the bonus effect of looks

[Nighthawk]

I can't talk to girls. Remember?

Yes. That's why you have no authority to give advice on the subject.

 

[bigjohnson]

That's total bullѕhit, man. Just because girls paralyze me with intimidation doesn't mean that I can't speak intelligently of the experiences that I HAVE had with women.

Maybe you were so paralysed you can't remember clearly, because most of what you say bears little resemblance to the reality I and others who actually interact successfully with women experience.

 

[The Juan and only]

Or much more likely...things are different on another CONTINENT.

Maybe, but human nature is fairly pervasive.

 

[bigjohnson]

Or much more likely...things are different on another CONTINENT.

I wasn't aware California had already started it's trek towards Hawaii.

 

[bigjohnson]

Oh. British spelling, but you live in America. Gotcha.

Ah, yeah I have people in India, Ireland and a few other places working on my projects, plus the cute little project manager for one of them is a Brit Chick. Also some of the components come from an R&D group we keep in the UK.

I guess it's rubbed off a little.

 

[ricorico]

Deus,

With all of the "women" who swear you are so good looking,what exactly is it they tell you? What motivates them to give you such compliments,why do they even notice if looks don't matter?

Have you ever tried asking any of them if they normally approach guys? If so,what makes the guy approachable?if they are intimidated by certain types of guys?

Ask someone you know who is honest(hard to find a woman who'll want to hurt feelings,but they are out there) to blatently tell you what it is about YOU that makes you so unlucky. You say you never approach,so that may be 95% of the equation. Guys who have been approached at least give women some eye contact or initiative . Maybe smile at them or something. I've seen friends approached at coffee shops, parties,beach and other places. At rare times, I've been approached myself. But always when I was aware of the girl and had some interaction even in line for something. You have to "look " approachable and give possitive feedback. Start making efforts and quit whinning. I'm begining to think you need some serious therapy,cause you can't be here that long and still have fear of approaching. It's not normal!!!

Looking at a girl from across a room, smiling at her or whatever gives her an indication you may be interested. But no eye,not smiling or being open tells her you want noone to bother you. Do you think you're so special women should automatically know you're interested and start talking to you even though you make absolutely no effort because they somehow read your mind and know you have LSE?

 

[Nighthawk]

Hot women are not dying to reject guys, they are dying to be fucked. Agree or disagree?

 

[bigjohnson]

Women can ADMIRE good looks without REQUIRING them. You know, kind of like they can admire a Rolls Royce without requiring a man to drive one?

This is true, however it's not really useful. More useful is the question "If you offered the woman who's admiring the RR a choice between having a RR and a Yugo, which will she likely choose?" Or more precisely "If you offered the woman who's admiring the RR a choice between having a guy driving a RR and a guy driving a Yugo, which will she likely choose all else equal?"


I think that cuts to the core of the matter.

Hot women are not dying to reject guys, they are dying to be fucked. Agree or disagree?

My experience is that this is true, in fact they are generally just being more selective because they can.

 

[bigjohnson]

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[Nighthawk]

The pleasure of shooting a man down trumps the pleasure of sex..

Wrong, but even if they enjoy both, they still do both. Do you want to be one of the ones they ****, or are you just wasting your time being here?

 

[bigjohnson]

Ironically enough, by equating cars with human beings you are flirting with strawman territory. You just left the building, in other words.

Ironically enough (for a guy who loves strawmen) the best you could probably do is to claim this is an improper extension of your analogy since you introduced the analogy (woman admires RR) it makes that strawman claim pretty disingenuous.


EDIT:

Let me help you more. For it to be a strawman, I would have to set up a false analogy and then ARGUE AGAINST THAT. I'm agreeing with YOUR analogy and then asking a question about the logical outcome of your analogy.

 

[bigjohnson]

Let's not jump the gun, here.

OK.

If you offered the woman who's admiring the RR a choice between having a guy driving a RR and a guy driving a Yugo, which will she likely choose all else equal?

 

[ricorico]

The last compliment I received was "You are very good-looking."


I understand that, but I just can't do it. If a woman is too hot, she's just dying to reject guys anyway so there's no point in trying to make eye contact with them unless you're a masochist or in the very upper echelons of PUA's.

Hot women reject a lot of guys because there are tons of "overconfident dillusional losers" with nothing to offer who get on her all day long. That's why some HB's develop that "*****face" to keep losers away. But most HB's are open to meeting guys who look like they take care of themselves physically,have ambition and a good personality. There are guys dating these women,so obviously your phobia's are extreme.

 

[bigjohnson]

Unless I achieve fame or fortune, I seriously doubt I'll ever get the chance to bust inside one of those girls.

So what will the hotties do to you, not sleep with you? Sounds a lot like the outcome of not walking up. Look at it this way, if you get a 0.4% success rate and approach 10 per day, you'll be on a date with a hb9 within 25 days or so .....

1000:1 odds? A little over 3 months.

More realistically, here's what you need to do. Approach every girl you see. Every damn one. Get numbers from all of them you can. Chat them up. Hell, go as far as you want. The main thing I think you need to do is find a groove my friend.

You can study the drivers manual all your life but the only way to learn to drive is to get behind the wheel.

 

[bigjohnson]

Enough to degrade myself 999 times and allow anybody in the nearby vicinity to snicker behind my back whenever I see them in the future? I don't know.

They won't remember you and how is asking a fellow human for contact info degrading? If anything they have degraded themselves.

 

[Nighthawk]

Deus, are you adopted? I think you have abandonment issues. Am I wrong?

 

[Nighthawk]

Just trying to figure out the root of your fear of rejection. I am adopted by the way, and can often spot another adoptee, it's like gaydar. Though not in this case apparently.

 

[Nighthawk]

Do you believe you can change?

 

[illslapyabfup]

yall have to also take in to account...beauty is in the eye of the beholder...a woman might find u attaractive and a guy that eveyone deems attractive as not so attractive

 

[ricorico]

Do you believe you can change?

I really don't think Deus wants to change. I think he secretly enjoys feeling sorry for himself and getting all this attention of the forum and from female friends who feel sorry for him . I think if he actually got his act together and started talking to women and taking chances and they responded he would still be unhappy because now he has nothing to ***** about so no more attention.

Deus, do yourself a favor. Get into therapy for your phobia ASAP!!! You can overcome this. You have to make the effort. I know a guy who has aspbergers and also a girl. They are both very attractive physically, but if you ever saw Napolian Dynamite will not give eye contact and their personalities are lacking. I feel sorry for these 2 because it's a disorder and in the dating world they are ignored. They can do little about their disorder and the lack of potential partners, but you can. You just choose to do absolutely nothing about it and whine and think worse case scenario's.

Do you realize if we all use worst case scenario's for job applications,driving,getting on a plane,talking to new people,getting on a bike,buying a house ect, our lives would be stagnant? You control your destiny in more ways then you think!