You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.
I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.
Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.
These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.
Glanced through the link, didn't really read it all because it seems kind of cheesy.. BUT, I've actually been doing sh!t like that naturally through most of my PUA years using astrology what not, and yes, it has worked very well for me. Pretty much anything metaphysical /paranormal /stars aligning bullsh!t / or gives a woman the opportunity to talk about herself, or ends with you completely complimenting the sh!t out of her (which is all astrology really does..), women eat it up.Crissco said:I really dont PUA games in general but some of them are good to build up attraction and just have fun with it. like the 5 question game that I use.
Got 3 girls with it good. Works like a charm for me.
http://www.seductiontuition.com/neil-strauss/5-questions-game.html
The cube.
http://www.seductiontuition.com/organic/the-cube.html
Thats why im asking I thought the same thing about it. The 5 question game works great for me, but I want something to build more rapport and "create" more of an attraction.Scars said:Glanced through the link, didn't really read it all because it seems kind of cheesy.. BUT, I've actually been doing sh!t like that naturally through most of my PUA years using astrology what not, and yes, it has worked very well for me. Pretty much anything metaphysical /paranormal /stars aligning bullsh!t / or gives a woman the opportunity to talk about herself, or ends with you completely complimenting the sh!t out of her (which is all astrology really does..), women eat it up.
-Scars
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
It wouldn't hurt man, rapport is always good.Crissco said:Thats why im asking I thought the same thing about it. The 5 question game works great for me, but I want something to build more rapport and "create" more of an attraction.
I always get asked what my sign is by tons of women. I know my Dad used to use the cube and worked well for him.
Im going to try to memorize it and give it a shot one of these days as another tool in my arsenal.
Precisely.Crissco said:One thing I noticed that was, most girls who are into physiology/astrology are looking for themselves, because they are 1..insecure about themselves so they need to turn to an outside source..2 a bit over weight, dunno how this correlates but it seems to be a pattern, and 3. A bit crazy in the head.
I can see the cube working on tons of girls but for some reason the more emotionally messed up they are the better it will work.
Everything I bolded. Pinned my personality and me, to a fuc*ing T bro.Scars said:Precisely.
All this garbage works best on insecure people.
I'm not going to lie, I am a bit insecure at times. I did the whole "fake it until you make it approach", but I still feel like I will never actually "make it". I take pride in the fact that I have slept with 33 different women, at only 21 years old, but I am also self-aware and man enough to realize that it's only to feed my ego. I love knowledge, I love trickery, I love psychology, and I love pick-up. I have learned enough and adapted it into my life to see results. Many, if you will. Realizing women are emotionally driven made my laid count sky-rocket. I'm not going to claim all of them were quality women either. They were also insecure and fell victim to my manipulation. It's one of the biggest arguments I have against the white knights. That I sleep with garbage women. Maybe I do. So what? They're still hott, and they know how to fvck and suck a mean d!ck. I don't care if they have daddy issues. I will take advantage of it. Truth is, fellow white knights, that pretty much all women are garbage. Good luck trying to find any women who isn't some sort of fvcked up. It's just the times we live in. If you keep waiting around trying to find "the one" or a good decent "quality" girl you will never get laid.
It's pretty easy to spot the success of people on here. Guys with the "trying to find the quality" women mindset, or telling people like me "you just haven't found the right girl" are the guys who aren't getting laid and have very little experience. Either that, or they are currently in a relationship and the meer though of me leading them to believe their highness isn't the angel he thinks she is threatens the fvck out of them. Date enough girls, and go around the block a few times, and then the ugly truth will slap you hard across the face. But most guys here won't even get that far, because they can't even ask a girl out.
-Scars
You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.
I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.
Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.
These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.
