"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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The HB# rating system...

slitherjef

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Should not be used. Why? Because I think its pointless and stupid. What do you people do? Carry around the equivalent of a macbeth chart ( http://www.pictureline.com/newsletter/2004/august/colorchart.html ) for women? You pull the chart out and see if the chick you are interested in matches the template for a HB9? And if she dont match the template, then eff it, she aint worth your time? Or if she has a 10 face but a 9 body you say well, she is a 9.5? Ridiculous

Why the phuck was this number system invented anyway, so you can call up your buddy and say you slept with a 10? Who cares? Seems to me this so called "HB# rating system" is just to brag. Stop the damn HB rating system. You want to rate a hot babe with a number? Hows about her phucking credit score? Its stupid.

The bottom line is:

If you think a girl is hot, then she is hot.... at least in your opinion! Does me knowing what your rating you gave her matter? Of course not! If I say your HB 9 is an 8? Is that going to keep you from thinking other wise? Of course not. The HB# system don't matter and don't impress me when you say you got a phone number from a 10. I DON'T GIVE A RATS ASS! You wanna know why? Because as far as can tell, that number rating you gave that girl is over inflated just to make your self feel better in front of the other guys. STOP PHUCKING BRAGGING!

Don't rate using numbers. DO RATE SUCH AS "Cute" or "Hot" or, "yeah, she was all right", Or "not attractive to me", Or even "ugly"

I know looking at numbers never got me hard, but looking at girls actualy did...

Im going to step off my soap box now and if you want to send me your disagreement's, thats fine... just flush em down your toilet :D
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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tick37

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It looks like you needed something to complain about. Anyway, your HB might not be a HB to me. So, don't sweat the small stuff.
 

slitherjef

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tick37 said:
It looks like you needed something to complain about. Anyway, your HB might not be a HB to me. So, don't sweat the small stuff.
Yeah, thats has been nagging me for a while. I just think using numbers is stupid
 

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The whole basis for much (if not most) of the stuff we discuss on here-how to treat particular women and what they will respond to- is completely dependent on her frame and how she's used to being treated.

Don't forget that. It's critical when it comes to determining certain parts of your strategy.

I won't engage you in a debate about how accurate the system is, as that part of your point is shared with me (even if a little redundant)... what I may see as a 10, you may see as an 8. Fair enough.

But the woman's collective treatment by AFCs or society at large, is what has shaped her attitude and outlook. Back to the previous example, whether she is exactly and 8 or 10 doesn't matter-what does matter is that most of us can agree is more or less considered attractive, and has endured approaches by AFCs, been gamed by players, etc-and has formed a series of opinions and responses due to the "majority" perception of her. The law is averages is what's important here, not the out-lying individual responses.

I think it's up to each guy to decide what portion of these varied strategies is applicable to individual woman, whether it be the use of this scale or other things. Just like there may not be constant agreement on the HB scale, some techniques are not appropriate for all women, and some techniques will backfire in situations which they seemed completely appropriate.

So-if your argument is that the scale is arbitrary to some extent, I won't debate it.

If your argument is that the "spirit" of this scale is baseless, useless, or only serves to brag-then I would say you are absolutely 100% wrong, and won't find much use or in value in a lot of what is written in this forum.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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lets keep in mind that the original poster is horrendously out of shape (he posted a pic before), so i think instead of talking about HB's looks, he should be working on HIMSELF
 

slitherjef

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Total Control said:
lets keep in mind that the original poster is horrendously out of shape (he posted a pic before), so i think instead of talking about HB's looks, he should be working on HIMSELF
what does that have to do with the rating system, oh and who are you?
 

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hes got a point. all that matters is this... do you want to fvck her or not? Who gives a **** what another man thinks. But the rating system helps to see who is pedestaling and who isn't.
 

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It's been around since man learnt to count on his fingers. 'Ug give She-Rok 8 fingers... Ug wouldn't kick her out of cave for getting mammoth juice in bed, hur hur'
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Mistic

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I'm about to make a post explaining the real detriment to this system.
 

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Never have any of my friends used the number system...a simple yes or no to f*ckin them would suffice....however, thats still subjective...So regardless of a "rating" system, the subjectivity is always an issue.
 

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Subjectivity is only an issue when you consider the subject, ie, the individual.

Once you get a group consensus with a large enough sample size, objectivity increases, and the number starts to mean something. Yes, you will have anomalies, you will have people who prefer different looks, but in general, a higher rating among a larger group means a more attractive woman.

Rating attractiveness is not completely subjective anyway. On the BBC's The Human Face documentary they found that people who were rated as attractive had generally the same facial proportions, regardless of race. They distilled it down into a formula, a "mask" that can be put on attractive faces and match:

http://www.beautyanalysis.com/mba_facevariationsbysex_page.htm

As well as this, other things to look for included symmetry, waist-to-hip ratio, similarity to parents, similarity to self:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/hottopics/love/attraction.shtml
 
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