The Cube Game - Anyone here use it?

[Crissco]

Known about it for years, but recently started reading more about it. Has any one used it with success?



****Ive used the 5 question game for the hell of it and it worked great for me.

 

[Scars]

Never heard of it.

Explain?

-Scars

 

[Crissco]

I really dont PUA games in general but some of them are good to build up attraction and just have fun with it. like the 5 question game that I use.

Got 3 girls with it good. Works like a charm for me.

http://www.seductiontuition.com/neil-strauss/5-questions-game.html


The cube.

http://www.seductiontuition.com/organic/the-cube.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cube_(game)

 

[Scars]

I really dont PUA games in general but some of them are good to build up attraction and just have fun with it. like the 5 question game that I use.

Got 3 girls with it good. Works like a charm for me.

http://www.seductiontuition.com/neil-strauss/5-questions-game.html


The cube.

http://www.seductiontuition.com/organic/the-cube.html

Glanced through the link, didn't really read it all because it seems kind of cheesy.. BUT, I've actually been doing sh!t like that naturally through most of my PUA years using astrology what not, and yes, it has worked very well for me. Pretty much anything metaphysical /paranormal /stars aligning bullsh!t / or gives a woman the opportunity to talk about herself, or ends with you completely complimenting the sh!t out of her (which is all astrology really does..), women eat it up.

-Scars

 

[Crissco]

Glanced through the link, didn't really read it all because it seems kind of cheesy.. BUT, I've actually been doing sh!t like that naturally through most of my PUA years using astrology what not, and yes, it has worked very well for me. Pretty much anything metaphysical /paranormal /stars aligning bullsh!t / or gives a woman the opportunity to talk about herself, or ends with you completely complimenting the sh!t out of her (which is all astrology really does..), women eat it up.

-Scars

Thats why im asking I thought the same thing about it. The 5 question game works great for me, but I want something to build more rapport and "create" more of an attraction.

I always get asked what my sign is by tons of women. I know my Dad used to use the cube and worked well for him.

Im going to try to memorize it and give it a shot one of these days as another tool in my arsenal.

 

[Crissco]

Reading through it more. I want to master this to a T...Only problem is when durring the game should I kino...I was thinking thought the whole game....?

 

[Scars]

Thats why im asking I thought the same thing about it. The 5 question game works great for me, but I want something to build more rapport and "create" more of an attraction.

I always get asked what my sign is by tons of women. I know my Dad used to use the cube and worked well for him.

Im going to try to memorize it and give it a shot one of these days as another tool in my arsenal.

It wouldn't hurt man, rapport is always good.

This may be slightly off topic, but it's a follow up to my previous post, and a story I'd like to share.

I've actually mentioned using astrology trickery in quite a few posts. Some men agree with it, others don't. If you follow most of my posts then you'll see I am highly against the white knight/morality DJ concept, and I have no remorse about lying/cheating in order to get laid. Anyways, that's kind of irrelevant as well, but I want to explain how I got into astrology, why I learned it, how I learned, and how I have advanced this "trickery" even further.

I once met this girl, she was a friend of my friend (but she was from another state). My friend spoke very highly of her, but would always throw around the word "interesting" or say things like "she's a character..", which after I met her, learned to be very true.

The topic of astrology got brought up and she began to speak on it very knowledgeably. Me, being a skeptic, asked her to "read me". She asked me a few basic questions and then guessed my sign, without me telling her. Kind of shocked, she asks me a few more questions, and then proceeds to tell me about myself. Everything sounded right (and mind you, not ALL of it was compliments either), then it started getting really personal. She started nailing certain things down to a tee, to the point where it was scary. She started asking me more questions and then said "let's see... this and that star was here.. and this that and that was like this... blah blah" and then sh!t got really scary. She started bringing up things in my past, my attitude, home/personal life, and things that I have NEVER shared with anyone, and here, this girl I had JUST MET was giving all my secrets away with an audience around (mind you). It got to the point where I was so freaked out that I had to stop her. I never knew astrology could be that in depth, so I wanted to learn more about it. I bought a couple books, and then read and researched for hours on end on the subject, actually obtaining a great deal about the subject.

