The Art of Seduction Book Study

[Reyaj]

I think this is an important chapter to get some real life examples. But if everyone wants to move on please say so.

 

[Poonani Maker]

You know they have audio cds of the book so you don't have to read. You can just goto sleep listening to that stuff...powerful...

 

[Reyaj]

You know they have audio cds of the book so you don't have to read. You can just goto sleep listening to that stuff...powerful...

So can you relate the lessons the book teaches to real life?

 

[FoolsCause]

Ok, it looks like I'm going to be the first to post my analysis.

The first example Greene portrayed was the feminine dandy. He used the Italian immigrant dancer as being attractive to females by the way he dressed (feminine of sort) and by his dance moves. When he finally made it on Cinema his character which while appearing feminine hold a mean streak (almost raping 1 woman he rescued) drove women mad.

Well I can't say I've had much experience in this role minus the mean streak where I'll admit I have treated some girls like **** and they kept wanting me more. But back to the lesson at hand. I guess pretty boys do get girls or at least are friends with a lot of girls. This of course is also true of homosexual men... and I think thats what I associate the dandy with... men who women find non threatning so therefore they open up to.

I'm guessing that luring a woman in by lowering her defenses with this character and then becoming a rake and jumping all over here might be key.....?

I don't think the dandy is non-threatening to women though. Mick Jagger and Rudolph Valentino had an element of danger, right?

Women like the dandy because of their own narcissism. They're impressed by metrosexual tastes that reflect their own feminine tastes. However, the masculine rake wins out in the end because women generally like to be chased. A dandy has to become aggressive at the right moment or she thinks he's gay and quickly loses interest, or he is gay.

The coquette is, like you say, Jayer, the standard SoSuave play-it-cool strategy but with less emphasis on the *****+funny rake approach that's also popular here. Don't put the ***** on a pedestal. I really don't know if the coquette can work for most guys. The coquette strategy would seem to work for a guy who already has some physical or social-status plus going for him, being good-looking, tall, rich, musical, etc., so that women tend to fight to gain his attention without any attempt on his part to gain it, like The Bachelor on TV. SoSuave in spades, huh?

 

[Ricky]

I saw there is a concise Art of Seduction now (saw it on Amazon). I have the original. Just wondering if there is anything new of interest in the concise version?

 

[Reyaj]

I don't think the dandy is non-threatening to women though. Mick Jagger and Rudolph Valentino had an element of danger, right?

Women like the dandy because of their own narcissism. They're impressed by metrosexual tastes that reflect their own feminine tastes. However, the masculine rake wins out in the end because women generally like to be chased. A dandy has to become aggressive at the right moment or she thinks he's gay and quickly loses interest, or he is gay.

The coquette is, like you say, Jayer, the standard SoSuave play-it-cool strategy but with less emphasis on the *****+funny rake approach that's also popular here. Don't put the ***** on a pedestal. I really don't know if the coquette can work for most guys. The coquette strategy would seem to work for a guy who already has some physical or social-status plus going for him, being good-looking, tall, rich, musical, etc., so that women tend to fight to gain his attention without any attempt on his part to gain it, like The Bachelor on TV. SoSuave in spades, huh?

Good points about Rudolph and Mick Jagger...

The dandy... I don't know so much.... if you could provide examples of what you indicated that'd be great

I like the Rake just going for it..... but a lot of his actions seem AFC as it says he supplicates a lot to women... since he'd do anything to get them.... Doesn't too much attention spoil things?

If you have any personal examples you can share for any of these characters that would be great.

We should move onto the charmer soon

 

[FoolsCause]

The two main methods on SoSuave are 1)be the PRIZE, and 2)KINO c&f etc. to let them feel your desire. To simplify, I'd place those as 1)the Coquette and 2)the Rake, though the hot&cold Coquette combines the two.

The suave Charmer method is not favored on SoSuave. Don't put the pvsy on a pedestal. The Charmer studies from afar and chooses a target that has doubts about herself, unrealized potential, and gives her recognition for what she wants to be, perhaps gives her flowers or chocolates if that's what will make her day. He uses seductive words to arouse a romance-novel feeling in her. He'll listen to her. He'll adjust his approach, like a chameleon, in accordance with the victim's "type" (discussed in Greene's book). The Charmer understands his victims' psychology. Also, he's agreeable and doesn't neg-hit her. The Charmer has a short expiration date, and when the bubble bursts and his charms wear off, she goes looking elsewhere. It's best used for ONS and STRs. Casanova would keep his contact short and sweet then move on to the next victim before reality set in.

What kind of examples? Being 'funny' (though I don't really tell jokes) is usually what has worked best for me, though alot of the initial interest seems to be due to my attire/grooming. I'm not a natural DJ though.

 

[FoolsCause]

I like the Rake just going for it..... but a lot of his actions seem AFC as it says he supplicates a lot to women... since he'd do anything to get them.... Doesn't too much attention spoil things?

Yeah, the Rake has an element of the Charmer, but he's mainly about being the MAN and allowing the woman to be a WOMAN, which is why he turns on repressed, conservative prudes. For example, the mass appeal of Elvis in the conservative 50s. Women generally don't like making the initial moves themselves or they feel "dirty".

Maybe the best method for average joes is a combination 60%rake/20%coquette/20%dandy. The nice attire/grooming brings them in and makes them want to be seen in public with you, the rake keeps them happy, and the well-placed coquette technique, like not calling too soon/often and keeping phone calls short, keeps their ego in check. Over 50% coquette will probably backfire for the average joe without much distinction. Also, it seems that Greene advocates use of coquette more as a technique for reviving a stale LTR than initiating a seduction.