Acting out of emotion goes both ways, whether a guy or a girl. I know a lot of guys who act out of emotion, my dad for example.Scars said:My theory is, most guys on this site ARE this way. You don't just stumble across a dating/seduction website unless you are currently having trouble with women or at least some level insecure with your inability to get female attention. That's why the people who come in here and claim to be so confident/high and mighty make me laugh. The white knights even more so. Seduction is all about trickery. Why is there a moral compass on what is right and wrong within the community? Whether it's utilizing C+F or lying to a girl that you make more money than you actually do.. it's all tricks. Women lie to us every single day. They're always looking for "the next best thing" and will drop you in a heartbeat without any remorse or sympathy. They are emotional, and just do whatever "feels" right, even if it means completely destroying your life and self-worth. Gotta love these white knights man. They're oh so sensitive. I thought reacting out of emotion was something only women did. I guess not.
-Scars
Crissco said:Acting out of emotion goes both ways, whether a guy or a girl. I know a lot of guys who act out of emotion, my dad for example.
Ive know for a long time that seduction is really just manipulation tactics, that's why my main source of books now are physiology, NLP, and manipulation books that I try to memorize. Im guilty of saying in the same way when it comes to the next best thing. I wouldn't say ide drop her in a heartbeat but i would ween her off of me then go on to the next girl.
Right and wrong has to do with the individual. Nothing else. Is speeding wrong? Yes and no. If someone I loved was on there death bed and I had to speed there, you sure as hell know ide put of a big fight to prove my point. But if i was going 60 on a side street on a normal day, I think thats wrong.
I quote I read and i laughed at it "Women can fake an orgasm, men can fake a whole relashionship"
Couldn't agree more with it. And yea a lot of women do the same thing to "keep them around" for satisfaction reasons. But the same with men, I would keep a girl around for my own selfishness, my own ego boost. Then dump her and find another girl. Doesnt mean I dont care about that person, unless they truely did something to hurt me, bc i cared about every girl ive been with, in my own way, but when push comes to shove always do whats best for the individual.
Scars said:Good to hear this man. You got the right mindset. Completely. It isn't selfishness, you're just playing the exact same game that women do. Although, it shouldn't really be considered a "game". We should all do what's best for our own self interest, and nothing more. It's biologically programmed into all of us, to do otherwise is unnatural.
It's good to see young people finally opening their eyes.
One of the things I hate the most about this site is people over reading what I say because of my age. Or making comments about it, and telling me I have no experience. I've gotten heat from posting in the "mature man" forum several times, and that I have no REAL life experience. They can believe what they want. Maybe I haven't been around as long as other members here, but I actually LEARN from my mistakes. Which is one of the best tools a PUA could ever have in his arsenal. I'm not going to say I never make the same mistakes twice, because I do. But it's generally a "god dammnit, I should had known this.." kind of thing. There's some guys here who are twice our age and completely fvcking clueless man. I feel for these guys, and all the white knights. But at the same time, they are stupid. And only REAL experience will fix them out of this mindset. Like I said. Date enough girls, and go around the block a few times and you will learn things. Not only that, but learn from other peoples mistakes. I've never been married, but you might see me at times speak on the subject, and very so against it. After watching my family fail, hearing countless other stories, reading all the debauchery stories in the mature man forum, and also working with people who are twice my age for several years now, learning about them, their stories and almost all of them being divorced, I take in everything they have to say. I think part of the reason why I am so successful is learning who to listen and who not to listen to. I've been blessed to encounter people in my life who have been through some sh!t, and have dropped some amazing knowledge on me. Guys who "got it", or rather "learned things the hard way". I don't just ignore my peers, because they do have a lot of wisdom to share, but in regards to dating/women it is completely different. A guy twice our age could try and give me advice that is complete garbage. I just nod my head and act like I agree with them. Ask most 40+ men these days about their marriage and most of them will say "don't even get married". It's the same mindset my dad reinforced in me as a young child as well, and I think him deeply for it. Forget all this oneitis love BS and do what's natural. You wanna fvck. Keep your options open. If you wanna feel loved, ok that's cool, find some girls to feed your narcissistic supply, but don't fall victim to the disney/fairy tale BS that corporate america/society is trying to feed you. It doesn't exist.
