"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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BxPrince24

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K, I've known the girl i've been trying to get with for a long time, but after a fight a year and a half a go, we started talking again. So i've chilled with her twice now. Kept her laughing, got the talking and the kino up. Now I'm wondering when and how I should drop the kiss in.

I was reading the speed seduction stuff in the DJB, i guess i could try that and see how it goes. but I had some other options in my head. I could:

1. Work on getting the kino up more to where I can put my hands in most of her guarded zones without any pullback. (I'm sure that I can do that now, I just haven't done it yet this time around) Isolate. Then pull out some palm reading and go for the kiss there.

2. I can take something of hers and make her try to get it back and steal a kiss while she tries to reach for it.

3. Or with the speed seduction thing, when I get to the part, telling her how I told my friend how to please his woman. While I'm telling her about it, I could use my hand or finger and guide it up and down her body as I'm telling the story. (ex.. when i'm talking about doing something to her neck, my hand/finger is making the same movements on her neck) Then when I get to the end of it, just close in for the kiss.

I already know that she has no problem with me being in her personal space and we've kissed and stuff in the past. So which one of these do you think would be best suited or better off to go with?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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GloriouslyInsane

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Play with her hair,if she lets you do this go for the kiss. - Credit to DD :D
 

Nighthawk

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Tease her until she hits you, tickle her back, then escalate into a kiss.
 

BxPrince24

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Thanks. Both great suggestions. I think I may go with Nighthawk's approach tho. It's fun, there's kino going on, and I guess an easy way to drop it.
 

Jariel

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My first suggestion - forget the speed seduction! It's a gimmick!

Women react better to actions than words, and I'm sure all the experienced posters here will back me up on this, but kino and eye contact are key! Like you mentioned in your first suggestion, build up the kino and see how she responds. Tap her on the arm when you speak, touch her hand, put your arm round her, and if she responds well, you are in there.

Another tip I'll give is to get close to her, face to face a few times throughout the day. If she steps back, she may not be ready, but if she stands her ground, she wants you to kiss her!

As for going in for the kiss, get close, hold eye contact and slowly and gently lift her chin with your hand or turn her face towards you while looking into her eyes. She will know you are going to kiss her and this will build the anticipation.

Never spring the first kiss on her unexpectedly! Also remember one important piece of advice: if she wants you to kiss her, she will make it easy for you!
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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