This woman scared me. I've never been that intimidated by a woman ever in my life. My logical mind wanted to tell me she was lucky, this that and the other thing.. but another part of me wanted to believe she was "magical" or "special". I watched her read some other people, and realized how amazing she was with words. Her trickery was flawless. She played to people's emotions, and told them what they wanted to hear (yet, also outlined their deepest and darkest flaws, which you can tell was hitting a nerve with everyone.) It got to a point where people spectating "didn't want to get read anymore". But what amazed me is how she used her words. For example, there was a girl there that I had just met who struck me as shy. She said very little, and was that way the whole time I saw her. When she got read, she said things like "oh you're <this sign>?! why aren't you being all talkative and energetic right now?". Now think about this for a moment. You may have known shy people in your life, but every shy person has a wild/crazy side if put in a room with just their friends or people they trust. But she didn't say "it takes awhile for you to warm up to people, but when you do, you can be fun/charismatic etc.. etc.." No. She chose her words very carefully and played on her emotions, which I later now find as brilliant.

Anyway. Truth was (it took me about 2 years before she would admit this to me(i used to keep in touch with her on FB/text).. I was that fascinated with her. Not on a sexual/romantic level, I never once tried to hook up with her, and she was slightly too chunky for me..) that it wasn't astrology at all. It was PSYCHOLOGY. Identifying inverts/extroverts sounds like common sense right? This girl took it to a whole new level. There are many substrates between the two and she could identify them all. It's not hoccus poccus either, this girl knew mental and psychological science that has been PROVEN to be true. She could identify personality disorders (which was my case), through basic questions about your living environment and a few questions about your parents she could figure out your whole life story. She knew which people to overdose with compliments (narcissists for example), she knew which people wanted to hear her say "your life has been rough, but you're an independent and strong willed person.. etc..". She was an expert at body language/intuition. If she said something and she knew she hurt an emotional nerve with it, she would dig deeper. She was definitely a people pleaser, but could also read people very well. Like I said, not everything she said was compliments, she got down and dirty with not just me, but everyone else I witnessed. I should had known better that it wasn't astrology at all, but now it makes sense. However, having learned basic astrology I have now adapted her manipulative secrets. Using psychology in the disguise of astrology is fvcking brilliant I think. Now, I can give compliments (or rather, say what they want to hear that puts them in the frame of what they WANT me to think about them, if that makes sense...) and have them get those feel-good emotions. But I'm not validating anything she says personally, or showering her with compliments because it's what the STARS say about her, not me. I'm simply the messenger. Yet, the simple fact of me feeding her this information is enough to send her emotional level sky high. She feels good, she feels confident. She feels like I believe she is the person she is portraying herself to be to me, so everything "feels right", and the sex is so easy.

I still remember this girl, and I've only personally met her 3 times. I think she is brilliant. Who would of thought I could learn a pick-up move from a woman. Crazy right? My actually opinions on her is that she is a sociopath, and what a brilliant way to make people trust you, be afraid of you, spite you, or simply even just toying with you. The power is in her hands, she decides. The best manipulator I have ever met in my life. Hands down.

-Scars

 

[Crissco]

One thing I noticed that was, most girls who are into physiology/astrology are looking for themselves, because they are 1..insecure about themselves so they need to turn to an outside source..2 a bit over weight, dunno how this correlates but it seems to be a pattern, and 3. A bit crazy in the head.


I can see the cube working on tons of girls but for some reason the more emotionally messed up they are the better it will work.

 

[Scars]

One thing I noticed that was, most girls who are into physiology/astrology are looking for themselves, because they are 1..insecure about themselves so they need to turn to an outside source..2 a bit over weight, dunno how this correlates but it seems to be a pattern, and 3. A bit crazy in the head.


I can see the cube working on tons of girls but for some reason the more emotionally messed up they are the better it will work.

Precisely.

All this garbage works best on insecure people.