The Charmer is probably the most advanced method, so most men look like AFCs when they try to use it, giving flowers at the wrong time and so forth. Too much making her feel 'special' can make her feel smothered.

 

[BlackJackal]

Good points about Rudolph and Mick Jagger...

The dandy... I don't know so much.... if you could provide examples of what you indicated that'd be great

I like the Rake just going for it..... but a lot of his actions seem AFC as it says he supplicates a lot to women... since he'd do anything to get them.... Doesn't too much attention spoil things?

If you have any personal examples you can share for any of these characters that would be great.

We should move onto the charmer soon

You cant be AFC and a rake at the same time. After all a rake is successful with woman where as an AFC is to average to be as daring as the rake and frustrated that he's not getting women.

 

[Reyaj]

You cant be AFC and a rake at the same time. After all a rake is successful with woman where as an AFC is to average to be as daring as the rake and frustrated that he's not getting women.

Very true. I'm going to read the charmer and post my input. THen I'm going to review this thread and post my learnings from the analysis of all the characters.

Great stuff everyone.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

The problem with the Charmer is that it necessitates a guy already having killed his inner AFC and is confident enough to know when to push and pull it. Most women in this era are already used to the behaviors of a Charmer being associated with the Nice Guy, so when you read the biographies describing this seduction type bear in mind they happened long before the sexual revolution.

 

[FoolsCause]

Greene notes that ideal targets for seduction are women who are unhappy, discontented in some way. If you can identify her weak spot, and hit it, seems like the chances are good if you can keep up the facade, though there is the danger of being tagged a Nice Guy if misapplied. Referring to Paris seems to often work. What poor, little girl doesn't smile at the thought of going to Paris? Just don't let her know you haven't the money to take her there.

The Charmer is the Wizard of seduction, casting his concocted spell on the target, the Rake is the Fighter, blood and guts, full contact (kino), the Coquette is the Thief of hearts, giving little but getting much in return. The Charismatic is the Cleric, attracting her devotion with his zealotry for a higher purpose.

 

[Reyaj]

The problem with the Charmer is that it necessitates a guy already having killed his inner AFC and is confident enough to know when to push and pull it. Most women in this era are already used to the behaviors of a Charmer being associated with the Nice Guy, so when you read the biographies describing this seduction type bear in mind they happened long before the sexual revolution.

I agree Rollo. While I'll admit this is probably the character I associate most with and I found this chapter to be one of the best in the book, it seems more suited as a Law of Power rather than that of seduction. The examples of women charming men will always be in effect... but the example Greene gives regarding Disreali and the Queen..... he basically just used this for political advancement and not so much to get her naked.....

Greene notes that ideal targets for seduction are women who are unhappy, discontented in some way. If you can identify her weak spot, and hit it, seems like the chances are good if you can keep up the facade, though there is the danger of being tagged a Nice Guy if misapplied. Referring to Paris seems to often work. What poor, little girl doesn't smile at the thought of going to Paris? Just don't let her know you haven't the money to take her there.

The Charmer is the Wizard of seduction, casting his concocted spell on the target, the Rake is the Fighter, blood and guts, full contact (kino), the Coquette is the Thief of hearts, giving little but getting much in return. The Charismatic is the Cleric, attracting her devotion with his zealotry for a higher purpose.

Good metaphors

I think the important thing to take from this chapter is that of having good energry and being positive. Using flattery in a timely manner. One thing he says that I'm not clear on is

"You should adapt to the victim's moods"

So if he says you should be positive and happy... is he now saying you should be down and depressed if your target is?

If someone can explain the mirroring aspect of this it would be appreciated....

 

[Reyaj]

Bump

 

[Reyaj]

Lets bump this again!

 

[Reyaj]

Ok since no one can answer my questions on this character, lets move onto the next one....

 

[FoolsCause]

I think the important thing to take from this chapter is that of having good energry and being positive. Using flattery in a timely manner. One thing he says that I'm not clear on is

"You should adapt to the victim's moods"

So if he says you should be positive and happy... is he now saying you should be down and depressed if your target is?

If someone can explain the mirroring aspect of this it would be appreciated....

It's been about a year since I read this book, but it seems down and depressed isn't very charming. I don't know the context of that quote "adapt to the victim's moods." Maybe I can review it if I can find the book.

 

[Reyaj]

It's been about a year since I read this book, but it seems down and depressed isn't very charming. I don't know the context of that quote "adapt to the victim's moods." Maybe I can review it if I can find the book.

Thanks Fools. Its appreciated.

 

[Reyaj]

Ok I just read the Charismatic. I feel its similar to the Charmer section in that its geared more toward political seduction or seduction to mass audiences. I am going to post the parts I think can be relevant for seduction of women to be discussed.

The idea of being resolute in your actions and having strong conviction is what's mentioned over and over again in this section.

"Your eyes must glow with the fire of a prophet" I would assume this refers to mystical confidence with of course if the number 1 key to success with women.

Being uninhibited in actions (3 second rule) and not apologizing for your desires as a man (ross jeffries) as displayed by Rasputin all come into play here.

What are all your thoughts? Like with every section, can anyone provide real world examples?

 

[wayword]

This book is a novel and seems to focus on how to handle different female archetypes.

Can anyone sum up his core principles, though? Like general stuff you can apply to any girl? Cuz I don't think I have time to read through that tome (or this uber-thread, for that matter).