The Dating Market Explained

[zekko]

I don't really like posting videos, but I thought this one was interesting.
It talks about why men have it tough in the dating market (seems mainly because of their preferences for younger women).

But wow, sounds like older women are the ones who really have it rough, they seem left out almost entirely. Being an older man myself, I do know older women who are dating (most are dating older men). But I also know older women who seem to have given up, or just have no interest in dating.

 

[Manure Spherian]

I don't really like posting videos, but I thought this one was interesting.
It talks about why men have it tough in the dating market (seems mainly because of their preferences for younger women).

But wow, sounds like older women are the ones who really have it rough, they seem left out almost entirely. Being an older man myself, I do know older women who are dating (most are dating older men). But I also know older women who seem to have given up, or just have no interest in dating.

Mating and dating is a young person’s game. That we are at a point in which there is so much discourse amongst people over 25 is a bad sign.

 

[plumber]

its the same for men and women. we/they want better. we chase the same women or wish to be chased by them... the women chase the same men or wish to be chased by them. 80/20 or 90/10... we spend time trying to be in the 10% if we can, at the same time complain much that women are also looking for the top 10%.

we all understand it. the issue is if we are willing to do the work; and it is not usually easy. women SMV is far more tied to physical looks and vibe then men. men have perceived value from non looks such as money and status. women its pretty much just looks and vibe. with age for women being a huge part of looks. age for men is not AS important for looks although it also is a factor but with different scale and curve.

an ugly old women has no chance. thus needs charity. an ugly old man can offset with money and or status and do well. if an ugly old man with no money and no status then no chance also.

both men and women spend a huge amount of focus on trying to get into the 10%. for example makeup on women... huge business. men try to learn game to act like makeup. make it appear to be in the 10%... issue is that its always relative. this class is graded on a curve not absolute. in perspective most of you/us would be considered very wealthy in the distant past and therefore in the 10%... unfortunately others also have leveled up so the 10% is more difficult to enter. same for women, the 10% is getting more focused and competitive. with social media we can see a larger view causing outliners to drop off and require real 10% status. or maybe 5 or 1 %....

we can not all be in the 10%. math does not work. so.... what to do about that ??

when you say old women have no interest... it usually means they have no interest if the target is not in the 10%. most of the old men are not even close to the 10%....

 

[Gamisch]

its the same for men and women. we/they want better. we chase the same women or wish to be chased by them... the women chase the same men or wish to be chased by them. 80/20 or 90/10... we spend time trying to be in the 10% if we can, at the same time complain much that women are also looking for the top 10%.

we all understand it. the issue is if we are willing to do the work; and it is not usually easy. women SMV is far more tied to physical looks and vibe then men. men have perceived value from non looks such as money and status. women its pretty much just looks and vibe. with age for women being a huge part of looks. age for men is not AS important for looks although it also is a factor but with different scale and curve.

an ugly old women has no chance. thus needs charity. an ugly old man can offset with money and or status and do well. if an ugly old man with no money and no status then no chance also.

both men and women spend a huge amount of focus on trying to get into the 10%. for example makeup on women... huge business. men try to learn game to act like makeup. make it appear to be in the 10%... issue is that its always relative. this class is graded on a curve not absolute. in perspective most of you/us would be considered very wealthy in the distant past and therefore in the 10%... unfortunately others also have leveled up so the 10% is more difficult to enter. same for women, the 10% is getting more focused and competitive. with social media we can see a larger view causing outliners to drop off and require real 10% status. or maybe 5 or 1 %....

we can not all be in the 10%. math does not work. so.... what to do about that ??

when you say old women have no interest... it usually means they have no interest if the target is not in the 10%. most of the old men are not even close to the 10%....

One thing tho..

The amount of fat ugly women who have kids and / or cohabiting, having LTRs is staggering.

As long as "it" has a Vgg, there will be some man willing to wife it up.

Something that men can't claim. On the flip side, I see tons and tons of men with actually good paying jobs and cash on the bank being perpetually alone( not the fancy "single" but the sad "alone") asking to incel-dom . Women nowadays dont necessarily care about money, unless its almost F you money. Women care about feelings.

Matter of fact; imo one of the biggest issues men have in dating is that most men hold out living life, believing that "one sweet day " life will reward them for being a good boy who made his homework while staying out of trouble. Makes sense, because every man older than 25 might have parents and especially grand parents who stayed together for many ,many years even if the man had s mimple job title.

These generations of men feel bamboozled by life and by love; a decent paying job that can carry a single man easily won't impress these ladies anymore..

 

[zekko]

we can not all be in the 10%. math does not work.

So true. But if you watch the video, you will notice that it isn't only the top 10% who date or get into relationships. A lot of people do end up pairing off, and then there is a smaller group that is promiscuous with each other. This much more matches the reality that I observe than the PUA idea about only the top 10% guys ever get laid. As some in the video comment section said, the 10% idea is about attraction, not actual dating. Girls do want the top 10% guys, but they will settle lower because the top guy has other options and won't commit. I remember a guy telling me when I was younger that life was about compromises, there's a lot of truth in that.

The thing is, guys want the top 10% girls too (and most of these are the younger girls), but are willing to settle lower than girls, because men will still find the average girl attractive, whereas girls don't find the average guy attractive. A lot of the time they can warm up to him though - maybe that's why it takes women longer to fall in love, so they can figure out how to see the guy as attractive lol. If the guy doesn't find the average girl attractive, maybe he will when she takes her clothes off. For a lot of guys, as long as she has the proper parts, it counts for a good deal.

 

[plumber]

One thing tho..

The amount of fat ugly women who have kids and / or cohabiting, having LTRs is staggering.

As long as "it" has a Vgg, there will be some man willing to wife it up.

Something that men can't claim. On the flip side, I see tons and tons of men with actually good paying jobs and cash on the bank being perpetually alone( not the fancy "single" but the sad "alone") asking to incel-dom . Women nowadays dont necessarily care about money, unless its almost F you money. Women care about feelings.

Matter of fact; imo one of the biggest issues men have in dating is that most men hold out living life, believing that "one sweet day " life will reward them for being a good boy who made his homework while staying out of trouble. Makes sense, because every man older than 25 might have parents and especially grand parents who stayed together for many ,many years even if the man had s mimple job title.

These generations of men feel bamboozled by life and by love; a decent paying job that can carry a single man easily won't impress these ladies anymore..

you get what you negotiate. survival of the fittest. law of the jungle. these three things answer most confusion.

 

[BaronOfHair]

@zekko "But wow, sounds like older women are the ones who really have it rough, they seem left out almost entirely"

My admittedly anecdotal observation: Quite a fewer "older"* women lust for "high status" men in their own age bracket or younger, even though such men(mostly) desire THEM less than Key Westians crave snow in the middle of f-king June


*I've encountered quite a few women in their mid-late 30s who say they want husbands and kids, yet remain genuinely perplexed by fellas this age mostly going for 20something girls, refusing to go any lower than 32. Suspect that the occasional Charlize Theron, or/and the sight of Aubrey Plaza snagging a hunk like Chris Abbot + Entering motherhood at 41 has duped many run of the mill 6s-0s(Unlike Theron and Plaza, they CANNOT easily pass for two decades younger)that they too can do likewise

Same way hip hop and MGTOW convinced entirely too many lads that they too can speak and behave like ghetto filth and wh-te t-a-h, and not end up ostracized by civilization