I'm not going to lie, I am a bit insecure at times. I did the whole "fake it until you make it approach", but I still feel like I will never actually "make it". I take pride in the fact that I have slept with 33 different women, at only 21 years old, but I am also self-aware and man enough to realize that it's only to feed my ego. I love knowledge, I love trickery, I love psychology, and I love pick-up. I have learned enough and adapted it into my life to see results. Many, if you will. Realizing women are emotionally driven made my laid count sky-rocket. I'm not going to claim all of them were quality women either. They were also insecure and fell victim to my manipulation. It's one of the biggest arguments I have against the white knights. That I sleep with garbage women. Maybe I do. So what? They're still hott, and they know how to fvck and suck a mean d!ck. I don't care if they have daddy issues. I will take advantage of it. Truth is, fellow white knights, that pretty much all women are garbage. Good luck trying to find any women who isn't some sort of fvcked up. It's just the times we live in. If you keep waiting around trying to find "the one" or a good decent "quality" girl you will never get laid.

It's pretty easy to spot the success of people on here. Guys with the "trying to find the quality" women mindset, or telling people like me "you just haven't found the right girl" are the guys who aren't getting laid and have very little experience. Either that, or they are currently in a relationship and the meer though of me leading them to believe their highness isn't the angel he thinks she is threatens the fvck out of them. Date enough girls, and go around the block a few times, and then the ugly truth will slap you hard across the face. But most guys here won't even get that far, because they can't even ask a girl out.

-Scars

 

[Crissco]

Precisely.

All this garbage works best on insecure people.

I'm not going to lie, I am a bit insecure at times. I did the whole "fake it until you make it approach", but I still feel like I will never actually "make it". I take pride in the fact that I have slept with 33 different women, at only 21 years old, but I am also self-aware and man enough to realize that it's only to feed my ego. I love knowledge, I love trickery, I love psychology, and I love pick-up. I have learned enough and adapted it into my life to see results. Many, if you will. Realizing women are emotionally driven made my laid count sky-rocket. I'm not going to claim all of them were quality women either. They were also insecure and fell victim to my manipulation. It's one of the biggest arguments I have against the white knights. That I sleep with garbage women. Maybe I do. So what? They're still hott, and they know how to fvck and suck a mean d!ck. I don't care if they have daddy issues. I will take advantage of it. Truth is, fellow white knights, that pretty much all women are garbage. Good luck trying to find any women who isn't some sort of fvcked up. It's just the times we live in. If you keep waiting around trying to find "the one" or a good decent "quality" girl you will never get laid.

It's pretty easy to spot the success of people on here. Guys with the "trying to find the quality" women mindset, or telling people like me "you just haven't found the right girl" are the guys who aren't getting laid and have very little experience. Either that, or they are currently in a relationship and the meer though of me leading them to believe their highness isn't the angel he thinks she is threatens the fvck out of them. Date enough girls, and go around the block a few times, and then the ugly truth will slap you hard across the face. But most guys here won't even get that far, because they can't even ask a girl out.

-Scars

Everything I bolded. Pinned my personality and me, to a fuc*ing T bro.

Everything else I second. You can spot it from a mile away.

 

[Scars]

My theory is, most guys on this site ARE this way. You don't just stumble across a dating/seduction website unless you are currently having trouble with women or at least some level insecure with your inability to get female attention. That's why the people who come in here and claim to be so confident/high and mighty make me laugh. The white knights even more so. Seduction is all about trickery. Why is there a moral compass on what is right and wrong within the community? Whether it's utilizing C+F or lying to a girl that you make more money than you actually do.. it's all tricks. Women lie to us every single day. They're always looking for "the next best thing" and will drop you in a heartbeat without any remorse or sympathy. They are emotional, and just do whatever "feels" right, even if it means completely destroying your life and self-worth. Gotta love these white knights man. They're oh so sensitive. I thought reacting out of emotion was something only women did. I guess not.

-Scars

 

[Crissco]

My theory is, most guys on this site ARE this way. You don't just stumble across a dating/seduction website unless you are currently having trouble with women or at least some level insecure with your inability to get female attention. That's why the people who come in here and claim to be so confident/high and mighty make me laugh. The white knights even more so. Seduction is all about trickery. Why is there a moral compass on what is right and wrong within the community? Whether it's utilizing C+F or lying to a girl that you make more money than you actually do.. it's all tricks. Women lie to us every single day. They're always looking for "the next best thing" and will drop you in a heartbeat without any remorse or sympathy. They are emotional, and just do whatever "feels" right, even if it means completely destroying your life and self-worth. Gotta love these white knights man. They're oh so sensitive. I thought reacting out of emotion was something only women did. I guess not.

