"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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The Future of the Seduction Community

The Monolith

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I was scrolling through all the posts here today and it occured to me that in time all of this knowledge is probably going to become widely known. In fact it amazes me that most AFC guys have never googled this sort of information out. I am under the impression that most guys hold incorrect notions of what women find attractive (e.g. compliments, supplication) and rely mostly on looks or luck, infact most of my friends chastise me for doing anything remotely don juanish, seeing it as disrespectful. I partly attribute this to the depictions of men in popular culture, the terrible advice printed in popular men's magazines and the tendency to ask women for relationship advice, and in a way I am grateful for it as it means there's less competition.
What concerns me is that this could change very soon, the principles of the Bible, forum etc. aren't hard to grasp and this means that anyone with basic intelligence could potentially become a DJ. Media coverage of this is also increasing with more books, movies and television embodying the sosuave values.
Call me selfish but I think that if more guys get sick of the friendzone and this approach becomes the norm then we're all going back to square one as a new standard emerges. Perhaps there is nothing to worry about and the spread of this information will just result in a fairer distribution of women, I don't know. I would like to here some other people's opinions on this, or possible solutions.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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THE_ADDMAN

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definitely a good point
it will become more mainstream. fortunately, very few guys have the willpower to genuinely improve. if you look at forums, its really only a very small percent who "get it"
 

Francisco d'Anconia

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You could give this information to every man on the planet and I'd be surprised if a third would consistently use it. People will repeatedly do things which they are most comfortable and this information means taking a leap of faith for a lot of guys. Some guys will push past their comfort zone and will stick with it until they become successful, others will take a step and if they don't get an immediate payoff they'll get frustrated and revert back and then there will be those that will denounce it and won't even try. Why worry?
 

GatorBait

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Naw, I don't see everyone becoming a DJ at all.

AFCs and "nice guys" will still see this stuff and think, "No way that gets women, it's disrecpectful and goes against everything I've ever heard! Women don't like being made fun of!" And women will further bash this stuff and say it isn't the way to get in a woman's pants at all, but we all know that you "listen" to what a woman does, not what she says.

For every piece of DJ information that becomes mainstream, there are hundreds of TV shows, movies, and magazines that further perpetuate the AFC ways.
 

downlowpro

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if being a "don juan" were easy every guy would be one.

"pimpin aint easy!"

all this knowledge is only potential power...the power is in the doing.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Be masculine kid - just be masculine!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

tr0ublemaker

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I'm glad this Internet seduction "subculture" is pretty low-key to most people. God, if the majority of guys followed the material suggested on this site well, I'd get pissed..

I like looking at other guys knowing they don't have any DJ knowledge or an understanding of how to play the game..kind of ends a lot of competition..
 

Heyjose25points

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True that, I think it'd feel much greater getting women while being urself instead of constantly relying on routines...as an act. Juggler is great, especially his TV special "seduction school"
 

Mr. Unique

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Its like watching those bruce lee movies, It would be awesome to be able to kick any ones ass! but id rather eat a sandwich then learn martial arts.
 
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