"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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The 'Creep Factor'

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something that annoys me to no end...if I'm somewhere with alot of people I don't know (a party, a bar) seems like half the time i try to flirt with or even talk to a new girl she gives me a look as if I'd sneezed in her drink or something. Sort of a 'OMG you're trying to talk to me? eww creepy'.

I don't see this as a reflection on my game, since I don't really like parties/clubs/bars as places to meet girls anyway, but even my platonic female friends will complain that they don't like guys looking at them/hitting on them/trying to talk to them. Then they wonder why they spend most of their time single.

WTF is up with that? Is this a societal thing or is it just the way I see it?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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I don't see this as a reflection on my game
You should. You're doing something wrong. It sounds to me like you're coming on far too strong, far too quickly ... and that's what women consider creepy.

Can you give us a little more information about how these approaches went?
 

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Leporello said:
something that annoys me to no end...if I'm somewhere with alot of people I don't know (a party, a bar) seems like half the time i try to flirt with or even talk to a new girl she gives me a look as if I'd sneezed in her drink or something. Sort of a 'OMG you're trying to talk to me? eww creepy'.
Laugh at her for being so immature, then stride off and talk to another bird like you own the world.

Leporello said:
I don't see this as a reflection on my game, since I don't really like parties/clubs/bars as places to meet girls anyway, but even my platonic female friends will complain that they don't like guys looking at them/hitting on them/trying to talk to them. Then they wonder why they spend most of their time single.

WTF is up with that? Is this a societal thing or is it just the way I see it?
Bloody 'ell, ignore what girls say... inversely if NO ONE hit on them whatsoever they would think what's wrong with them. They enjoy it really, just maybe the ones hitting on them aren't quite their type. So carry on doing it, one will respond favourably.
 

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Leporello said:
but even my platonic female friends

This speaks for itself
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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they most likely think your a creep because you have no social proof. usually in these situations i find ways to make friends or single girls out. sometimes i'll go out for a smoke for a little and just chill. if i bump into a guy or girl it's perfect time to chat and get to know each other. It won't require any social proof since you're all singled out, when you're outside.
 

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10 years ago you used to never hear girls use the word 'creepy'. now they define EVERYTHING that way. what was considered 'flirty' is now 'creepy'. times are changing.lol
 

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Leporello said:
something that annoys me to no end...if I'm somewhere with alot of people I don't know (a party, a bar) seems like half the time i try to flirt with or even talk to a new girl she gives me a look as if I'd sneezed in her drink or something. Sort of a 'OMG you're trying to talk to me? eww creepy'.
The problem here (in my opinion) is simple.

You say that whenever you go somewhere where there's a lot of people you don't know,it seems like girls give you the "creepy vibe" when you try to talk to them.


Seems to me that when you go to these places and are surrounded by a bunch of strangers,YOU'RE uncomfortable.


You feel out of place.



If so,then that "uncomfortableness" will show up in the way you walk,talk,your body language,and demeanor.



You get what you give.



You give off uncomfortable energy,and since women are emotional,they pick up on the vibe you give off,and it makes them uncomfortable too.



Hence the "OMG you're trying to talk to me? eww creepy" feeling you get when you apporach them.



Like Sloag and AAAgent said:No social proof. If the girls saw you talking and interacting normally with others,then maybe they'd feel more comfort when talking to you.



That would be my guess,especially if that "eww creepy" vibe is something you seem to get RIGHT OFF THE BAT,almost before you even opened your mouth.



Also like one of the other posters said:it'd would probably help to know what your conversation is with these girls as well.




Leporello said:
I don't see this as a reflection on my game, since I don't really like parties/clubs/bars as places to meet girls anyway,
Yeah,seems like you're uncomfortable. You say you don't like parties and clubs to meet women,but you go anyway.


So you're at a place you don't really want to be,trying to meet girls.



You can either try a different location,or work on feeling more comfortable at parties and clubs.

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but even my platonic female friends will complain that they don't like guys looking at them/hitting on them/trying to talk to them.
Remember:WOMEN ARE EMOTIONAL.


Your female friends say they don't like it when guys look at them,try to talk to them,or hit on them.



They say that,but what they mean is they don't want guys WHO THEY'RE NOT ATTRACTED TO,OR WHO MAKE THEM "FEEL" UNCOMFORTABLE to try to talk to them/hit on them/look at them.



They say they don't want guys looking at or trying to hit on them,but they get boobs jobs,wear mini-skirts,low-cut shirts,push-up bras,spend hours in front of a mirror.



They do ALL THAT,but they don't want guys trying to talk to them.



Oh pul-lease.



Leporello said:
WTF is up with that? Is this a societal thing or is it just the way I see it?
It's just the way YOU see it.


I know,because I used to be like that.



I'd try to talk to a girl,but the whole time she seemed nervous or uncomfortable...and she was,but it was because I was nervous and uncomfortable when I approached her.



If you're just cool and calm,and talk to her like you've known her for 10 years instead of being afraid of saying something that may offend her,then your cool and calmness will infect her,just like being nervous does.


Good luck man.
 

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Jay Dee said:
Laugh at her for being so immature, then stride off and talk to another bird like you own the world.


Bloody 'ell, ignore what girls say... inversely if NO ONE hit on them whatsoever they would think what's wrong with them. They enjoy it really, just maybe the ones hitting on them aren't quite their type. So carry on doing it, one will respond favourably.
:yes: :yes:
 

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Just say, "I just thought you were this girl I know in Chemistry class." Lie. Do whatever you fvcking can to fvck with these fvcks, then fvck em.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Way to much over-anaylasation going on here
Calibrate yourself to the situation and go of that

I.E. your stranger at a party

Solution: Chat people up build some social Proof

peace
 

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Igetit! said:
They say they don't want guys looking at or trying to hit on them,but they get boobs jobs,wear mini-skirts,low-cut shirts,push-up bras,spend hours in front of a mirror.
They do ALL THAT,but they don't want guys trying to talk to them.
Oh pul-lease.
I don't buy it either.
But I do remember reading something to the effect that women actually dress up to impress other women, rather than impressing guys. Sort of a competitive type of thing among them supposedly: "See how hot I can look?".
 

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EFFORT said:
This speaks for itself
Oh really. I've had 4 girlfriends in the past year; I don't have trouble getting girls. i'm not allowed to have female friends now?
 
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Having Female friends is healthy.. and rasies your social proof
 
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