-Scars

Acting out of emotion goes both ways, whether a guy or a girl. I know a lot of guys who act out of emotion, my dad for example.

Ive know for a long time that seduction is really just manipulation tactics, that's why my main source of books now are physiology, NLP, and manipulation books that I try to memorize. Im guilty of saying in the same way when it comes to the next best thing. I wouldn't say ide drop her in a heartbeat but i would ween her off of me then go on to the next girl.

Right and wrong has to do with the individual. Nothing else. Is speeding wrong? Yes and no. If someone I loved was on there death bed and I had to speed there, you sure as hell know ide put of a big fight to prove my point. But if i was going 60 on a side street on a normal day, I think thats wrong.

I quote I read and i laughed at it "Women can fake an orgasm, men can fake a whole relashionship"

Couldn't agree more with it. And yea a lot of women do the same thing to "keep them around" for satisfaction reasons. But the same with men, I would keep a girl around for my own selfishness, my own ego boost. Then dump her and find another girl. Doesnt mean I dont care about that person, unless they truely did something to hurt me, bc i cared about every girl ive been with, in my own way, but when push comes to shove always do whats best for the individual.

 

[Scars]

Acting out of emotion goes both ways, whether a guy or a girl. I know a lot of guys who act out of emotion, my dad for example.

Ive know for a long time that seduction is really just manipulation tactics, that's why my main source of books now are physiology, NLP, and manipulation books that I try to memorize. Im guilty of saying in the same way when it comes to the next best thing. I wouldn't say ide drop her in a heartbeat but i would ween her off of me then go on to the next girl.

Right and wrong has to do with the individual. Nothing else. Is speeding wrong? Yes and no. If someone I loved was on there death bed and I had to speed there, you sure as hell know ide put of a big fight to prove my point. But if i was going 60 on a side street on a normal day, I think thats wrong.

I quote I read and i laughed at it "Women can fake an orgasm, men can fake a whole relashionship"

Couldn't agree more with it. And yea a lot of women do the same thing to "keep them around" for satisfaction reasons. But the same with men, I would keep a girl around for my own selfishness, my own ego boost. Then dump her and find another girl. Doesnt mean I dont care about that person, unless they truely did something to hurt me, bc i cared about every girl ive been with, in my own way, but when push comes to shove always do whats best for the individual.

Good to hear this man. You got the right mindset. Completely. It isn't selfishness, you're just playing the exact same game that women do. Although, it shouldn't really be considered a "game". We should all do what's best for our own self interest, and nothing more. It's biologically programmed into all of us, to do otherwise is unnatural.

It's good to see young people finally opening their eyes.

One of the things I hate the most about this site is people over reading what I say because of my age. Or making comments about it, and telling me I have no experience. I've gotten heat from posting in the "mature man" forum several times, and that I have no REAL life experience. They can believe what they want. Maybe I haven't been around as long as other members here, but I actually LEARN from my mistakes. Which is one of the best tools a PUA could ever have in his arsenal. I'm not going to say I never make the same mistakes twice, because I do. But it's generally a "god dammnit, I should had known this.." kind of thing. There's some guys here who are twice our age and completely fvcking clueless man. I feel for these guys, and all the white knights. But at the same time, they are stupid. And only REAL experience will fix them out of this mindset. Like I said. Date enough girls, and go around the block a few times and you will learn things. Not only that, but learn from other peoples mistakes. I've never been married, but you might see me at times speak on the subject, and very so against it. After watching my family fail, hearing countless other stories, reading all the debauchery stories in the mature man forum, and also working with people who are twice my age for several years now, learning about them, their stories and almost all of them being divorced, I take in everything they have to say. I think part of the reason why I am so successful is learning who to listen and who not to listen to. I've been blessed to encounter people in my life who have been through some sh!t, and have dropped some amazing knowledge on me. Guys who "got it", or rather "learned things the hard way". I don't just ignore my peers, because they do have a lot of wisdom to share, but in regards to dating/women it is completely different. A guy twice our age could try and give me advice that is complete garbage. I just nod my head and act like I agree with them. Ask most 40+ men these days about their marriage and most of them will say "don't even get married". It's the same mindset my dad reinforced in me as a young child as well, and I think him deeply for it. Forget all this oneitis love BS and do what's natural. You wanna fvck. Keep your options open. If you wanna feel loved, ok that's cool, find some girls to feed your narcissistic supply, but don't fall victim to the disney/fairy tale BS that corporate america/society is trying to feed you. It doesn't exist.

