"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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The Day-Date, ever had it work for you?

ikkenai

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I'm a busy guy, and I've given some thought to taking girls out during the daytime. A drink in the afternoon, whatever. The the aptmosphere is completely different, isn't it? Not romantic enough, is it? Give me your experiences.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Luveno

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Ikkenai, the sarcastic poster:

I don't do day dates because I find that it causes the probability of a lay close to decrease.

Social stigma calls nighttime sex after a date "having sex", while afternoon sex a "morning quickie". One gives the connotations of a slvt, which women are programmed not to accept.

Its ok if you've already had sex with a girl. But if its pre-sex, its not that good of an idea.

But this is from a PUA, not a DJ-LTR guy.
 

I'm Joe Dirt

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Yeah, it all depends on your goals.

If you're with her to use her physically ONLY then night is your best bet, if you are trying to build a relationship then anytime works. I find lunch dates to be very laid back and relaxing.
 

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I agree. Lunch dates have a time constraint, as well as the vibe of something that you would be doing anyway regardless of whether or not she was there, versus something special that you are doing just for her - date awkwardness. I think this is in part why movies make for such bad dates - most people would not go to a movie alone.
 

ikkenai

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Well it's mostly to keep my schedule moving, I get a lot of girls and I can't find places in my evenings for each of them... working out, homework, etc.

I'm not down for the first-night lay, but I'd like to get as far as possible. I just haven't had much experience there, whereas I'm a pro at night-date.

What do you do on day-dates? Go for drinks? I don't like eating with girls, because I'm a bodybuilder and I eat like a marine at chow time.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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everywomanshero

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My greatest lay

My greatest lay was pulled off via a day date that preceeding the evening date.

We met for lunch. Had lunch. I walked her to her car and gave her a big hug for "too" long and asked her to meet me in the evening. She agreed. I laid her on the second meeting which was after work that night. There was a lot to it, but the relevant portion is that day dates can work, especially if you follow up with a night date that evening.

If you can't be free in the evening ask her over stating you'll make lunch, ask her to bring lunch, or claim you want to watch a movie with her. I've had luck with all of these but those weren't first meet fcloses that I remember offhand.
 

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day dates are prolly more for people my age because not a lot of people my age are allowed to stay as late...
 

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I always do lunch dates as a first date because if it is going poorly I can always think of an easy way to bail out and it's less stressful and also cheaper.
Second date I always do as a night date because of aformentioned reasons.
 

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Originally posted by upcomingDJ
day dates are prolly more for people my age because not a lot of people my age are allowed to stay as late...
or us older folks who go to sleep at 9 PM and get up at 5 AM during the week :)
 
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