The bluepill is making a great comeback...

[Gamisch]

When The Red Pill came to prominence in the mid-10s, delusions that it and it's Kool Aid drinkers were going to overturn The System were riding high, and nearly all Red Pill Theologians bloviated vaguely about an impending revolution. Goes without saying, none of that came anywhere close to fruition, and we're hard-pressed to name ONE Red Pill Ayatollah who can be so much as MISTAKEN by The Powers That Be for a formidable adversary

The only individuals who are, broadly speaking, Manosphere adjacent and feared by "The Establishment" are fellas such as

Ain't surprising that more and more men are tuning out Generic Red Pill messaging(Promotes coping, rather than conquering) in favor following them

The RP however does have a large impact on society. Even political figures aim at the RP by saying " women should make more babies and be stay at home moms".

If you look at ot from a bizz perspective the RP/incels are a great marketing pool to fish from. But the problem is that the solution ALWAYS involves women..

 

[BaronOfHair]

It did make a difference

Yeah, we used to speak of these subjects in plain language (Just one example https://www.nairaland.com/330657/why-should-never-nice-things Note the date that was written), then began emulating Intersectionalists by communicating in buzzword salad, all for the sake of trying to sound like the smartest people in the room

We now have a nation of men who's thinking couldn't be more confused and contradictory than it is now

 

[BaronOfHair]

The RP however does have a large impact on society. Even political figures aim at the RP by saying " women should make more babies and be stay at home moms".

A FEW politicians have mouthed Red Pill talking points while posing for the cameras, same way a handful of politicians in The 1970s co-opted Afrocentric and Black Power talking points into some of their public rhetoric

Just as the latter didn't translate into significant material gains for non-whites(Note the dateline here https://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/politics/poverty/origin1.htm Every observation about our slums remains just as true TODAY), it's tough to see how the former is going to deliever things like legislative reform or greater employment opportunities that benefit men

Someone name examples of figures in The Red Pillsphere who aren't ultimately little more than performance artists who enjoy personality cults, but who've actually built organizations that are now successfully sparing with our judiciary, school boards, Congress, etc etc. Hell, name even one prominent figure in The Manosphere who even ADMITS publicly that our failure to build formidable institutions out in reality is a problem...

I'll gladly modify my tune, if such folk exist

 

[HaleyBaron]

Give it time. It took 10 years for feminism to destroy the 10K history of masculinity. It will take a bit more to rebuild it.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Give it time. It took 10 years for feminism to destroy the 10K history of masculinity. It will take a bit more to rebuild it.

That's ONE read of history. Another: We've been undergoing booms and busts of all this nonsense since The Late 1960s, when EVERY demographic who's encountered difficulties(Women, Gays, eventually Men)began conceptualizing themselves as a part of a persecuted class... Both men's Lib https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-mens-liberation-movement-time-forgot/ and so-called 2nd Wave Feminism https://www.nytimes.com/1982/10/17/magazine/voices-from-the-post-feminist-generation.html had ceased to be faddish once The 70s were over though

At least insofar as The Red Pill goes, that cycle is rinsing and repeating today. Men have been talking about all of this stuff, long before we were mistaking The Matrix for reality https://x.com/PopBase/status/1694132865699840259 (Note the title of the second article featured in that issue. Note the date it was published), and we'll be talking about it for centuries more

 

[HaleyBaron]

Actually, it happened the moment the cosmopolitan women in New York were fighting for worker rights and women's suffrage [a big mistake in hindsight]. Feminism found its roots in communism [same tenets and goals]. Ever since, feminism has been on the rise and has not stopped. There has been no "drop" of it. Because our entire society is effectively in the endgame of it.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Actually, it happened the moment the cosmopolitan women in New York were fighting for worker rights and women's suffrage [a big mistake in hindsight]....

Yeah, large sections of The Manosphere have conned many men today into professing a hatred of Big Government, yet simultaneously calling for a REDUCTION in civil liberties

Similar happened in prior decades, when talk radio scammed lots of men into supporting both The Drug War and later The War On Terror, all while pretending to give half a sewer rat's soiled ass about Big Brother encroaching on our day to day lives

Nothing has changed... The folks who claim to be our advocates have cursed us with a life philosophy more confused and contradictory than that of the typical Baptis minister and Wahabi imam, who abhors fornication from the pulpit, yet has a tough time keeping his hands of his parishioners otherwise

 

[MatureDJ]

And it makes sense. 90% of men are inherently bluepilled. Even over here. That 90% is too big of a number to NOT make a huge impact on the overall vibe surrounding dating.

90% of men are bluepilled while 65% doesn't play along. But most of them are tired of RP rethoric.

The redpill been popping for a solid decade, but unfortunately the messengers were mostly grifters .The evaluation tells us that the boom is over, and men return to their bytchazz self.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Sticking your fingers in your ears and going LALALA won't necessarily change reality. Men are shocked by the difficulty of dating amd thus prefer more than ever to get " just fecking one" woman who loves him and be done with dating, apps, cold approach ect. While women on the other hand have more options than ever.

The discrepancy is crazy.