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-Scars

 

[Crissco]

One piece of advice i could give you is dont try and grow up to quick. Believe me on this one, I did the exact same thing when I was younger(And i mean even at 10,11 years old) is act your age, go out, have fun, fu*k, meet new people..etc...But im sure you know that already, its just the way I took what you said.

I do play a womens "game" against them at times, but I also add in my own little flavor to spice it up a bit. Not gonna lie, its fun, knowing im good at it. The best part is ,half of them have no idea what im doing.

I had a convo with my ex about manipulative girls(Got jealous over one of my "friends" she knows about), shes goes my friends always try to manipulate guys at the clubs..yada..yada..ive seen it!! She goes uve never played that game before!! I couldn't help but laugh, she has no clue who shes dealing with. Glad I got her out of my life. But different story, different time.

Learning from your mistakes is the best thing you can do. It may take some trys but for every failure comes a success and openers doors to a new opportunity.


Ive noticed the same sh*t with alot of older people. Some of them give great advice, while 99% of them just talk there ear off about bull*hit I already know. Its like, it took you to 50 to realize this when im 24 and known this for a couple of years. Our generation is def full of overthinkers. Thats one of the reasons why half of them are lazy.



Oh btw...I got some toys.. from toys R us, its right u your alley young man!! LOL Just messin wit you bro

Good to hear this man. You got the right mindset. Completely. It isn't selfishness, you're just playing the exact same game that women do. Although, it shouldn't really be considered a "game". We should all do what's best for our own self interest, and nothing more. It's biologically programmed into all of us, to do otherwise is unnatural.

It's good to see young people finally opening their eyes.

One of the things I hate the most about this site is people over reading what I say because of my age. Or making comments about it, and telling me I have no experience. I've gotten heat from posting in the "mature man" forum several times, and that I have no REAL life experience. They can believe what they want. Maybe I haven't been around as long as other members here, but I actually LEARN from my mistakes. Which is one of the best tools a PUA could ever have in his arsenal. I'm not going to say I never make the same mistakes twice, because I do. But it's generally a "god dammnit, I should had known this.." kind of thing. There's some guys here who are twice our age and completely fvcking clueless man. I feel for these guys, and all the white knights. But at the same time, they are stupid. And only REAL experience will fix them out of this mindset. Like I said. Date enough girls, and go around the block a few times and you will learn things. Not only that, but learn from other peoples mistakes. I've never been married, but you might see me at times speak on the subject, and very so against it. After watching my family fail, hearing countless other stories, reading all the debauchery stories in the mature man forum, and also working with people who are twice my age for several years now, learning about them, their stories and almost all of them being divorced, I take in everything they have to say. I think part of the reason why I am so successful is learning who to listen and who not to listen to. I've been blessed to encounter people in my life who have been through some sh!t, and have dropped some amazing knowledge on me. Guys who "got it", or rather "learned things the hard way". I don't just ignore my peers, because they do have a lot of wisdom to share, but in regards to dating/women it is completely different. A guy twice our age could try and give me advice that is complete garbage. I just nod my head and act like I agree with them. Ask most 40+ men these days about their marriage and most of them will say "don't even get married". It's the same mindset my dad reinforced in me as a young child as well, and I think him deeply for it. Forget all this oneitis love BS and do what's natural. You wanna fvck. Keep your options open. If you wanna feel loved, ok that's cool, find some girls to feed your narcissistic supply, but don't fall victim to the disney/fairy tale BS that corporate america/society is trying to feed you. It doesn't exist.

