a night off work to feel as though they are truly working as a model.

The best part is, now I find myself truly asking whether hot girls I see are actually model material. Tattoos nearly always kill their chances.

Finally, it means a lot when you take a troubled girl who is waitressing or stripping (and possibly hooking) and you capture how beautiful and ladylike they can be, while they are in their prime. You can make a girl immortal that way, and often get them on the right path by treating them right. Not one but two of the models who were strippers who I worked with quit stripping after I worked with them. Having a portfolio works wonders for them.

 

[Thorninmyside]

The pitfall as I see it is that you build them up and give them self worth that maybe they didn't have before, then they take that worth and overvalue it and leave you behind to see what else they can get out of the world with it, which just makes you another chump paying their way through life, does it not?

When I was managing a retail chain I used to have a saying: When an employee finally becomes useful, they quit.

 

[bigneil]

The pitfall as I see it is that you build them up and give them self worth that maybe they didn't have before, then they take that worth and overvalue it and leave you behind to see what else they can get out of the world with it, which just makes you another chump paying their way through life, does it not?

When I was managing a retail chain I used to have a saying: When an employee finally becomes useful, they quit.

Good points.

1) A couple girls auditioned and didn't turn out to be that photogenic. In one example, with one of the hottest girls in town, you never saw a girl more angry. I was the only guy at the bar one Saturday and the girl was on the far side of the bar the whole time.

2) With my dream girl, on our second to last date I said to her "If I succeed in making you famous, I will most certainly lose you. I can only hope that after you meet everyone on Earth you decide you like me best" and she said "I do like you best!". When I ended things several weeks later (it was about as mutual as possible, with her last text being "Let me know if you change your mind" and my last email saying the same) I told her "The only way this can work is if you call me in a year and tell me you miss me".

We ultimately need to totally set our women free and know that they can have anyone and know that they chose us.

 

[zekko]

Neil, the more I read from you, the more I think you're crazier than a bed bug.
I think you might enjoy the drama more than the BPDs do, also.
But that's okay, you do you. More power to you.
The photographer/modeling bit is a classic swindle, I have to admit.

 

[marmel75]

Lmao...you need to parlay that into those backroom casting couches and get free lays from it by telling them you are going to get them modelling work but you need to see them naked first...

 

[bigneil]

Neil, the more I read from you, the more I think you're crazier than a bed bug.
I think you might enjoy the drama more than the BPDs do, also.
But that's okay, you do you. More power to you.
The photographer/modeling bit is a classic swindle, I have to admit.

Swindle?

verb: swindle; 3rd person present: swindles; past tense: swindled; past participle: swindled; gerund or present participle: swindling

1. 1.
   use deception to deprive (someone) of money or possessions.

noun
noun: swindle; plural noun: swindles

1. 1.
   a fraudulent scheme or action.

I got my last model back with her rich dad because she was so proud of her photos being rated 98. My new model said I helped her realize she doesn't want to be a stripper anymore (after one week). This is because I give them some legitimate work, a night off, and treat them like a lady. Both developed crushes on me. My accountant was ok with it.

Who am I deceiving?

Granted, photographing them costs about 93% less than taking them to VIP...

 

[bigneil]

Questions they ask when you say you are a Photographer:

1) What kind of camera do you have?
2) Do you have a business card?
3) Do you have a portfolio?
4) Do you mean you want me to do free modeling or does it pay?

 

[zekko]

Swindle?

I was admittedly being a little tongue in cheek when I said swindle. Call it a classic tactic if you prefer. Predates the PUA community by a long while.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I was admittedly being a little tongue in cheek when I said swindle. Call it a classic tactic if you prefer. Predates the PUA community by a long while.

Yea Ross Jeffries wrote about it in his book.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

I was admittedly being a little tongue in cheek when I said swindle.

I took it literally and believe it to be appropriate literally. Any "angle" one uses is necessarily deceptive. Unless you walk up to a girl and say, "I think you're pretty. I'd like to have a drink with you to get to know your personality. Maybe we might have enough in common to have a mutually enjoyable relationship, both emotional and physical. What do you think?" you are running some kind of game.

Some kind of FALSE FRAME under which the conversation is taking place. The real reason is to get the goods.

It doesn't matter if the "outcome" turns out to be beneficial.

Any time one human interacts with another human and the REAL INTENTION (money or puzzy) of the interaction is kept secret, that is deceptive, and a SWINDLE is a good word to describe this.

However, this isn't slam, this is part of human nature. We SWINDLE each other (or try to) all the time.

Nobody is innocent.

 

[bigneil]

My real intention is to take top rated photos of the most beautiful women. I figure the more women I capture, the easier it will be to capture more. I know from experience that you can end up seducing them and have a dream-like situation of a girl who will essentially do the ultimate in role playing. Also, I know it can keep them out of trouble for a few nights and maybe help get them on the right path.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Do you or any of these girls ever make any money DIRECTLY from these photos? Do any of them get any legitimate gigs from these "role playing encounters?"