Just like a lot of women don't want to live the life of a hard-charging career women, preferring the soft life of being a trad-wife, there are a lot of men that are absolutely sick of having to game just to do something (get a woman) that societies for so long were easily able to supply.

 

[MatureDJ]

Actually, it happened the moment the cosmopolitan women in New York were fighting for worker rights and women's suffrage [a big mistake in hindsight]. Feminism found its roots in communism [same tenets and goals]. Ever since, feminism has been on the rise and has not stopped. There has been no "drop" of it. Because our entire society is effectively in the endgame of it.

Feminism is a combination of financial communism & sexual libertinism - indeed the communism has allowed women to be able to be such libertines, since they don't need to depend on a man for financial support.

 

[MatureDJ]

In my native language we have a saying that goes something like " he who pays makes the decisions ".

This is the Golden Rule - he with the gold makes the rules.

 

[Barrister]

A little misleading as the blue pill never actually went anywhere. Men are actually being programmed in greater and greater numbers to blue-pilled white knights by our society. SS and other Red Pill sites are a small sliver of the male population. We men who are here at SS can begin to think that there is some major push back in our society, but in reality that isn't at all the case.

Very few men have awakened to women's true nature. Think about Gen Z men -- they are probably the weakest and most brain washed of any generation yet. Blue pill is alive and well and that never was not the case in the last 25 years unfortunately.

 

[Bingo-Player]

At my company, you aren't considered for any serious positions unless you have a wife and kids.

Yes because you are far easier to control with a wife and kids

Less risk of you waking up one morning and telling C suite executives their existence is pointless and you couldn't give a sh1t about their crappy company

Also a man with a wife and kids to support is far more likely to take endless amounts of sh!t from the company

The system likes what it can control and likes to isolate anything it can't

There are examples in every single niche , every single industry

 

[BaronOfHair]

Men are actually being programmed in greater and greater numbers to blue-pilled white knights by our society

Three factors undermine our chances of achieving any sort of progress:

-We don't really understand what the hell we're saying to one another, when we utter sentences overstuffed with all the standard jargon(Red/Blue/Black/Purple/Gold/Magenta Pill, Gynocentrism, Feminine Primary Social Order), same way Woke Warriors communicate almost exclusively in Intersectionalist gobbledygook. Tough to organize an opposition and put together a viable strategy, when we're unable to communicate with one another

-Just as The Woke Left's antics have made it impossible to discuss instances of actual racism/sexism/homophobia without being dismissed as a Libtard Snowflake, The Manosphere creating it's own version of PC has made it impossible to challenge stereotypes about men, without being scoffed at as one of those Red Pill keyboard warriors. This isn't even the first time "The Men's Movement" has been torpedoed by such nonsense

Man Troubles

Making sense of the men's movement.

reason.com

Quote: "At its worst, masculism can sound like the ne plus ultra of political correctness: The pantheon of the oppressed is completed by the admission of straight white guys. (That leaves us with no oppressor, but an impersonal entity like "the sex/gender system" might do.) Men's advocates often rail against the victim mentality, but they are hardly immune to its temptations: High-school football is "male child abuse"; circumcision is socially sanctioned violence against infant boys comparable to female genital mutilation; women who walk around looking sexy yet remaining unavailable are abusing men; and anyway, men's higher mortality rates are unassailable proof of victimhood"

- Analogy https://www.reddit.com/r/Standup/comments/1irvh47 "-there is basically never a uniform opinion in the gay community. There's barely a "gay community" at all, more like a dozen regional and online subcultures"
There's similarly no "men's community" at all, so much as there are a few thousand factions, all of whom's conceptualization of "The Problem" varies dramatically. It's almost impossible to organize a formidable opposition out of all that

 

[jhonny9546]

Just today, I was talking with friends about what they'd do for Christmas, and we were talking about what my family and I would do.
And as I explained that we'd be at my brother's house, a girl in our social circle replied, "Well, you'reso many!! (about 30 people), imagine when you and your sister have marriages and kids too."

The classic thing you hear when you're in circles with these people.

The system likes what it can control and likes to isolate anything it can't



There are examples in every single niche, every single industry

You gave the idea for a post to discuss about it!
It would be interesting!

 

[jhonny9546]

I have a hunch that most men are blue pilled, and most other men are black pilled/MGTOW types who went that way as a cope due to not being able to find any success. I would guess that red pilled or red-pilled adjacent men, who maintain success with women over their whole lifetime, make up less than 10% of the male population, probably around 1-5%.


He never said they were incels. But they're blue pilled for sure. Most of people of lower IQ or socioeconomic class see getting a wife as the only goal in life. In fact the reason most men are even willing to work such shvt jobs is for women.

Blue pilled men in many respects have an easier time getting GFs or wives since their entire life motto can be summed up as "happy wife happy life". This of course says nothing about the true nature of their relationships and their own happiness, which is a different story.

From your perspective, something important seems to be missing. Or at least, for me personally, that's the case.