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-Scars

 

[Rubato]

@Scars or Crissco

I totally agree with everything you guys have been saying in this thread... I think it's one of the best I've read in a while and am glad I saw it because I tend to get flamed whenever I express any ideas that go against the grain of the "white knight" DJ guy you are talking about. If this wasn't about outside of ourselves, no one would be here because they'd already have it and this would be irrelevant! Since I got in to this "community", I've concentrated my efforts strictly on day game, probably as an excuse to play the game against less competition. After analyzing myself and considering how I work, my friends work, and what all the psychology stuff I was reading said, I began to develop a mindset similar to what Scars was articulating.... but I didn't see it come out much in the day. This really lowered my impression of women even more because I not only thought they were self centered, not loyal, and manipulative, but I also realized they have either convinced themselves that they are not, or just pretend like they're not.

Not so at the bar and at the club. I am glad I started working on my night game because I think that's when a woman really let's you see what she has the potential to become. IMO, there is no way to effectively deal with a creature like that (who is already using ethically comparable tactics of disrespect, manipulation, and impoliteness against you) as a "white knight". What the h#ll are you going to do? Save her from herself? Use your special DJ/James Bond body language and eye contact to disarm her and make her start orgasming right there because you just look so alpha and confident?

No. (Note, I do think that the DJ stuff has a place somewhere.... it works a lot better for me during the day)

So guys, my questions for you are a few things. First, what psychology, NLP, ect. books have you read or are you reading that you really got a lot out of and helped you?

How did you guys get better at this? I don't have anyone in my life who is any good with women I can model or seek advice from, and that's precisely why I've come here and spent literally weeks pouring through "PUA literature" and watching all those d#mn seminar DVDs. My family is a very tight knit conservative Christian thing, which is fine. My dad is actually a very great and wise man in all areas of life, EXCEPT women and I really believe its because of his religious and spiritual views. He's done some things that have really screwed me up with women and stifled my sexual side (like, literally totally grounding for 1 month from EVERYTHING when I was in 5th grade because he found out I looked at a naked girl on the internet... he spent that month classically conditioning me to feel terrible about that. That's one of many examples). I've overcome a lot of those things as best as I've been able to do, and it's been hard. 3 years ago I was seeing a councilor and telling the guy I didn't even know how to make or start conversations with people I was sitting next to in class. Now I'm councilor free start conversations with strange women just about on a daily basis. Thanks for that goes to Deangelo and Anthony Robbins.

So what did you guys do to get better? I've been going out at least 1 night every week with my wing and just approaching women. Sarging basically. I can't really do any more than that because of my college schedule. Sometimes I use routine stacks. Sometimes I don't. Guys on here have told me that based on my field reports, I'm way too much in my head about this stuff. Let me give you an example of Rubato in his head and Rubato not in his head:

In his head - making conversation, possibly vibing with the girl

Out of his head - well... sh't.... I don't really have anything to say.

I am not naturally Mr. Social. If I was, I probably wouldn't be here. So what do you two think, is it really that big of a deal for me to want a model in my mind of how the interaction works on a fundamental psychological level? There are some guys that can manipulate you a girl with daddy issues because they can just intuitively do it. I can't. But I can if I read or someone tells me what a daddy issue is, how to spot it, and how to exploit it. Yes? No?

Finally,

How did you guys develop your sexual identity? That is the biggest thing, I think, that's been hindering me. My parents spent so much of my life giving me this BS contradictory message since I was a little little kid that sex is terrible and awful, but somehow it's not when you get married. But you shouldn't think about that, because it's bad right now. WTF? I've gotten the wardrobe part down. I dress very stylishly/sexy and am told so by a number of girls and homosexual men on a regular basis. My attitudes don't match my appearance though, and it's taking a toll on my game. Maybe you two just figured it out naturally b/c you didn't have parents that spent most of your childhood telling you sex was bad and would send you to hell. Do you have any advice here?

I realize this is long and if either of you get around to reading it enough to give me any feedback, I will be very appreciative. And as always (I've told this to Scars before) but to you too crissco, as a med student, professional musician, and 2-time business founder (successful businesses), if there is any advice I can ever give to you about anything or something I can do to help you, please ask

 

[Zarky]

I've found that the cube is more fun and interesting in groups than one on one. Though I haven't used it since about 2002.

 

[Crissco]

No matter what people say. You have to do what works for you bro.

You can pick up basic NLP books on Amazon. Basic physcology books and so forth. Pick one you think youde like the best an expand from there once you grasp the concept.

