"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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The 'Creep Factor'

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something that annoys me to no end...if I'm somewhere with alot of people I don't know (a party, a bar) seems like half the time i try to flirt with or even talk to a new girl she gives me a look as if I'd sneezed in her drink or something. Sort of a 'OMG you're trying to talk to me? eww creepy'.

I don't see this as a reflection on my game, since I don't really like parties/clubs/bars as places to meet girls anyway, but even my platonic female friends will complain that they don't like guys looking at them/hitting on them/trying to talk to them. Then they wonder why they spend most of their time single.

WTF is up with that? Is this a societal thing or is it just the way I see it?
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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I don't see this as a reflection on my game
You should. You're doing something wrong. It sounds to me like you're coming on far too strong, far too quickly ... and that's what women consider creepy.

Can you give us a little more information about how these approaches went?
 

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Leporello said:
something that annoys me to no end...if I'm somewhere with alot of people I don't know (a party, a bar) seems like half the time i try to flirt with or even talk to a new girl she gives me a look as if I'd sneezed in her drink or something. Sort of a 'OMG you're trying to talk to me? eww creepy'.
Laugh at her for being so immature, then stride off and talk to another bird like you own the world.

Leporello said:
I don't see this as a reflection on my game, since I don't really like parties/clubs/bars as places to meet girls anyway, but even my platonic female friends will complain that they don't like guys looking at them/hitting on them/trying to talk to them. Then they wonder why they spend most of their time single.

WTF is up with that? Is this a societal thing or is it just the way I see it?
Bloody 'ell, ignore what girls say... inversely if NO ONE hit on them whatsoever they would think what's wrong with them. They enjoy it really, just maybe the ones hitting on them aren't quite their type. So carry on doing it, one will respond favourably.
 

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Leporello said:
but even my platonic female friends

This speaks for itself
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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they most likely think your a creep because you have no social proof. usually in these situations i find ways to make friends or single girls out. sometimes i'll go out for a smoke for a little and just chill. if i bump into a guy or girl it's perfect time to chat and get to know each other. It won't require any social proof since you're all singled out, when you're outside.
 

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10 years ago you used to never hear girls use the word 'creepy'. now they define EVERYTHING that way. what was considered 'flirty' is now 'creepy'. times are changing.lol
 

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Leporello said:
something that annoys me to no end...if I'm somewhere with alot of people I don't know (a party, a bar) seems like half the time i try to flirt with or even talk to a new girl she gives me a look as if I'd sneezed in her drink or something. Sort of a 'OMG you're trying to talk to me? eww creepy'.
The problem here (in my opinion) is simple.

You say that whenever you go somewhere where there's a lot of people you don't know,it seems like girls give you the "creepy vibe" when you try to talk to them.


Seems to me that when you go to these places and are surrounded by a bunch of strangers,YOU'RE uncomfortable.


You feel out of place.



If so,then that "uncomfortableness" will show up in the way you walk,talk,your body language,and demeanor.



You get what you give.



You give off uncomfortable energy,and since women are emotional,they pick up on the vibe you give off,and it makes them uncomfortable too.



Hence the "OMG you're trying to talk to me? eww creepy" feeling you get when you apporach them.



Like Sloag and AAAgent said:No social proof. If the girls saw you talking and interacting normally with others,then maybe they'd feel more comfort when talking to you.



That would be my guess,especially if that "eww creepy" vibe is something you seem to get RIGHT OFF THE BAT,almost before you even opened your mouth.



Also like one of the other posters said:it'd would probably help to know what your conversation is with these girls as well.




Leporello said:
I don't see this as a reflection on my game, since I don't really like parties/clubs/bars as places to meet girls anyway,
Yeah,seems like you're uncomfortable. You say you don't like parties and clubs to meet women,but you go anyway.


So you're at a place you don't really want to be,trying to meet girls.



You can either try a different location,or work on feeling more comfortable at parties and clubs.

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but even my platonic female friends will complain that they don't like guys looking at them/hitting on them/trying to talk to them.
Remember:WOMEN ARE EMOTIONAL.


Your female friends say they don't like it when guys look at them,try to talk to them,or hit on them.



They say that,but what they mean is they don't want guys WHO THEY'RE NOT ATTRACTED TO,OR WHO MAKE THEM "FEEL" UNCOMFORTABLE to try to talk to them/hit on them/look at them.



They say they don't want guys looking at or trying to hit on them,but they get boobs jobs,wear mini-skirts,low-cut shirts,push-up bras,spend hours in front of a mirror.



They do ALL THAT,but they don't want guys trying to talk to them.



Oh pul-lease.



Leporello said:
WTF is up with that? Is this a societal thing or is it just the way I see it?
It's just the way YOU see it.


I know,because I used to be like that.



I'd try to talk to a girl,but the whole time she seemed nervous or uncomfortable...and she was,but it was because I was nervous and uncomfortable when I approached her.



If you're just cool and calm,and talk to her like you've known her for 10 years instead of being afraid of saying something that may offend her,then your cool and calmness will infect her,just like being nervous does.


Good luck man.
 

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Laugh at her for being so immature, then stride off and talk to another bird like you own the world.


Bloody 'ell, ignore what girls say... inversely if NO ONE hit on them whatsoever they would think what's wrong with them. They enjoy it really, just maybe the ones hitting on them aren't quite their type. So carry on doing it, one will respond favourably.
:yes: :yes:
 

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Just say, "I just thought you were this girl I know in Chemistry class." Lie. Do whatever you fvcking can to fvck with these fvcks, then fvck em.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Way to much over-anaylasation going on here
Calibrate yourself to the situation and go of that

I.E. your stranger at a party

Solution: Chat people up build some social Proof

peace
 

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Igetit! said:
They say they don't want guys looking at or trying to hit on them,but they get boobs jobs,wear mini-skirts,low-cut shirts,push-up bras,spend hours in front of a mirror.
They do ALL THAT,but they don't want guys trying to talk to them.
Oh pul-lease.
I don't buy it either.
But I do remember reading something to the effect that women actually dress up to impress other women, rather than impressing guys. Sort of a competitive type of thing among them supposedly: "See how hot I can look?".
 

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EFFORT said:
This speaks for itself
Oh really. I've had 4 girlfriends in the past year; I don't have trouble getting girls. i'm not allowed to have female friends now?
 
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Having Female friends is healthy.. and rasies your social proof
 
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