That is, there are also men who have decided to stay single, building their lives, precisely because they know all the tricks, and there's nothing better than having a career or doing what you love, having your own debts to pay for yourself, and not having affairs with women who risk taking everything away from you.
Furthermore, having healthy, deep, sincere relationships with men, and even with some women to find sincere woman who thinks like you, and who has also had the same experiences.
In reality, these men treat seduction more like a game and don't give it real importance, because they're comfortable with themselves.
But they place more value on healthy relationships, and their peace, and have goals for themselves that differ from those of others.

Don't always get them what they want, keep them guessing, and they won't be able to take you for granted.

Of everything you've written, this is all that's true, and it makes you understand why dysfunctional relationships work so well. (As @BeExcellent also points out)
But on the other hand, it also makes you understand why that woman doesn't deserve you: if she asks you something and you respond with "Yes, of course, I'd like that too,we should do it" a healthy person would be happy and content, while a damaged person would feel bored.

This is why you end up investing time with people who shouldn't be in your life, but at that point, that person is making you the best gift: if she's bored of what you do, then she's saying I'm not a healthy person.
Then it's up to you to leave.

It works really well. As BeExcellent said there are man who actually don't do that, and I am one of them.
So I have to fake this thing in order to works, and I've noticed it won't lead to happy relationships.
What could I do instead is having a little of "playful" sentences, but then I would consider her request and give her a response. I'm not a doggy or a doormat, I've learnt from my experiences, so BeExcellent is an intelligent woman and could give us way to do that without faking.

I learned this from observing a relationship where this woman would dump all the decent, committed guys, while staying for over 12 years with a man who either joked with her every request or wouldn't, and who wasn't very committed.
It was obviously a toxic relationship.

@BeExcellent Are you talking about carrot and stick, later on your post?
I also found other material about this https://www.reddit.com/r/The48LawsOfPower/comments/i9qns4

 

[Bokanovsky]

We need a comeback from institutionalized religion. In the US, decentralized uncontrolled evangelicalism has ruined Christianity’s reputation.

"Decentralized uncontrolled evangelicalism" is the only reason why Christianity still exists in the U.S. Otherwise, it would be like Europe where the only people who go to church are jihadists intent on blowing it up.

 

[Clockwerk50]

I took ideas from both red-pill and blue-pill spaces, then filtered them and just do my own thing. I honestly don’t care much about where the “dating culture” goes overall; I just focus on what works for me.

There was an article about a former Bachelor/Bachelorette contestant who got dumped after several years. After a few magazine photoshoots, she openly said she wanted her next partner to be a “simp” (what people would call blue-pill behavior) for her since she was the tradwife.

There are also several theories that support the idea that going to extremes isn’t recommended:

• Yerkes–Dodson Law: performance (and relationships) suffer at both low and high extremes.
  
• Law 20: Don't Commit To Anyone: over-committing usually backfires.
  
  
• Don’t go Rambo: hyper-aggression or hyper-detachment both miss the point.
  Definition: Rambo. : r/marriedredpill

 

[BaronOfHair]

Perhaps a more suitable analogy than religion is The Brat Pack:

Just as most(though certainly not all)of them had minimal range as actors/often weren't even especially attractive physically(For every Rob Lowe, there were 5 A.M. Halls and Judd Nelsons. Molly Ringwald and Ally Sheedy were CUTE girls, sure... It's a immense exaggeration to refer to describe either as "beautiful" or even especially alluring though), the majority of card-carrying Red Pillers didn't have much more to offer beyond "Feminism = Satan", never provided viable answerss to the question: "What do we do to address these "problems", presuming your diagnosis is entirely correct?". Which was a horse that already been flogged beyond recognition by the likes of Phyllis Schafly, Tom Leykis, and Patrice O'Neal, eons before The Manosphere was even a daydream

Not surprisingly, both camps had become an anachronism, within a decade of their appearance

 

[HaleyBaron]

Yeah, large sections of The Manosphere have conned many men today into professing a hatred of Big Government, yet simultaneously calling for a REDUCTION in civil liberties

Similar happened in prior decades, when talk radio scammed lots of men into supporting both The Drug War and later The War On Terror, all while pretending to give half a sewer rat's soiled ass about Big Brother encroaching on our day to day lives

Nothing has changed... The folks who claim to be our advocates have cursed us with a life philosophy more confused and contradictory than that of the typical Baptis minister and Wahabi imam, who abhors fornication from the pulpit, yet has a tough time keeping his hands of his parishioners otherwise

You're aware that major radio stations got taken over by the big buyout of broadcast power from various newspaper mongols, right? Look up William Randolph Hearst. He was one of the start of controlled opposition, even going after independent radio broadcasting. So everything you mentioned is no different TurningPoint USA or the Onion or The Bee, or Fox, etc, who pretend to be on men's side but are owned by the same people at the top that control this feminist society. They exist to make the redpill side of things appear foolish.

 

[BaronOfHair]

So everything you mentioned is no different TurningPoint USA or the Onion or The Bee, or Fox, etc, who pretend to be on men's side but are owned by the same people at the top that control this feminist society

Yeah, it'd be shrewd for us to stop expecting any celebrity(even Z listers on social media)to "be on our side", recognize them as more clowns to the circus. Card-carrying Red Pillers, who are delusional enough to believe they "discovered" truths previously unknown to man, don't require help to make themselves look foolish