Reyaj
Master Don Juan
Great feedback MF. I am going to read this shortly and respond to your post. Approaches have kept me busy!
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
Ok I read this chapter and think it is very applicable to real life seduction even in this present age.Microphone Fiend said:I have not had any attempts at seducing a chick that was a downer, but my guess would be to focus on their outlook/philosophy on life first and their current emotion second. If the women is pessimistic, talk to her in a way that allows her to be pessimistic
Anti SeducerMan this section hit hard for me. A little in the beginning but the stories that followed were really showing flaws that I have been guilty of. Concerning not paying enough attention in the first story, my favorite quote was
Although I think that the hatred is just loosely veiled attraction that can be manipulated (see: All of Sunny D's threads) there is a point where the inattention leads to hatred and you have to put in a little extra in order to get back to where you once were. Plus the residue of the hatred will always be there imo.
In the second story, this one hit me the hardest. For those that read my approach journal they probably recognized my cavemanning and boundary pushing in the club that lead to short term success but tons of flaking. Many of my successes in the club arose from less kino (still kino nonetheless) and more talking/getting to know her. I agree with the statement that "haste degrees not the depth of your feelings but the degree of your self-absorption". I always had my interest at hand when I grope the girls but when we are talking, the only way I know how to do it is to make her the center of attention.
The third story, about hesitation is basic seduction. Strike while the iron is hot. The quote I liked the best was that When you get caught up on your insecurities you can’t focus on the target which is why you, as a person, should not factor into the seduction equation
The fourth story does not really apply to anything I have witnessed/done before so no comment there
The quote in the fifth story I liked the most was
The 6th story was not real interesting/relevant to me.
The overall message I got from each Anti-Seduction story was to keep the focus on the target. Things tend to unravel when you are lost in your thoughts and
TakenDirectly said:I'm currently reading the book and enjoy its views on seduction. I'm barely starting at the Dandy, but I have to disagree with what the Ideal Lover is talking about. The Ideal Lover seems to make a point (really quickly, but it should of emphasized on it) that you have to read carefully on what they want. They explain of a king or duke that while he was able to seduce and be a womanizer what he really wanted was to be recognized on his more noble traits. They keep on going about how so many women would confess or express what they want or desire, but nowadays these words can end you. Women can flat out tell you what they want, but in no way can u tell if that is what they truly desire. U have to read their tone, expressions, words and all that (IN THAT FREAKIN MOMENT) in order to see if they are telling you this honestly or just BSing you. My guess would be that to avoid all that hassle would be to gain their fullest trust and hope that what they tell you is the truth.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Perhaps...TakenDirectly said:I think it's up to how good you are with reading people that will let you decide on how to separate all the BS from the honest stuff a woman tells you. IMO when a woman does tell you some of the things they want and they end up with a guy you feel is the complete opposite then you will notice that the guy actually does have some of those qualities she wants. Of course those qualities never seem to be the things that SHINE in that guy. IMO he's able to show he owns some of those things, but at the same time able to live life normally and not try to make it seem like he has to show those traits off to get a woman. A guy can show a girl he CAN be loyal without having to avoid all other women and basically be on her leash.
TakenDirectly said:I'm reading over the Seduction Process and wonder how it compares to what I've learned here. Basically, I'm getting the impression that you need to become the person's friend and gain a trust/bond in order to penetrate their mind. Still, here we learn that become the "friend" is absolute death. It looks like this book is dedicated to seduce on a longer term. To literally convince this person to feel you are their soulmate and have them want you to the absolute core. IMO the book does have techniques for getting a person quickly, but it would depend on the person and what they want. Then you can indirectly show them that you have and are these things and they will melt right in your hands. I'm trying some of this stuff out and the book definitely brings up good techniques. Possibly the number 1 thing that this book has to teach is to show the person YOU are what they are missing in life. Truth is we all feel incomplete in one way or another and if we are smooth enough to get into this persons skin and see through their eyes then we can give them the illusion of being their one and only.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.