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-Scars
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Rubato said:@Scars or Crissco
I totally agree with everything you guys have been saying in this thread... I think it's one of the best I've read in a while and am glad I saw it because I tend to get flamed whenever I express any ideas that go against the grain of the "white knight" DJ guy you are talking about. If this wasn't about outside of ourselves, no one would be here because they'd already have it and this would be irrelevant! Since I got in to this "community", I've concentrated my efforts strictly on day game, probably as an excuse to play the game against less competition. After analyzing myself and considering how I work, my friends work, and what all the psychology stuff I was reading said, I began to develop a mindset similar to what Scars was articulating.... but I didn't see it come out much in the day. This really lowered my impression of women even more because I not only thought they were self centered, not loyal, and manipulative, but I also realized they have either convinced themselves that they are not, or just pretend like they're not.
Not so at the bar and at the club. I am glad I started working on my night game because I think that's when a woman really let's you see what she has the potential to become. IMO, there is no way to effectively deal with a creature like that (who is already using ethically comparable tactics of disrespect, manipulation, and impoliteness against you) as a "white knight". What the h#ll are you going to do? Save her from herself? Use your special DJ/James Bond body language and eye contact to disarm her and make her start orgasming right there because you just look so alpha and confident?
No. (Note, I do think that the DJ stuff has a place somewhere.... it works a lot better for me during the day)
So guys, my questions for you are a few things. First, what psychology, NLP, ect. books have you read or are you reading that you really got a lot out of and helped you?
How did you guys get better at this? I don't have anyone in my life who is any good with women I can model or seek advice from, and that's precisely why I've come here and spent literally weeks pouring through "PUA literature" and watching all those d#mn seminar DVDs. My family is a very tight knit conservative Christian thing, which is fine. My dad is actually a very great and wise man in all areas of life, EXCEPT women and I really believe its because of his religious and spiritual views. He's done some things that have really screwed me up with women and stifled my sexual side (like, literally totally grounding for 1 month from EVERYTHING when I was in 5th grade because he found out I looked at a naked girl on the internet... he spent that month classically conditioning me to feel terrible about that. That's one of many examples). I've overcome a lot of those things as best as I've been able to do, and it's been hard. 3 years ago I was seeing a councilor and telling the guy I didn't even know how to make or start conversations with people I was sitting next to in class. Now I'm councilor free start conversations with strange women just about on a daily basis. Thanks for that goes to Deangelo and Anthony Robbins.
So what did you guys do to get better? I've been going out at least 1 night every week with my wing and just approaching women. Sarging basically. I can't really do any more than that because of my college schedule. Sometimes I use routine stacks. Sometimes I don't. Guys on here have told me that based on my field reports, I'm way too much in my head about this stuff. Let me give you an example of Rubato in his head and Rubato not in his head:
In his head - making conversation, possibly vibing with the girl
Out of his head - well... sh't.... I don't really have anything to say.
I am not naturally Mr. Social. If I was, I probably wouldn't be here. So what do you two think, is it really that big of a deal for me to want a model in my mind of how the interaction works on a fundamental psychological level? There are some guys that can manipulate you a girl with daddy issues because they can just intuitively do it. I can't. But I can if I read or someone tells me what a daddy issue is, how to spot it, and how to exploit it. Yes? No?
Finally,
How did you guys develop your sexual identity? That is the biggest thing, I think, that's been hindering me. My parents spent so much of my life giving me this BS contradictory message since I was a little little kid that sex is terrible and awful, but somehow it's not when you get married. But you shouldn't think about that, because it's bad right now. WTF? I've gotten the wardrobe part down. I dress very stylishly/sexy and am told so by a number of girls and homosexual men on a regular basis. My attitudes don't match my appearance though, and it's taking a toll on my game. Maybe you two just figured it out naturally b/c you didn't have parents that spent most of your childhood telling you sex was bad and would send you to hell. Do you have any advice here?
I realize this is long and if either of you get around to reading it enough to give me any feedback, I will be very appreciative. And as always (I've told this to Scars before) but to you too crissco, as a med student, professional musician, and 2-time business founder (successful businesses), if there is any advice I can ever give to you about anything or something I can do to help you, please ask![]()
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.