 

[bigneil]

Do you or any of these girls ever make any money DIRECTLY from these photos? Do any of them get any legitimate gigs from these "role playing encounters?"

They get paid for the photo shoot, and they have to promise they won't do anything they don't want to do. Are you suggesting that if someone else doesn't pay them for the photos that something is wrong? They get paid about $50 an hour (I made $125 per hour average this year, so it's sustainable for me - multiply your hourly rate by 40% and see if you think that would be a good deal). VIP costs $650 per hour.

But I do wonder how to make money from the photos. I don't want any nudity or porn. Do I need to start with younger models who are 16 and get them to sign contracts, and forgo any romance?

By role playing I mean Scarlett O'Hara (on the site of Gone with the Wind), Grace Kelly in High Noon, or in the last case my girl had a Star Trek fantasy. I will note: in the 9 months I spent with her, nobody ever scored like Rhett Butler and Captain Kirk did.

 

[bigneil]

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

They get paid for the photo shoot, and they have to promise they won't do anything they don't want to do. Are you suggesting that if someone else doesn't pay them for the photos that something is wrong? T

I wasn't suggesting anything. I'm just trying to understand your scam, er, um, your technique.

So you meet these girls, and pay them to take their picture.

AFTER THAT, have you or any of the girls made any money?

Has any of the girls gotten any modeling contracts because of your photos?

Have you made any money from this? (e.g. they get a modeling contract and you get a finders fee or commission or something)

From what I understand, here's your angle:

You meet this girls, tell them they are model quality, and then pay them to take their picture.

Then you "date" them them until it (the relationship) ends.

Is that correct or am I missing something?

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

VIP costs $650 per hour.

What does this mean?

 

[guru1000]

The pitfall as I see it is that you build them up and give them self worth that maybe they didn't have before, then they take that worth and overvalue it and leave you behind to see what else they can get out of the world with it, which just makes you another chump paying their way through life, does it not?

When I was managing a retail chain I used to have a saying: When an employee finally becomes useful, they quit.

You have the mental gymnastics reversed.

Every girl wants to feel special. To take a woman and make her "feel" special, you create a soldier for life, for as long as you want her to be there. This applies even more so for 9s and 10s, who are often pumped and dumped as there is not much underneath the hood (in most cases) to keep high-value men interested long-term.

You need to get into their head. Most guys come here read a few tips/techniques and start negging women to inflate their own perceived value. When you are a high-value man, women's value naturally pale in comparison. You don't need to neg. They're already negged by being in your natural presence. This is what I refer to as the "God" frame. You don't need to overtly devalue women. They're already organically devalued in your and the frame. Instead, you get into their head by lifting them up and giving them "value."

 

[bigneil]

What does this mean?

Scam?

First, note I am a world leader in 3D graphics and work on camera technology and make $400,000 a year. I can deduct models. Sorry if you never dated any models and must think it's a scam.

Second, the "scam" is I photograph models and date the ones that love me.

Third, what does $650 per hour mean? It means if you think strippers posing for photos is the same as paying them for VIP it's not. The photo shoots are 13 times cheaper. Taking a girl to VIP for an hour costs approximately $650 ($300 an hour for her, + $100 tip, + $125 for the bottle service (required), cover, valet, waitress, bartender and bouncer tips).

Fourth, I got a stripper to quit stripping (and another to consider it) just in the last 2 months. If strippers are bad, isn't that proportionally good?

So if you go to a strip club and pick out the very hottest girls (I only find a girl that hot in 1 out of 4 trips usually), and get them to live out their fantasy of being a model, and it costs 93% less than their "scam" of VIP, how am I losing again?

So my scam is getting the hottest girls in the world to pose for $50 an hour.

Is that correct or am I missing something?

 

[bigneil]

You have the mental gymnastics reversed.

Every girl wants to feel special. To take a woman and make her "feel" special, you create a soldier for life, for as long as you want her to be there. This applies even more so for 9s and 10s, who are often pumped and dumped as there is not much underneath the hood (in most cases) to keep high-value men interested long-term.

You need to get into their head. Most guys come here read a few tips/techniques and start negging women to inflate their own perceived value. When you are a high-value man, women's value naturally pale in comparison. You don't need to neg. They're already negged by being in your natural presence. This is what I refer to as the "God" frame. You don't need to overtly devalue women. They're already organically devalued in your and the frame. Instead, you get into their head by lifting them up and giving them "value."

I just heard a relationship coach recommend not telling women they are beautiful. My last 2 scores (who rated 99), I told them they were beautiful the first time we spoke (without trying, it just happened). But it has to come naturally, such as you want to capture their beauty as an artist, or that she is the youngest beautiful girl you ever met.

 

[bigneil]

I just secured my second photo shoot for my new model tomorrow night. She promised to braid her hair.