What I did to get better was "just do it" I kept putting in my head no what happens it will be a success whether I fail with the girl or not, because in my mind just the fact of trying was good enough for me, and that was my success.. Then as time goes on you want more, read more, learn more, practice more no matter where you are. Now its just second nature, see a hot girl, boom, start up conversation, and so forth.

The situation with your parents in difficult but you have to get it out of your head. My mom told me certian things that I did aggree with, then i realize she was just being a mother/women, and doesnt mean i have to aggree with it and i blocked it out of my head and did my own thing. With my father hes a lot like me, picks up girls, bring them back, dates...etc...

I think your best bet is to get out on your own(if ur not already) and start a fresh clean slate with your own beliefs.

Instead of going out one night a week, make it two, then three..Dont sacrifice medical school for girls but try to make it priority to go out more often. Even if its something as simple as walking down the street, you see a cutie, strike up the conversation.

Developing sexual indendity was a little tough for me because i always cared what people thought about me and thought girls would not be receptive to me because of my aggressive nature. Was i wrong. I used my mind to control my desires and let then "unleash" at the right moment. Now I know when to get sexual, when to kino...etc...Things like this become second nature after a while. You have to keep on approaching and try different things. Try being overly sexual on purpose and see where it gets you, and when you do that look at her body language and think throughout the convo when her sexuality was at its peak, then approach again, less sexual, add a little in..push/pull type of momentum. I dont really know how else to explain it, its more just experimenting on what works best.

Think about it this way also. 3 years ago you couldn't strike up a conversation with anyone, 3 years later you were a completely changed person. Imagine 3 years down the road, or even 1. How much more strides you are going to make in life!! I look forward to that sh*t and cant wait to see what curve balls life throws at me!

@Scars or Crissco

I totally agree with everything you guys have been saying in this thread... I think it's one of the best I've read in a while and am glad I saw it because I tend to get flamed whenever I express any ideas that go against the grain of the "white knight" DJ guy you are talking about. If this wasn't about outside of ourselves, no one would be here because they'd already have it and this would be irrelevant! Since I got in to this "community", I've concentrated my efforts strictly on day game, probably as an excuse to play the game against less competition. After analyzing myself and considering how I work, my friends work, and what all the psychology stuff I was reading said, I began to develop a mindset similar to what Scars was articulating.... but I didn't see it come out much in the day. This really lowered my impression of women even more because I not only thought they were self centered, not loyal, and manipulative, but I also realized they have either convinced themselves that they are not, or just pretend like they're not.

Not so at the bar and at the club. I am glad I started working on my night game because I think that's when a woman really let's you see what she has the potential to become. IMO, there is no way to effectively deal with a creature like that (who is already using ethically comparable tactics of disrespect, manipulation, and impoliteness against you) as a "white knight". What the h#ll are you going to do? Save her from herself? Use your special DJ/James Bond body language and eye contact to disarm her and make her start orgasming right there because you just look so alpha and confident?

No. (Note, I do think that the DJ stuff has a place somewhere.... it works a lot better for me during the day)

So guys, my questions for you are a few things. First, what psychology, NLP, ect. books have you read or are you reading that you really got a lot out of and helped you?

How did you guys get better at this? I don't have anyone in my life who is any good with women I can model or seek advice from, and that's precisely why I've come here and spent literally weeks pouring through "PUA literature" and watching all those d#mn seminar DVDs. My family is a very tight knit conservative Christian thing, which is fine. My dad is actually a very great and wise man in all areas of life, EXCEPT women and I really believe its because of his religious and spiritual views. He's done some things that have really screwed me up with women and stifled my sexual side (like, literally totally grounding for 1 month from EVERYTHING when I was in 5th grade because he found out I looked at a naked girl on the internet... he spent that month classically conditioning me to feel terrible about that. That's one of many examples). I've overcome a lot of those things as best as I've been able to do, and it's been hard. 3 years ago I was seeing a councilor and telling the guy I didn't even know how to make or start conversations with people I was sitting next to in class. Now I'm councilor free start conversations with strange women just about on a daily basis. Thanks for that goes to Deangelo and Anthony Robbins.

