"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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The difference between call me and text me(disscussion)

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I know as men we shouldn't waste time figuring out how women think and we should just focus on having fun. However, my curiosity has driven me to wonder why some women say call me and some say text me. For example, you get a girls number and she happily tells you, however she says "text me" after telling you her number. Sometimes women say call me. From you guys' experience, what would you say drives women to say text me, or call and what each means. Just wondering, thanks
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Texting is way less intrusive and chicks prefer it more in my oppinion. I'm a huge texter I text like 7000 messages a month lol. I text tons of chicks I can hold convos all day long with like three chicks at a time haha. I also prefer it bc you can violate all the rules and get away with it.

Austin
 

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I see where your coming from. I agree to a certain point, texting can be done just about anytime of the day and actual calling seems to be too personal right of the bat. However, I feel that long texting convos can sometimes hurt your chances, some people would argue texting should be kept casual and only used as an aid for a bigger meet. But I could see texting working as catalyst to an eventual call. Texting can be a double edged sword and i suppose women use it to test you out first. Thanks for your input
 

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No problem. I can tell you that it is def a double edged sword. I have had good and bad results from it. But because of how much I do it, I have mastered it lol. I have said before that I even use "give me your # and I'll text you sometime" as a # grab and it works 100% of the time for me.

Austin
 

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GrimPhallic said:
Texting is way less intrusive and chicks prefer it more in my oppinion. I'm a huge texter I text like 7000 messages a month lol. I text tons of chicks I can hold convos all day long with like three chicks at a time haha. I also prefer it bc you can violate all the rules and get away with it.

Austin
Im down with texting but...7000 messages is a little much IMO.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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TEXTING IS THE 2009 VERSION OF CALL ME...........there are some key differences but you are OVE-THINKING the communication portion of this.

U got her info..........who cares if she says call or text..............yes I mentioned there are some key differences............blah blah blah.

Bottom line........call text, message in a bottle, get her thinking of you, responding to you, keep up the banter and then MAKE THAT DATE.

when U start to CSI every little thing about chics you begin to OVER-ANALYZE and ACTUALLY DECREASE your odds of success. RE-DIRECT YOUR MUCH NEEDED ATTENTION ON seducing the chic LIVE & IN PERSON.
 

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You summed it up well with text me being the 2009 version of call me. Besides that you re-instated what i already figured, bottom line you just have to get in her head/mind and interact and take it from there.

I just wanted to know about other peoples experiences with texting. My personal record is 6,000 texts in one month.

Thanks for your input COD
 

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Texting is easier in some ways than calling especially if you don't want people to hear what you are saying like if you are at work or have people around and you don't want to them to hear your business.

I just told a girl yesterday I won't text her, because it's girly. I said that becase she texts all the other dudes at work she likes, but I'm not into texting so much. I'll just tell her when and how I want to meet up with her and go from there.
 

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First of all thanks for your response. You brought attention to the potential elephant in the room. Do women sometimes use texting just so they can talk to a lot of guys at once? if so why compete for a women? Why let her call the shots like that? Once or twice ive felt like what you just said fertileturtle. However this does not discredit or mean i disagree with what the previous posts said. It all depends on the girl.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Conquer said:
Do women sometimes use texting just so they can talk to a lot of guys at once?
Sometimes?! Its more like the norm now a days. Between texting and facebook, women are now able to get immediate self gratification by getting attention none stop.

Conquer said:
if so why compete for a women? Why let her call the shots like that?
That's why you got to keep the texting much like conversations on the phone to a minimum. Keep those tools for a hookup (short and sweet) instead of doing what women do and using these tools for attention. The more you are available to text and talk the less value you hold in their eyes.
 

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Damn that was a good response. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks texting and online social networks are tools of gratification for women. It's almost like if we are letting them run things now. Whenever i text a girl i always try to keep it short, by saying i gotta go or some bull****. Like I learned on here, the attention we can give is our currency. Gotta spend it wisely. Good post.
 

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the way I think about it, i dunno if its right, is that I should text them a little but not too much... like start up a convo, let it go a little bit, then end it on your terms.... this is just to keep me in her mind, if I want a date I definitely like to call
 

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GrimPhallic said:
No problem. I can tell you that it is def a double edged sword. I have had good and bad results from it. But because of how much I do it, I have mastered it lol. I have said before that I even use "give me your # and I'll text you sometime" as a # grab and it works 100% of the time for me.

Austin
Me too, made an art out of it.
 

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Personally not a big fan of texting...i feel that it is very impersonal and reflects a low to moderate IL from the girl. If you were her ideal dream man she would answer on the first ring...

However, i do get more response from girls texting than i do with traditional phone calls, so I have more opportunity to run game overall.

I guess women, especially younger ones, feel more comfortable texting...so whatever...i'll get a playful and confident vibe going by inducing funny visualizations from my messages and hopefully open her up to a phone call or meet.

Like others said, it doesnt always work. She could be only texting you b/c she's not interested and doesnt want to blow you off over the phone.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I think where you live plays a huge role here as well. I live in Columbus, OH, its a pretty big city and is very up to date on technology and what not. Everyone including their parents text, true story. And I agree with:

jogel13 said:
the way I think about it, i dunno if its right, is that I should text them a little but not too much... like start up a convo, let it go a little bit, then end it on your terms.... this is just to keep me in her mind, if I want a date I definitely like to call
Works very well. Im a funny guy so I send funny ****, get em laughing, then leave em hanging on their last reply. Always make sure she is the last one to reply. The best is when you get naked pics from em. My record in one month is just two but I can usually get em to do this. This is a true art haha.

Austin
 

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Thanks for all the responses
 

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I agree with fairshake. We have moved from being able to communicate intimately to simply wanting to get as much attention as possible, hence twitter.
 

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There's no difference. If she wants you to talk to her, it doesn't matter whether it's textual or vocal.

Don't overt think the matter. If she wants action (interaction in this context), she's interested.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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