So what did you guys do to get better? I've been going out at least 1 night every week with my wing and just approaching women. Sarging basically. I can't really do any more than that because of my college schedule. Sometimes I use routine stacks. Sometimes I don't. Guys on here have told me that based on my field reports, I'm way too much in my head about this stuff. Let me give you an example of Rubato in his head and Rubato not in his head:

In his head - making conversation, possibly vibing with the girl

Out of his head - well... sh't.... I don't really have anything to say.

I am not naturally Mr. Social. If I was, I probably wouldn't be here. So what do you two think, is it really that big of a deal for me to want a model in my mind of how the interaction works on a fundamental psychological level? There are some guys that can manipulate you a girl with daddy issues because they can just intuitively do it. I can't. But I can if I read or someone tells me what a daddy issue is, how to spot it, and how to exploit it. Yes? No?

Finally,

How did you guys develop your sexual identity? That is the biggest thing, I think, that's been hindering me. My parents spent so much of my life giving me this BS contradictory message since I was a little little kid that sex is terrible and awful, but somehow it's not when you get married. But you shouldn't think about that, because it's bad right now. WTF? I've gotten the wardrobe part down. I dress very stylishly/sexy and am told so by a number of girls and homosexual men on a regular basis. My attitudes don't match my appearance though, and it's taking a toll on my game. Maybe you two just figured it out naturally b/c you didn't have parents that spent most of your childhood telling you sex was bad and would send you to hell. Do you have any advice here?

I realize this is long and if either of you get around to reading it enough to give me any feedback, I will be very appreciative. And as always (I've told this to Scars before) but to you too crissco, as a med student, professional musician, and 2-time business founder (successful businesses), if there is any advice I can ever give to you about anything or something I can do to help you, please ask

 

[Rubato]

Thanks for your detailed reply Crissco... I'll be doing my best to implement your suggestions

As far as books go, I realize that not everything is going to resonate with all people the same way, but I'm still interested to hear what really did it for you. I've read Unlimited Power and Awaken the Giant within by Anthony Robbins, Frogs in to Princes by Grinder and Bandler, and Mind Lines by Michael Hall. Deangelo has like an infinite amount of book recommendations in all of his videos and his book, and I've read through a lot of those (though, most are not NLP related. As far as psychology goes, I took a few university level psych courses and still have my textbooks, and I'm in the middle of reading The Mating Mind by Geoffrey Miller.

There is so much out there I would like to learn but there is soooo much material out there. That's why I asked you what you had read specifically that you thought was good. I realize I'll figure it out at some point, but it will definitely be faster if I can get ahold of the most valuable material first rather than wading through less valuable material on my journey. A quote that has been a lot of help to me throughout this journey goes something like "Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Seek what they sought." So, for example, The Mating Mind is a phenomenal book that will give you an incredible amount of insight, but I don't think that some manipulation strategy is going to emerge from having read that book.

The Cube (which I have yet to field test just read for the first time a few days ago) is a different story.

I have just been going with it and will continue. When I say I go out once a week, that's when I go out to bars and clubs to work on my night game. Whenever I am out in public is an opportunity to work on my day game as far as I'm concerned. I legit can't give up anymore time from my studies... I was getting so caught up in my school work I almost gave this part of my life up completely, but that was a good decision I'm happy I decided against.

I still live at home, unfortunately, because I can't justify spending an additional 10k+ each year not to. I live in a ballsy awesome nice home and can pretty much do whatever I want to at this point. My parents don't treat me like they did when I was a child (thank God... that would inspire me to move if they did). I was about to type that I'd pretty much gotten over all of that crap but I realized that's probably not accurate because if it was, I think it would be easier for me to be creating a sexual identity. I am closer than I was though.

Have you ever gotten in to any hypnosis based game/personal improvement? That's something that's always fascinated me.

Thanks again for your help bro

 

[SupaPowa]

Yeah I use the cube...It's actually pretty awesome.

 

[PokerStar]

attn: scars

Given your age, you have more experience with women probably more than half the posters on this site.

when I was your age I was too busy trying to level up on street fighter.

You have a very good understanding of women which i think is very key to being successful in life and interacting with other people.

thats awesome dude. keep up the good work.